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[MMaRsu]

the 3070 released with an MSRP of 499€ in Europe.

No, this card launched at 649. Never seen a card at MSRP.

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A year later (fully during the pandemic/lockdown) prices rose to 1600 euro's.

The Euro prices are significantly higher because the Euro has taken a nose dive in value vs the dollar over the past few years.

Also tax isnt included in the US prices.

 

[Schmendrick]

The Euro prices are significantly higher because the Euro has taken a nose dive in value vs the dollar over the past few years.

the bigger part of the difference is that the US prices usually don`t include tax whereas the € prices do.

No, this card launched at 649. Never seen a card at MSRP

But this is about the MSRP, period. The crypto boom and the corona pandemic scarcity related price hikes don`t change a thing about the manufacturer`s pricing.

 

[nkarafo]

More nonsense.

I paid 650€ for a 3070 in 2020.

Now the 5070 will be 650€ as well

So where is the crazy part?

The 3070 was a true "70" card (256bit)

The 5070 is really a rebranded "60" card (192bit) at"70" price.

Nvidia is using their software tricks so they can compensate for the loss of performance when they sell lower tier cards for higher tier prices. You are falling for it and use laugh emojis as if you think you are smart.

Yes and Wu Kong is also unoptimized trash.

Uses 11GB on what? Ultra textures? RT max?

LOL, no. I have a 3060 12GB. I can't use max settings or full RT.

It's a mix of high and medium settings. Textures at max and 1080p.

I know I can't max out a card like the 3070, so I always go for a mix of high/medium settings which usually still looks great and performs great.

Why would I go for absolute max settings when it impacts my performance?

You keep babbling about max settings, nobody said anything about max settings except you. You don't need max setting to max out VRAM, just textures and resolution.

Having to use lower quality textures and resolution is bad with a card at such high price tier. And it will happen because of the low VRAM.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I play at 4k on a 3080… I am sure 5080 will manage too.
Glad I am fine with 60fps lol… even 30. O don’t mind

So they are a scam to you so everyone here should feel the same way

 

[MMaRsu]

Having to use lower quality textures and resolution is bad with a card at such high tier.

Compared to what?

The 5070 is the lowest tier so far.

 

[Rudius]

Maybe.
But in the slides they showed it’s the same 35ms as on lower fps.
Better just enable reflex and don’t use fg?

It will just look smoother. Framegen does not help with lag, can make it slightly worse, but with a controller I find it perfectly acceptable.

 

[Buggy Loop]

The 3070 was a true "70" card (256bit)

The 5070 is really a rebranded "60" card (192bit) at"70" price.

Nvidia is using their software tricks so they can compensate for the loss of performance when they sell lower tier cards for higher tier prices. You are falling for it and use laugh emojis as if you think you are smart

Are we comparing GDDR6x bus widths with GDDR7 bus widths now? Dafuq?

All these new cards are pure trash, I mean look compared to the KING of GPUs, the Radeon VII with 4096 bit memory bus

 

[nkarafo]

Compared to what?

The 5070 is the lowest tier so far.

Jesus Christ the low standards of some people. $600 is the lowest tier now.

Are you new to PC gaming or something?

So let me just say that what you get now with the 5070 at $600, you used to get with the 1060 or 3060 at $300/350 a few years ago.

 

[Gubaldo]

If look at farcry6 performance
Which has bad scaling has about 20-25%
Based on that slide ,
So I expect better uplift on other titles

 

[Buggy Loop]

I play at 4k on a 3080… I am sure 5080 will manage too.
Glad I am fine with 60fps lol… even 30. O don’t mind

 

[Zathalus]

Also tax isnt included in the US prices.

the bigger part of the difference is that the US prices usually don`t include tax whereas the € prices do.

Tax is indeed included, but back when the Euro was ~1.2 vs the Dollar, the VAT was offset by the stronger currency. Since the Euro and Dollar are moving towards parity, you get the Euro prices being 20% higher. If the Euro was still at ~1.2 vs the Dollar, the Europe prices would be similar to the Dollar ones. So €550-€570 for the 5070 for example.

 

[MMaRsu]

the bigger part of the difference is that the US prices usually don`t include tax whereas the € prices do.


But this is about the MSRP, period.

Who cares about MSRP when the products never launch for actual MSRP?

