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[rofif]

Games are not going to be designed around series s.

They're going to be cut down to work on series s.

Also, you want native 4k60 or even 120, you gotta go PC. PC also has much faster cpus already so not sure what your point with ue5 is.

Fundamentally games have to be DESIGNED to work on lowest common denominator.
Then other more powerful hardware will just run it faster and at higher resolution.
So that 100tf gpu will run xbox series s games at 4k120 and with few added effects

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Fundamentally games have to be DESIGNED to work on lowest common denominator.
Then other more powerful hardware will just run it faster and at higher resolution.
So that 100tf gpu will run xbox series s games at 4k120 and with few added effects

Very true. Console CPUs are limiting gaming big time.

 

[StateofMajora]

Fundamentally games have to be DESIGNED to work on lowest common denominator.
Then other more powerful hardware will just run it faster and at higher resolution.
So that 100tf gpu will run xbox series s games at 4k120 and with few added effects

They're not being made for Series S first. Series s is already getting sidelined.

This is totally different than the PS2 generation.

 

[winjer]

Devs won't target the Series S. They will target the PS5 and the Series X.
Then they'll just lower graphics and resolution until it kinda runs well enough on the Series S, and call it a day.

 

[rofif]

They're not being made for Series S first. Series s is already getting sidelined.

This is totally different than the PS2 generation.

Hopefully.
winjer yeah - ps5/xsx are the target.
Scalability to new graphics cards will be just natural

 

[winjer]

Hopefully.
winjer yeah - ps5/xsx are the target.
Scalability to new graphics cards will be just natural

Between the PS5 and Series S, they'll probably sell around 200 million units. And they are very close in power, that it's just a matter of adjusting resolution a bit.
The series S, maybe can sell 20 millions by itself. No dev in his/her right frame of mind will target the least sold console.

On PC it will be as usual. The same game as consoles, but with higher frame rates, higher resolution for shadows, ray-tracing, fog volumes, textures, etc.
Maybe if it's a game sponsored by nvidia, AMD or Intel, it might use some extra effects or tech.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

They're not being made for Series S first. Series s is already getting sidelined.

This is totally different than the PS2 generation.

Given that the S is outselling the X, that doesn't seem like a smart idea by devs. Sure, they will cut the resolution and the fps down to 30. But you can only cut so far.

 

[rofif]

Between the PS5 and Series S, they'll probably sell around 200 million units. And they are very close in power, that it's just a matter of adjusting resolution a bit.
The series S, maybe can sell 20 millions by itself. No dev in his/her right frame of mind will target the least sold console.

On PC it will be as usual. The same game as consoles, but with higher frame rates, higher resolution for shadows, ray-tracing, fog volumes, textures, etc.
Maybe if it's a game sponsored by nvidia, AMD or Intel, it might use some extra effects or tech.

The gap between consoles and pc is closing.
It really is down to resolution and framerate + extra ray tracing features.
Even during last ps4 gen, Textures quality and many features are exactly the same on pc.
This gen, the consoles started really strong compared to last time. SSD, direct IO, real CPUs and so on.
I expect pc ports to be exactly the same as console versions. Just res/fps/ray tracing high/ultra quality.
And the cutting on consoles is starting to be much easier thanks to image reconstruction. They will internally render 720p on series S if they have to

 

[StateofMajora]

Given that the S is outselling the X, that doesn't seem like a smart idea by devs. Sure, they will cut the resolution and the fps down to 30. But you can only cut so far.

Developers don't want their vision constrained to that device. They would rather (and have already done so) run their games at 540p and 720p than to gimp xsx/ps5 versions.

Thing is, people who are buying series S are far less likely to care what their frame rate/graphics are.

 

[Polygonal_Sprite]

Games on PC are not meant to be just played at 1080p or lower, with low-medium graphics settings, no RT, at 30 fps.
Imagine real 4K, 120-360 fps, RT at high settings, and higher quality settings all around.

Lol obviously not but 100tf seems so much overkill even for current gen only games at 4k/Ultra/120fps.

 

[InverseAgonist]

Lol obviously not but 100tf seems so much overkill even for current gen only games at 4k/Ultra/120fps.

