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Rumble Roses developer comments on X360 and PS3

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Kleegamefan

K. LEE GAIDEN
http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200509/N05.0916.2039.01789.htm

GI: What has it been like to work with the Xbox 360?

Uchida: It really feels like technology has advanced. My programmers are very excited to experiment with this new technology. I really think this machine has set new standards for graphics.

GI: Have you had a chance to mess around with the PlayStation 3 yet?

Uchida: Yes, it’s amazing. And just because I am working on the Xbox 360, doesn’t mean I will never work on the PS3. I have not converted. Its not like the PS3 is an enemy.

GI: What do you think you could pull off on one system that you could not on another?

Uchida: I think there are some things you can do with the PS3 than you cannot with the 360. The processing speed is much quicker. The rendering variation that the PS3 offers is wider. But the online of the 360 is amazing and is probably better than the PS3.
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So there *may* be some advanced stuff that in a few years time *may* start to show a difference between PS3 and 360.

Besides. Now one is doubting that at the end of the day the PS3 is more powerful. It's just that 360 is powerful enough.

Give me much better online anyday.
 
GI: What has it been like to work with the Xbox 360?

Uchida: It really feels like technology has advanced. My programmers are very excited to experiment with this new technology. I really think this machine has set new standards for graphics.

GI: Have you had a chance to mess around with the PlayStation 3 yet?

Uchida: Yes, it’s amazing. And just because I am working on the Xbox 360, doesn’t mean I will never work on the PS3. I have not converted. Its not like the PS3 is an enemy.

GI: What do you think you could pull off on one system that you could not on another?

Uchida: I think there are some things you can do with the PS3 than you cannot with the 360. The processing speed is much quicker. The rendering variation that the PS3 offers is wider. But the online of the 360 is amazing and is probably better than the PS3.
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Yet another developer confirming that PS3 is considerably more powerful. I wonder what the damage control will be for this one...
 
cyberheater said:
So there *may* be some advanced stuff that in a few years time *may* start to show a difference between PS3 and 360.
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Or..

"there are some things you can do with the PS3 than you cannot with the 360. The processing speed is much quicker. The rendering variation that the PS3 offers is wider."

;)

He doesn't refer to how quickly he thinks differences will manifest themselves. Some things could make it happen very quickly, some things could make it take longer.
 
gofreak said:
Or..

"there are some things you can do with the PS3 than you cannot with the 360. The processing speed is much quicker. The rendering variation that the PS3 offers is wider."

;)

He doesn't refer to how quickly he thinks differences will manifest themselves. Some things could make it happen very quickly, some things could make it take longer.
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No one is doubting the huge potential of PS3. Very few games this gen got close to maxing out the potential of PS2 and I doubt any game will truly max out PS3.

I'd love to see it though.
 
cyberheater said:
So there *may* be some advanced stuff that in a few years time *may* start to show a difference between PS3 and 360.

Besides. Now one is doubting that at the end of the day the PS3 is more powerful. It's just that 360 is powerful enough.

Give me much better online anyday.
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Could you misquote the interview any worse? Where does he say "may"? Where does he say that the hardware diffrences will start showing in a few years? And btw the differences between PS3 and 360 have already shown.
 
I'd disagree. There's a definite gap between best and worst on PS2, but the average improved significantly over its lifetime. I'd say PS2 has been pretty well tapped at this stage. And that was with "horrible" tools and a "horrible" dev environment. PS3 is an improvement from that perspective, and I think it certainly will be fully tapped in its lifetime, at least as much as PS2 was. And it shares the trait of a crapload of very flexible power, which I think will give it legs in the same way that, arguably, PS2 had.
 
The flexibility of the X360's processing is the last element which should be questioned with its ability to change the workload balance between fragment and vertex tasks, its CPU and GPU interconnection, its three more general purpose CPU cores, and the more general purpose processing it can do on its GPU.
 
The PS3 is more powerful, and everyone with a head knows this much. Just like everyone with a head knows that MS has a better online presence. This is not rocket science, folks.
 
fortified_concept said:
Yet another developer confirming that PS3 is considerably more powerful. I wonder what the damage control will be for this one...
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Where do you get that he considered it "considerably more powerful"?
 
fortified_concept said:
btw the difference between PS3 and 360 is already shown.
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Total cock. I can't be the only one getting sick of the 360 devkit screenshot vs PS3 devkit screenshot debate.
Only when there is final 360/PS3 hardware and final pressed games will we be able to truely compare. The rest is pure supposition.
 
shpankey said:
Where do you get that he considered it "considerably more powerful"?
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Indeed.