 

[Diddy X]

Thanks bro, I'm sweet.

 

[nkarafo]

Are we comparing GDDR6x bus widths with GDDR7 bus widths now? Dafuq?

All these new cards are pure trash, I mean look compared to the KING of GPUs, the Radeon VII with 4096 bit memory bus

Nice try.

The 1060 was GDDR5 19 2bit. The 2060/3060 was GDDR6, both 192 bit. Both 60 tier cards.

It's called evolution of technology. You get something more advanced at the same price later on, this is how it used to work for decades.

 

[MMaRsu]

Jesus Christ the low standards of some people. $600 is the lowest tier now.

Are you new to PC gaming or something?

So let me just say that what you get now with the 5070 at $600, you used to get with the 1060 or 3060 at $300/350 a few years ago.

Im talking about the 50 series. 5070 is the lowest tier at this moment.

Is that not 100% factually correct? I'm not talking about hypothetical cards that could be cheaper.

And that 600 I paid for the 3070, I've had it for more than four years, and it's been worth it's money.

It still outperforms a PS5.

Not sure what all the crying is.

You will get a 5060 for 400.

 

[Buggy Loop]

So they are selling you gimped cards at hardware level and they try to compensate on software level.

NPUs to make AI that fast is hardware

I know you guys aren't tech savvy, ffs for 20 years on this forum I've seen all the derps, but it'll come in time.

 

[Schmendrick]

Who cares about MSRP when the products never launch for actual MSRP?

Is it so hard to grasp that this was about the manufacturer`s price, not what the market does with it afterwards?
the point is xx70 MSRP 499€ => 650€ which makes this:

More nonsense.

I paid 650€ for a 3070 in 2020.

Now the 5070 will be 650€ as well

So where is the crazy part?

absolutely and utterly stupid because you are literally comparing aftermarket scalper prices with msrp pricing......

 

[genesisblock]

My god, this showcase is just as insufferable as that Xbox's "TV TV TV" event. Now it's "AI AI AI, can't do this without AI, see this brick of the GPU, how on earth did we put it in a laptop next to it at half the size... AI, only possible with AI"

and that 5060 == 4090. Is this guy for real?

 

[nkarafo]

Not sure what all the crying is.

The fact that you are paying $600 for only 12GB Vram.

 

[MMaRsu]

Is it so hard to grasp that this was about the base price, not what the amrket does with it afterwards.
the point is
xx70 MSRP 499€ => 650€ which makes this:

absolutely and utterly stupid because you are literally comparing aftermarket scalper prices with msrp pricing......

These arent scalper prices. These are store prices.

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[MMaRsu]

The fact that you are paying $600 for only 12GB Vram.

Having never had an issue with the 8gb ram in the 3070 over the past four years, with everybody crying that 8gb wouldn't be enough

Same shit right now.

8 Gb of Vram is not enough even for 1080p gaming.

I have the Rtx 3070 and Rtx 3060ti both are used for 1080p gaming and as you can see in this video the 8Gb Vram is not enough at all. Even at such a low resolution. Don't even get me started on higher resolutions. 00:00 - Welcome back to Hardware Unboxed 01:25 - Backstory 04:33 - Test System...

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[Schmendrick]

These arent scalper prices. These are store prices.

they are scarcity prices......which could very well happen to the 5070, too...
This is an MSRP comparison. Deal with it, you said some really stupid things.

 

[AtomicStarving]

Good news this fucking thing is dual slot now ffs

 

[MMaRsu]

they are scarcity prices......
This is an MSRP comparison. Deal with it, you said some really stupid things.

The card was released for this price in The Netherlands.

You can call it whatever you want. MSRP isn't interesting if the card never launched for that price anywhere in my country. So why would I care about MSRP?

 

[Schmendrick]

The card was released for this price in The Netherlands.

You can call it whatever you want. MSRP isn't interesting if the card never launched for that price anywhere in my country. So why would I care about MSRP?

MSRP matters in a fucking MSRP comparison? What the market does with the base prices afterwards never was what this was about.
You compare scarcity pricing with MSRP as if that was anything but hilariously stupid.