Ultimately the goal of scaling performance isn't just to scale basic assets upwards, but to design from the beginning of the pipeline assets and shaders and lighting solutions which push the performance envelope these new parts allow.

 

[prinz_valium]

Not like you’re getting a 3080 for $500 today

So no progress in terms of performance per $ is made. Why should anyone buy new hardware in that case?

 

[Bernd Lauert]

So no progress in terms of performance per $ is made. Why should anyone buy new hardware in that case?

bigger number good

 

[The Cockatrice]

I mean, I would jump from 2080 to 4070 but...what exactly would I play on it? There's no big games on the horizon for at least 2 years on PC that I would need such a beast especially now with DLSS/FSR 2.0

 

[Barakov]

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 will be the next-generation high-end gaming graphics card, offering the latest graphics architecture based on Ada Lovelace GPUs. The graphics card will be replacing the RTX 3070, a very popular gaming graphics card in the $500-$600 US segment.

RTX 4070 series graphics cards will be designed around the $500 US segment which is a high-end price range that still offers lots of performance at hand. It's simple, the RTX 4090 series will be aimed at users who want the best of the best without worrying about the amount of money they are spending while the RTX 4080 series is aimed at users who want the best gaming performance at the best possible price. The RTX 4070 will be the sweet spot for high-end gaming, offering a buttery smooth 2K game experience.

The previous GeForce RTX 3070 was touted to offer a huge improvement over the RTX 2070 and was said to offer performance faster than the RTX 2080 Ti but ended up mostly on par with the Turing flagship with only the RTX 3070 Ti exceeding the performance of the previous Turing GPU flagship. It looks like the RTX 4070 will be placed in a similar position where it might offer graphics performance on par or close to the RTX 3080 Ti but a 'Ti' variant going further ahead in graphics performance.

NVIDIA's AD104 'Ada Lovelace' GPU - The Next-Gen Powerhouse​

Starting with the GPU configuration, the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 series graphics cards are said to utilize the AD104 GPU core. The GPU is said to measure around 300mm2 and will utilize the TSMC 4N process node which is an optimized version of TSMC's 5nm (N5) node designed for the green team.

The NVIDIA Ada Lovelace AD104 GPU is expected to feature up to 5 GPC (Graphics Processing Clusters). This is the one less GPC than the GA104 GPU. Each GPU will consist of 6 TPCs and 2 SMs which is the same configuration as the existing chip. Each SM (Streaming Multiprocessor) will house four sub-cores which is also the same as the GA102 GPU. What's changed is the FP32 & the INT32 core configuration. Each sub-core will include 128 FP32 units but combined FP32+INT32 units will go up to 192. This is because the FP32 units don't share the same sub-core as the IN32 units. The 128 FP32 cores are separate from the 64 INT32 cores.

So in total, each sub-core will consist of 32 FP32 plus 16 INT32 units for a total of 48 units. Each SM will have a total of 128 FP32 units plus 64 INT32 units for a total of 192 units. And since there are a total of 60 SM units (12 per GPC), we are looking at 7,680 FP32 Units and 3,840 INT32 units for a total of 11,520 cores. Each SM will also include two Wrap Schedules (32 thread/CLK) for 64 wraps per SM. This is a 50% increase on the cores (FP32+INT32) and a 33% increase in Wraps/Threads vs the GA102 GPU.

NVIDIA AD103 'Ada Lovelace' Gaming GPU 'SM' Block Diagram (Image Credits: Kopite7kimi):

• 5 GPCs vs 6 GPCs on GA104
• +25% Cores vs GA104 GPU
• 50% More L1 Cache (Versus Ampere GA104)
• Twice More L2 Cache (Versus Ampere GA104)
• +66% ROPs (Versus Ampere GA104)
• 4th Gen Tensor & 3rd Gen RT Cores
  
  
  