All the logic in this thread sucks. Please refrain from using any of said logic and proceed to throw some more troll logs on the fire, ie. fortified_concept's original post.

It'll make things far more entertaining.
 
shpankey said:
Where do you get that he considered it "considerably more powerful"?
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There:

I think there are some things you can do with the PS3 than you cannot with the 360. The processing speed is much quicker. The rendering variation that the PS3 offers is wider. But the online of the 360 is amazing and is probably better than the PS3.
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RENDERING VARIATIONS!!!! doesnt this fucking mean how you can make the damn machine do things? it has nothing to do with more power. just means you might be able to work the machine differently am i right? i swear this place gets dumber by the minute.
 
cyberheater said:
Total cock. I can't be the only one getting sick of the 360 devkit screenshot vs PS3 devkit screenshot debate.
Only when there is final 360/PS3 hardware and final pressed games will we be able to truely compare. The rest is pure supposition.
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Yeah name calling will help the argument. Congrats. Fact is you misquoted the interview. And if the PS3-360 comparison sickens you, what sickens me the most is fans who try to downplay the difference between the two consoles. It's a tough world for both of us.
 
Lazy8s said:
The flexibility of the X360's processing is the last element which should be questioned
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Who's questioning it?

If you're asking though, I think PS3 does have more. But that's probably not news to anyone.

As for how much of a difference he sees, there's enough there for him to think he can do some things with PS3 that he can't with 360. That, imo, is suggests it isn't a trivial difference that he sees.
 
gofreak said:
I'd disagree.
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Of course you would.

My point is that it's gonna take quite a while for both consoles to even get close to it's max potential and maybe there never be a game that gets there.
 
Considering the PS3's vertex/pixel balance is fixed and can't MEMEXPORT, it's potential for rendering variation doesn't seem wider.
 
Lazy8s said:
Considering the PS3's vertex/pixel balance is fixed and can't MEMEXPORT, it's potential for rendering variation doesn't seem wider.
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And if you look at the system as a whole?

My point about flexible power was looking at the system, at least. Cell has a lot to do with that.
 
Lazy8s said:
Considering the PS3's vertex/pixel balance is fixed and can't MEMEXPORT, it's potential for rendering variation doesn't seem wider.
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I would not worry Lazy8's, the Xbox 360 is far faster at word processing
 
gofreak said:
And if you look at the system as a whole?

My point about flexible power was looking at the system, at least. Cell has a lot to do with that.
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No one is doubting the raw potential of cell gofreak. I'm personally really looking forward to see it flex it's muscle. Just like MGS inspired Splinter Cell, i'm sure there will be lots of games for both 360 and PS3 that will inspire devs from both camps.

And at the end of the day there is always a more efficient way to code a function or fine tune a routine.

The Dev team with the best programmers and the most talent will win this war. Not the hardware.
 
cyberheater said:
The Dev team with the best programmers and the most talent will win this war. Not the hardware.
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Agreed, but all else being equal, better hardware is..better. It's only a tool, but the best tool in the best developers' hands is the ideal.
 
Lunar Aura said:
this gen says otherwise.
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No it doesn't. It just shows that if you don't have the proper developer support power doesn't mean a thing. But this time a developer with the strongest console also has the strongest developer support. It's going to work together great.
 
gofreak said:
I'd disagree. There's a definite gap between best and worst on PS2, but the average improved significantly over its lifetime. I'd say PS2 has been pretty well tapped at this stage. And that was with "horrible" tools and a "horrible" dev environment. PS3 is an improvement from that perspective, and I think it certainly will be fully tapped in its lifetime, at least as much as PS2 was. And it shares the trait of a crapload of very flexible power, which I think will give it legs in the same way that, arguably, PS2 had.
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Seeing stuff like Shadow of the Colossus and FFXII coming out at the end of the PS2 lifespan and turning out just beautiful makes me sad that the Xbox was not allowed to reach it's peak. I would have loved to see what they could have pulled out of the xbox with more time like other console developers do. To much PC mentality with forget about what we got and the power still untapped in it let's just jump right away on the next thing as quick as possible.
 