 

[Rosoboy19]

Are the people proclaiming “Radeon is dead” actually happy about it? Monopolies suck

 

[nkarafo]

NPUs to make AI that fast is hardware

I know you guys aren't tech savvy, ffs for 20 years on this forum I've seen all the derps, but it'll come in time.

Lets see how this fancy AI hardware is going to help when you are Vram starved though.

 

[MMaRsu]

are you too stupid to understand that MSRP matters in a fucking MSRP comparison?

Hey if you want to keep insulting me I don't really want to discuss this with you anymore.

Like I said, the card wasnt ever available for the MSRP. So why in the hell would I compare prices that were actually fictional?

Nobody could buy a card for the MSRP. So why does MSRP even matter?

 

[Skifi28]

Lets see how this fancy AI hardware is going to help when you are Vram starved though.

They probably saved AI generated VRAM for dlss5 when GPUs will still have 8/12/16 gigabytes.

 

[Schmendrick]

Hey if you want to keep insulting me I don't really want to discuss this with you anymore.

Like I said, the card wasnt ever available for the MSRP. So why in the hell would I compare prices that were actually fictional?

you compare scarcity pricing with MSRPs while calling other`s peopls comment`s "nonsense" when they lament the increased MSRP. If you don`t understand this really simple thing then please...stop talking.
Put me on ignore and go eat a banana.

edit: actually i`ll just do that with you and be done here.

 

[MMaRsu]

you compare scarcity pricing with MSRPs while calling other`s peopls comment`s "nonsense" when they lament the increased MSRP. If you don`t understand this really simple thing then please...stop talking.
Put me on ignore and go eat a banana.

Can you answer my fucking question? Then I'll go eat a banana if that makes you happy.

What does MSRP have to do with anything, if the cards never launched for that price ANYWHERE?

 

[Buggy Loop]

Lets see how this fancy AI hardware is going to help when you are Vram starved though.

They've reinvented the whole shading pipeline for neural

You can't even think of brute forcing your way into these 12 layer shaders of cinema quality in any traditional way.

And for textures

• RTX Neural Texture Compression uses AI to compress thousands of textures in less than a minute. Their neural representations are stored or accessed in real time or loaded directly into memory without further modification. The neurally compressed textures save up to 7x more VRAM or system memory than traditional block compressed textures at the same visual quality.

I fear for the competition who is lagging generations behind in ML/AI.

 

[un1que]

What are the Chances of a 5090 playing cyberpunk at 4k 60 with path tracing, max settings? Or will it need all this ai jazz?

 

[nkarafo]

They've reinvented the whole shading pipeline for neural

You can't even think of brute forcing your way into these 12 layer shaders of cinema quality in any traditional way.

And for textures

• RTX Neural Texture Compression uses AI to compress thousands of textures in less than a minute. Their neural representations are stored or accessed in real time or loaded directly into memory without further modification. The neurally compressed textures save up to 7x more VRAM or system memory than traditional block compressed textures at the same visual quality.

I fear for the competition who is lagging generations behind in ML/AI.

So, are you going to buy a 12GB card then? I want to see your posts a year from now.

 

[MMaRsu]

Can anybody explain to me why MSRP is even important when the cards never launch for that price? The clown I was discussing this with earlier didn't want to elaborate on this and I don't understand his anger or frustration.

Honest question.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

Can anybody explain to me why MSRP is even important when the cards never launch for that price? The clown I was discussing this with earlier didn't want to elaborate on this and I don't understand his anger or frustration.

If you are lucky you might be able to get the FE at that price.

 

[MMaRsu]

If you are lucky you might be able to get the FE at that price.

Not planning to buy one at launch really, my 3070 is still doing me well, I gotta save up a bit of cash to spend it on a total pc upgrade. My Zen4 mobo doesnt have PCIE 4.0 support so the card won't work on it.

Got a 5700x which I would hope would be a good pairing for this GPU (5070) but I'll have to do more research when it comes out.

I just don't understand comparing MSRP's, when the cards never actually launched for that price (at least in my country).

 

[funking giblet]

So the 5090 looks about 20% faster than a 4090. Ok.

 

[Buggy Loop]

So, are you going to buy a 12GB card then? I want to see your posts a year from now.

I already have a 12GB card

If I upgrade its 5080

I want to see AMD posts in a couple of years from now where they're completely kneecapped by AI advancements

 

[asdasdasdbb]

PCIe is backwards compatible but it will run at the lower speed.