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Series Preliminary Specs:​

Graphics Card Name	NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti	NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070	NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti	NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070
GPU Name	AD104-400?	AD104-300?	Ampere GA104-400	Ampere GA104-300
Process Node	TSMC 4N	TSMC 4N	Samsung 8nm	Samsung 8nm
Die Size	~300mm2	~300mm2	395.2mm2	395.2mm2
Transistors	TBD	TBD	17.4 Billion	17.4 Billion
CUDA Cores	~7680	~7040	6144	5888
TMUs / ROPs	TBD / 160	TBD / 144	192/ 96	184 / 96
Tensor / RT Cores	TBD / TBD	TBD / TBD	192/ 48	184 / 46
Base Clock	TBD	TBD	1575 MHz	1500 MHz
Boost Clock	TBD	TBD	1770 MHz	1730 MHz
FP32 Compute	~38 TFLOPs	~36 TFLOPs	22 TFLOPs	20 TFLOPs
RT TFLOPs	TBD	TBD	42 TFLOPs	40 TFLOPs
Tensor-TOPs	TBD	TBD	174 TOPs	163 TOPs
Memory Capacity	12 GB GDDR6X?	12 GB GDDR6	8 GB GDDR6X	8 GB GDDR6
Memory Bus	192-bit	192-bit	256-bit	256-bit
Memory Speed	21 Gbps	18 Gbps	19 Gbps	14 Gbps
Bandwidth	504 GB/s	432 GB/s	608 Gbps	448 Gbps
TGP	~330W	~300W	290W	220W
Price (MSRP / FE)	$599 US?	$499 US?	$599 US	$499 US
Launch (Availability)	2022	2022	10th June 2021	29th October 2020

Just for comparison's sake:

• NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Ti: ~103 TFLOPs (FP32) (Assuming 2.8 GHz clock)
• NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090: ~90 TFLOPs (FP32) (Assuming 2.8 GHz clock)
• NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080: ~50 TFLOPs (FP32) (Assuming 2.5 GHz clock)
• NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti: 40 TFLOPs (FP32) (1.86 GHz Boost clock)
• NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti: ~38 TFLOPs (FP32) (Assuming 2.5 GHz clock)
• NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070: ~36 TFLOPs (FP32) (Assuming 2.5 GHz clock)
• NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090: 36 TFLOPs (FP32) (1.69 GHz Boost clock)
• NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080: 30 TFLOPs (FP32) (1.71 GHz Boost clock)
• NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti: 22 TFLOPs (FP32) (1.77 GHz Boost clock)
• NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070: 20 TFLOPs (FP32) (1.72 GHz Boost clock)

Full article:https://wccftech.com/roundup/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070/

 

[elliot5]

So no progress in terms of performance per $ is made. Why should anyone buy new hardware in that case?

if a 3080 is $899 retail and a 4070 is comparable at $499 why wouldnt you buy a 4070? lol

 

[Insane Metal]

That looks delicious.

Honestly it'd take a miracle for AMD to be able to compete with Lovelace.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I dont follow GPU pricing, but like everyone knows about all the scalping and low stock of 3000-class gpus.

I wonder if Nvidia will price the cards at a reasonable RSP like always and let scalpers and consumers battler it out for stock and ebay pricing. Or if Nvidia will get on the train and say fuck it, costs are hiked up a lot to stores and RSP is set at double what it should normally be.

You never know.

When it comes to new home and condo developments, builders jack up the prices big time the past 10 years because they know everyone is making too much money flipping it. So they got in on the game and literally tripled what a new home build costs vs way back.

If Jenson Wang (whatever the hell his name is) wants to perk up Nvidia profits, just zoom up the 4000 series prices.

(Edit: I didn't bother reading the OP and it looks like price is set. Given the drama last bunch of years, Nvidia leaving a lot of profits on the table. They could probably sell them for $1000 and it's be a sell out.)

 

[blastprocessor]

I'm still on a GTX 1060. Good enough for Vampire Survivors

Still a cracking GPU want a 4060 as a replacement.

 

[Orta]

Was going to get a 3070 to replace my trusty old 1070 but covid/prices saw to that.

A 4070 would be a hell of an upgrade methinks.

 

[Boss Mog]

Close to a 3080 only?
This better be a $350 card, or DOA

$3080 was $699 2 years ago.
Now I get less for $500?