Lunar Aura said:
this gen says otherwise.
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This gen, the system with the biggest volume of great developers (PS2) wasn't the most powerful (XBOX) so I don't know what you are talking about....


Next gen, PS3 will have most of the advantages of PS2 *AND* it will be the most powerful console.....in fact, this will be the first time a Sony console is the most powerful....
 
SolidSnakex said:
No it doesn't. It just shows that if you don't have the proper developer support power doesn't mean a thing. But this time a developer with the strongest console also has the strongest developer support. It's going to work together great.
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exactly. better hardware isnt better if it never gets pushed. only time will tell if the ps3 sees its full potential.
 
Kleegamefan said:
This gen, the system with the biggest volume of great developers (PS2) wasn't the most powerful (XBOX) so I don't know what you are talking about....


Next gen, PS3 will have most of the advantages of PS2 *AND* it will be the most powerful console.....in fact, this will be the first time a Sony console is the most powerful....
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Hold your horses there.. we haven't heard Revs revised specs yet. ;)
 
Lunar Aura said:
exactly. better hardware isnt better if it never gets pushed. only time will tell if the ps3 sees its full potential.
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Given the complexities of both next gen systems and the lenght of modern development cycles it's a good bet the both systems will never reach their full potential before another hardware gen arrives.

If that's the case then the performance war between PS3 and 360 is moot.
 
You guys do realize how rediculous you sound bitching over system wars? Perhaps you should find something more constructive to do with your time, eh?
 
fortified_concept said:
There:
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It's not there. You're reaching. If he meant considerably more powerful, that's what he would have said. How about you do us all a favor and stop reading into things.
 
I'm so bloody over this. Can't we wait until some games are actually finished before we start having this conversation... again?
 
PhatSaqs said:
Please let this thread be the nail in the coffin for this argument.
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Yup. Sounds like the people who keep on pushing the PS3 potential power are scared X360 will get too large of a foothold on the market by launching early. :D
 
PhatSaqs said:
Please let this thread be the nail in the coffin for this argument.
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:lol I know you know better; posters like fortified_concept will always stoke the fires with their rhetoric and hyperbole.
 
Even i think the Xbot damage control here is OTT

"Give me much better online anyday." :lol

I encouraged it when it was people like Jaffe saying PS3 is better because lets face it, I dont care how honest people say he is, he'd say PS3 was faster if they gave him an Ataris instead of Dev kits as a joke.


But the mounting evidence from people who do actually want to work on both suggests he is infact right, anyone reading all these interviews can see that.

PS3 > 360

Will we see the extra power in the majority of games? No one knows, pointless arguing about it, doesnt change the fact the PS3 is the faster piece of kit

So once again for clarity

PS3 > 360

All bow down.



I SAID BOW!




Doesnt change the fact that right now id rather have a 360.
 
shpankey said:
:lol I know you know better; posters like fortified_concept will always stoke the fires with their rhetoric and hyperbole.
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I like the way you used that post so that you seem like the shining light of unbiased opinion.

Anyway I'm not the one damage controling the interview with everything I've got.
 
PhatSaqs said:
Please let this thread be the nail in the coffin for this argument.
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Oh, Phatsaqs.

[/dumirox]

Seriously, you better put your seatbelt on cause it's only gonna get worse from here on out. I haven't seen the sonyers this riled up in years even here on the GAF. They are definitely feeling the X360 heat. Just thank God we still have an "ignore" function :)
 
You folks are losing sight of the important thing here.

Rumble Roses XX is not the sequel to Rumble Roses, and the true sequel to Rumble Roses on the PS3 will blow your socks off, make you cream your jeans, and generally make the world a better place.

It sounds like Akari Uchida and company are really determined to make this series exceptional!

If that's not important, then nothing is! :P

Rumble Roses PS3 for great victory! WOOF!
 
cyberheater said:
Given the complexities of both next gen systems and the lenght of modern development cycles it's a good bet the both systems will never reach their full potential before another hardware gen arrives.

If that's the case then the performance war between PS3 and 360 is moot.
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and the fact that the power gap between ps3 and 360 is way smaller than the gap between xbox and ps2. way smaller.
 
Last gen Xbox fans=There is no power greater than X

Next gen Xbox fans=its all about the games


Last gen PS fans=its all about the games

Next gen PS fans=power, power, power
 
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