 

[Makoto-Yuki]

fuck it. i've decided i'll get a 5090...... if i can actually buy one.

PCIe is backwards compatible but it will run at the lower speed.

i don't think PCIe really matters. do cards even make full use of 4.0 yet? i know there were negligible differences between 3.0 and 4.0.

i have a 5.0 board so i'm good. if you have 4.0 you will be fine. 3.0 not so much i think.

 

[MadchesterManc]

I guess 'the more you buy, the more you save' kind of rings true as I still see no reason to move on from my 3090. The 5090/4090 slides packed with huge gains from the new MFG, unsurprisingly locked to the latest cards because of Nvidia secret sauce, so doesn't seem much of an improvement for a couple of grand to me. I suppose 5080 for the price could be an option depending on VRAM etc

No surprise seeing Nvidia trying 5070 is as fast as a 4090, they tried the same last gen with FG on the 4070 Vs 3090 and it probably worked with some

 

[scydrex]

The 3070 was a true "70" card (256bit)

The 5070 is really a rebranded "60" card (192bit) at"70" price.

Nvidia is using their software tricks so they can compensate for the loss of performance when they sell lower tier cards for higher tier prices. You are falling for it and use laugh emojis as if you think you are smart.



LOL, no. I have a 3060 12GB. I can't use max settings or full RT.

It's a mix of high and medium settings. Textures at max and 1080p.



You keep babbling about max settings, nobody said anything about max settings except you. You don't need max setting to max out VRAM, just textures and resolution.

Having to use lower quality textures and resolution is bad with a card at such high price tier. And it will happen because of the low VRAM.

This is so true. A 70 card with a 192bit memory and 12gb in 2025. That GPU should have been the 60 for $300-350. At first I was a 70 for $550? Nice but then saw the specs and the 12gb 192bit. No thanks Nvidia.

 

[MMaRsu]

I thought 4000+ series cards couldnt run on anything lower than PCIE 4.0...

I guess I was wrong?

Still planning to upgrade the mobo first, cause I'll need new ram as well. That + a new 5070 will run me about around a thousands euro's.

 

[CliffBronger]

My god, this showcase is just as insufferable as that Xbox's "TV TV TV" event. Now it's "AI AI AI, can't do this without AI, see this brick of the GPU, how on earth did we put it in a laptop next to it at half the size... AI, only possible with AI"

and that 5060 == 4090. Is this guy for real?

Agreed, it was absolutely terrible.

Ai this Ai that i was thinking just shut the fck up and show us the raster performance of the 5070 to 5090 like you always do, but nevertheless we are still waiting.

 

[Makoto-Yuki]

AI does get thrown around a lot but i doubt we'd see this kind of gains if focused on raster. I actually don't mind "fake" frames or DLSS. looks just as good as native to me

 

[Makoto-Yuki]

I thought 4000+ series cards couldnt run on anything lower than PCIE 4.0...

I guess I was wrong?

Still planning to upgrade the mobo first, cause I'll need new ram as well. That + a new 5070 will run me about around a thousands euro's.

of course they can run on 3.0 but you'll be limited to 3.0 speeds. it's backwards compatible.

if you stick a 5090 in a board with PCIE 4.0 it'll work. i don't know if a 5090 will saturate the full 4.0 bandwidth but IF it did then likely it'd be a few % loss. we're not anywhere near PCIE 6 yet so 5 is still "new" and it'd be stupid of Nvidia to max out 4.

when nvidia first released 4.0 cards it didn't make much of a difference. it just supports it. doesn't mean it needs it.

 

[Kilau]

Can anybody explain to me why MSRP is even important when the cards never launch for that price? The clown I was discussing this with earlier didn't want to elaborate on this and I don't understand his anger or frustration.

Honest question.

It matters because that's the starting point for the vendors, yes only the few FE cards Nvidia sells will actually be that price at launch time.

 

[nkarafo]

I already have a 12GB card

If I upgrade its 5080

Oh so you won't be able to see how you are wrong then.

Too bad for the other suckers who will wonder why the textures on their brand new $600 card look so crappy.

 

[Big Al]

Oh that PC slave race and being ripped off.

I'm McLovin it.

Paying that much money and native 4K is still decades away