Rumors put it around a 3080 Ti or 3090 performance-wise.

 

[Imp the Dimp]

I dont follow GPU pricing, but like everyone knows about all the scalping and low stock of 3000-class gpus.

I wonder if Nvidia will price the cards at a reasonable RSP like always and let scalpers and consumers battler it out for stock and ebay pricing. Or if Nvidia will get on the train and say fuck it, costs are hiked up a lot to stores and RSP is set at double what it should normally be.

If you dislike scalpers you better hope Nvidia increases the MSRP. In hindsight, the RTX 3xxx pricing was too low which led to scalping.

 

[Bojji]

They're not being made for Series S first. Series s is already getting sidelined.

This is totally different than the PS2 generation.

Games are made for Xbox One. But after cross gen they will be made for Series S.

Devs won't target the Series S. They will target the PS5 and the Series X.
Then they'll just lower graphics and resolution until it kinda runs well enough on the Series S, and call it a day.

That's not how game development works. Games will be made with Series S RAM pool in mind, they can't scale anything related to gameplay within that, only internal resolution and texture resolution. Series S version could be shit in the end but this should not fool people that it wasn't the target platform.

-10 GB of RAM is the target for devs once cross gen ends. With 7.5GB (or 8?) usable it's just ~50% (or slightly more) than what they had since 2013.
- CPU is the same so no problem here
- GPU is only part that really scales so no problem here (even in 720p LOL)

 

[Black_Stride]

If you dislike scalpers you better hope Nvidia increases the MSRP. In hindsight, the RTX 3xxx pricing was too low which led to scalping.

Scalping was due to shortages and a bunch of people buying for the crypto boom.
Without both of those scalping will be much less prevalent.
Theres no reason to buy on ebay if stores have stock.
$500 for a xx70 is already high in my opinion considering reference 1070s could be had for ~350....even the big Strix cards were still around 450.
Today with overclocking being pretty much useless reference cards with a decent cooler is your best bet, you gain very little going for an Aorus Master, Suprim X or Strix card.

 

[Imp the Dimp]

Scalping was due to shortages and a bunch of people buying for the crypto boom.
Without both of those scalping will be much less prevalent.
Theres no reason to buy on ebay if stores have stock.

Yes but my post logically follows from this. You are correctly stating that the industry is struggling with a shortage and very high demand (due to crypto, but also probably increased demand due higher indoor activities during COVID). Given a constrained supply, you have to increase the price such that supply equals demand, else actors in the market will will create the equlibrium themselves by buying underpriced stock and selling it at its actual market value. Currently, the prices are deflating but they're still above MSRP by $100-300 if my cursory search was reliable. Nvidia's pricing will depend a lot on the trajectory of the market prices. If they keep falling, they might not charge more than for the 3xxx series. The 3xxx was definitely underpriced for the 2020-2022 period, that is undeniable.

 

[winjer]

Lol obviously not but 100tf seems so much overkill even for current gen only games at 4k/Ultra/120fps.

A few things to consider.
100TFLOps is a rumor.
Even if it's true, it's only for the biggest die. And even then, only for the chips that used the full die.
Remember that Ampere ditched the Int units in it's SM. If Ada Lovelace is similar, then these 100 TFLOPs will be the equivalent to 60-65 TFLOPs from Turing or RDNA.

That's not how game development works. Games will be made with Series S RAM pool in mind, they can't scale anything related to gameplay within that, only internal resolution and texture resolution. Series S version could be shit in the end but this should not fool people that it wasn't the target platform.

-10 GB of RAM is the target for devs once cross gen ends. With 7.5GB (or 8?) usable it's just ~50% (or slightly more) than what they had since 2013.
- CPU is the same so no problem here
- GPU is only part that really scales so no problem here (even in 720p LOL)

LOL, mate all they have to do is lower texture resolution, tweak Mipmap lod bias, reduce draw distance and be done with it. That will save all the memory they need.
No point in making a game for the weaker console, with the smaller install base.

Here is an example, from Unreal Engine, on how mip level affect memory usage.

 

[BigBooper]

Yes but my post logically follows from this. You are correctly stating that the industry is struggling with a shortage and very high demand (due to crypto, but also probably increased demand due higher indoor activities during COVID). Given a constrained supply, you have to increase the price such that supply equals demand, else actors in the market will will create the equlibrium themselves by buying underpriced stock and selling it at its actual market value. Currently, the prices are deflating but they're still above MSRP by $100-300 if my cursory search was reliable. Nvidia's pricing will depend a lot on the trajectory of the market prices. If they keep falling, they might not charge more than for the 3xxx series. The 3xxx was definitely underpriced for the 2020-2022 period, that is undeniable.

The people buying it at those prices mostly thought it would still be worth the high price because of mining. If mining wasn't a thing, the average scalper price wouldn't have been nearly as high.

 

[Imp the Dimp]

The people buying it at those prices mostly thought it would still be worth the high price because of mining. If mining wasn't a thing, the average scalper price wouldn't have been nearly as high.

Sure, I didn't contest that. There are reasons for the high demand. The fact of the matter is if supply is constrained and demand too high, you raise the price or someone else will do it for you.

 

[Bojji]

LOL, mate all they have to do is lower texture resolution, tweak Mipmap lod bias, reduce draw distance and be done with it. That will save all the memory they need.
No point in making a game for the weaker console, with the smaller install base.

Have you seen any gen where games were made for more powerful console first? Only some Xbox games were made for this console first and then gutted in PS2 version (like Splinter Cell) but more than 90% of multiplatform games had PS2 as a target but this was the last console gen where consoles had massive memory differences. Since then main consoles were on par in memory amount, Series S fuck things up...

And XSS will likely have higher install base than XSX.

 

[Black_Stride]

The people buying it at those prices mostly thought it would still be worth the high price because of mining. If mining wasn't a thing, the average scalper price wouldn't have been nearly as high.

Exactly people were expecting the prices to stay high because the crypto bubble wasnt going to burst.
But right now no one needs/wants GPUs for mining even with LHRv2 having been cracked, it would take forever to get ROI.
So unless Ada has like double the mining performance of Ampere im pretty sure demand will be much much lower for Ada than for Ampere.
Also considering a bunch of people now have 30xx GPUs for their work from home computers me thinks Ada wont have Ampere levels of demand.


P.S LHRv4 should be included in the Ada drivers.....so cracking LHR will start from scratch.

 

[winjer]

Have you seen any gen where games were made for more powerful console first? Only some Xbox games were made for this console first and then gutted in PS2 version (like Splinter Cell) but more than 90% of multiplatform games had PS2 as a target but this was the last console gen where consoles had massive memory differences. Since then main consoles were on par in memory amount, Series S fuck things up...

And XSS will likely have higher install base than XSX.

Most games are still crossgen, and made for the previous gen. But they are not made for the Series S.
Soon we'll see most devs developing only or the current gen, and then the target becomes the PS5 and Series X.
For the Series S, dev's will just lower resolution for screen, shadows, textures and other effects, until it runs well enough.

 

[Airbus Jr]

What kind of improvement we get from this compared to ps5 and xbox series x

 

[AncientOrigin]

Pascal to turing was exactly that. That 2080ti could have been probably a ton faster if AMD was pushing and they sold it for insane prices like almost double that of 1080ti

Nvidia cares about being the top dog, and being the one that profits the most. The whole 4080 having less then 2x tflops over the 4090ti is basically just screaming to me, that amd simple doesn't have much going on for them with RDNA3, even that guy in my post stated RDNA3 was disappointing performance wise.

This could very well mean they made the 4080 to sit around the 3090/3090ti performance, and the 4070 around the 3080 performance, becuase there isn't much reason for them to push it forwards. There halo product the 4090ti will basically cull amd out of the top end again in benchmarks. Big chance AMD will also have lots of yield issue's or other problems with there new architecture.

So yea i can see why it would happen. The only reason the 3080 is so close to 3090 performance wise is because AMD was pushing a 6800xt so they had to counter it, if that card didn't exist u would have seen a 3070 being sold as 3080 and if the 6900xt didn't exist they would have called the 3080 probably there TI product and the 3090 wouldn't even exist.

But we will see tho.

This is true with selling the 3070 as 3080.Nvidia did it in the past.If you remember the famous and great 680 graphics card was planned as middle card but AMD had nothing to stand against Nvidia cards so Nvidia introduced the 680 as high end .But this time AMD is on fire they will do amazing the best CPUs and will be Head to head with Nvidia.Nvidia will only win if they have the biggest card.At same card size I think AMD will win in any metric minus maybe Raytracing

 

[Bojji]

Most games are still crossgen, and made for the previous gen. But they are not made for the Series S.
Soon we'll see most devs developing only or the current gen, and then the target becomes the PS5 and Series X.
For the Series S, dev's will just lower resolution for screen, shadows, textures and other effects, until it runs well enough.

Entire game design has to be made with this ~8GB RAM pool in mind, not much more than on X1/PS4.

They can cut textures and stuff but whatever they do then can't exceed this memory limit, every 9 gen game will be made with this ceiling in mind aside PS5 exclusives. That's why devs aren't happy with XSS existence and why many people say that this console is like an anchor for XSX and PS5.

I'm stopping this offtopic now

What kind of improvement we get from this compared to ps5 and xbox series x

Higher resolution, better performance and better ray tracing, usual stuff.

 

[Toots]

Ada Lovelace GPUs

It just occured to me that "Ada Lovelace GPU" sounds like the kind of retro futuristic garbage Cave Johnson would build at Aperture.
I know it's an hommage to one of the pionners but it doesn't matter.

 

[winjer]

Entire game design has to be made with this ~8GB RAM pool in mind, not much more than on X1/PS4.

They can cut textures and stuff but whatever they do then can't exceed this memory limit, every 9 gen game will be made with this ceiling in mind aside PS5 exclusives. That's why devs aren't happy with XSS existence and why many people say that this console is like an anchor for XSX and PS5.

You really don't understand what can be done with mip levels, lower resolution for effects and assets, etc.
This is just a matter of changing some cvars on a game engine.
The issue that devs have is that the Series S forces additional work, for a small install base.

 

[GymWolf]

Not sure if a jumb from a 2070super to a 4070 is big enough, i'm probably gonna go with a 4080 if the price is around 700 euros.

 

[Bojji]

You really don't understand what can be done with mip levels, lower resolution for effects and assets, etc.
This is just a matter of changing some cvars on a game engine.
The issue that devs have is that the Series S forces additional work, for a small install base.

XSS will have quite high install base (maybe higher than SX).

Memory:

Billy Khan, lead engine programmer at id Software, says the Series S’ RAM is “a major issue”, and says that the “much lower amount of memory and the split memory banks with drastically slower speeds” will prove to be problematic. Similarly, Alex Gneiting, principal engine programmer at id Software, agrees with that sentiment, and says that the RAM deficiency won’t be easy to compensate, and will drag down the base specs that developers will have to consider noticeably for multiplatform games.

Xbox Series S RAM is a “Major Issue” – Several Devs Speak Out About Memory “Bottleneck”

gamingbolt.com

 

[winjer]

XSS will have quite high install base (maybe higher than SX).

Memory:

Xbox Series S RAM is a “Major Issue” – Several Devs Speak Out About Memory “Bottleneck”

gamingbolt.com

The PS5 + Series X are the main target, and will have a much larger install bae than the Series S.

The issue with the memory of the Series S has been overstated.
If you understood how changing a few cvars can reduce a game's memory footprint, you wouldn't be making such a fuss about the Series S memory.
Once again, take a look at the table for mipmap levels I posted from Unreal Engine to have an idea of how much memory can be saved from just tweaking mip lods.

 

[CuteFaceJay]

So is the 3090 bad yet?

 

[DukeNukem00]

Not sure if a jumb from a 2070super to a 4070 is big enough, i'm probably gonna go with a 4080 if the price is around 700 euros.

The jump from a 5700xt/6600xt/2070S to a 3080 is more than double at 4k, so depending how a 4070 ends up relative to a 3080, it should be a big jump either way

 

[CuteFaceJay]

I think people are getting their hopes up with that 500 price tag. it'll be double that when the time comes.

 

[GymWolf]

The jump from a 5700xt/6600xt/2070S to a 3080 is more than double at 4k, so depending how a 4070 ends up relative to a 3080, it should be a big jump either way

Well, since a 3080 is not good for 4k60 with heavy\broken current games, there is no meaning in buying a gpu that perform roughly the same.

I have a 4k tv, it's really time for me to feed the tv with actual 4k content without decreasing framerate and details that much.

 

[Allandor]

300W for a xx70 Series ... are they mad?
There is a limit what can be cooled by air without to much noise and so far that limit is at around 200W. 300W for a GPU is a no go for me. I run my 3070 at 65% power target because of the coolers noise. So it seems they are now maxing out the chips where they can, while also reducing memory bandwidth. Wrong direction nvidia ... wrong direction...

 

[Corporal.Hicks]

300W for a xx70 Series ... are they mad?
There is a limit what can be cooled by air without to much noise and so far that limit is at around 200W. 300W for a GPU is a no go for me. I run my 3070 at 65% power target because of the coolers noise. So it seems they are now maxing out the chips where they can, while also reducing memory bandwidth. Wrong direction nvidia ... wrong direction...

I have noticed similar thing. I had 250W GTX 1080ti (asus strix) in the past and this GPU was very loud during gaming even at low GPU usage. Now I have 200W GTX 1080 (palit gamerock premium) and I hear absolutely nothing even at 99% GPU usage. It seems like addition 50W above 200W makes a huge difference.

 

[Dream-Knife]

Have you seen any gen where games were made for more powerful console first? Only some Xbox games were made for this console first and then gutted in PS2 version (like Splinter Cell) but more than 90% of multiplatform games had PS2 as a target but this was the last console gen where consoles had massive memory differences. Since then main consoles were on par in memory amount, Series S fuck things up...

And XSS will likely have higher install base than XSX.

That era still had a ton of third party exclusives too. Xbox got most of the PC ports unmolested since it was a pentium 3 and ~mx440.

Big step up from the prior gen where PS1 got entirely different games from the N64.

This is true with selling the 3070 as 3080.Nvidia did it in the past.If you remember the famous and great 680 graphics card was planned as middle card but AMD had nothing to stand against Nvidia cards so Nvidia introduced the 680 as high end .But this time AMD is on fire they will do amazing the best CPUs and will be Head to head with Nvidia.Nvidia will only win if they have the biggest card.At same card size I think AMD will win in any metric minus maybe Raytracing

Big Navi was supposed to change the world too. RDNA2 were good cards. I would have been happy with mine had it not been for constant driver issues.

Well, since a 3080 is not good for 4k60 with heavy\broken current games, there is no meaning in buying a gpu that perform roughly the same.

I have a 4k tv, it's really time for me to feed the tv with actual 4k content without decreasing framerate and details that much.

That will only work until even more broken games come out. Really devs just need to get their shit together.

300W for a xx70 Series ... are they mad?
There is a limit what can be cooled by air without to much noise and so far that limit is at around 200W. 300W for a GPU is a no go for me. I run my 3070 at 65% power target because of the coolers noise. So it seems they are now maxing out the chips where they can, while also reducing memory bandwidth. Wrong direction nvidia ... wrong direction...

As you noted, that's maximum performance for those that want it. You're always free to degrade your performance.

 

[Athreous]

For 2k gaming on ultra and 60+ fps, I wonder if a 4070 would do the job or if I should stick with a 4080 once they are released...

 

[Kenpachii]

For 2k gaming on ultra and 60+ fps, I wonder if a 4070 would do the job or if I should stick with a 4080 once they are released...

Ultra settings u need the best u can get, ultra is always killing fps ridiculous hard. Hell i could see the next AC requiring a 4090 for 1080p ultra to 60 fps rofl.

 

[TonyK]

The RTX 4070 will be the sweet spot for high-end gaming, offering a buttery smooth 2K game experience.

 

[Leviathicus]

Here I am waiting for my 3070 to arrive...