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Rumor: Possible Pokemon Sun and Moon Chinese Leaks [SPOILERS]

You know they say that all starters are created equal, but you look at me and you look at Popplio and you can see that statement is not true. See, normally if you go singles against another Pokemon you got 50/50 chance of winning. But I've got perfect IVs and I'm not normal. So you got 25 percent chance at best at beat me. Then you add Rowlet to the mix, your chances of winning harshly fell.

See the rotation battle at the VG World Championships, you got a 33 1/3 chance of winning, but I, I got a 66 1/3 chance of winning, because Rowlet knows he's not very effective against me and he's not even gonna try.

So Popplio, you take your 33 1/3 chance, minus my 25 percent chance, and you got an 8 1/3 chance of winning at the VG World Championships. But then you take my 75% chance, if we was to go singles, and then add my 66 2/3 percents, I got a 141 2/3 chance of winning at the VG World Championships.

See Popplio, the numbers don't lie. And they spell disaster for you at the VG World Championships.
All Litten needs is his peaks and his freaks!
 

e105zeta

Neo Member
Even Magikarp? :|



Agreed, if Game Freak are doing away with gym then that will mean that Dark type officially never got a gym.

Honestly it just seems like that that they are taking the gen 5 approach and making the gym leader take on the role as Island leader, which could be a Alola naming for Gym Leader.

It would seem from better translations of the Chinese leak that Alola has no Pokemon League at the beginning of the game, and the player character and Hau set out to build one by scouting potential Gym Leaders and Elite Four members.
 

Darth_Caedus

No longer canonical
It would seem from better translations of the Chinese leak that Alola has no Pokemon League at the beginning of the game, and the player character and Hau set out to build one by scouting potential Gym Leaders and Elite Four members.
That would be fun. It can also give more personality to the gym leaders and elite four, since it will probably have character arcs for each one ending in a fight.
 

IntelliHeath

As in "Heathcliff"
Satsohi getting Rowlet makes sense. Especially if those are the evos. It would be awesome for him to make it in Smash NX. We need a grass type.

I would love that. Rowlet's final form being pure Archer in Smash Bros would be awesome.

Sooo conflicted.

I like the Grass and Water concepts ... but for the love of all that is holy, DON'T MAKE MY KITTY A 2 LEGGED WWE MAN! D:

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And, who know if the leak is real or not.
 

Mr. Virus

Member
You know they say that all starters are created equal, but you look at me and you look at Popplio and you can see that statement is not true. See, normally if you go singles against another Pokemon you got 50/50 chance of winning. But I've got perfect IVs and I'm not normal. So you got 25 percent chance at best at beat me. Then you add Rowlet to the mix, your chances of winning harshly fell.

See the rotation battle at the VG World Championships, you got a 33 1/3 chance of winning, but I, I got a 66 1/3 chance of winning, because Rowlet knows he's not very effective against me and he's not even gonna try.

So Popplio, you take your 33 1/3 chance, minus my 25 percent chance, and you got an 8 1/3 chance of winning at the VG World Championships. But then you take my 75% chance, if we was to go singles, and then add my 66 2/3 percents, I got a 141 2/3 chance of winning at the VG World Championships.

See Popplio, the numbers don't lie. And they spell disaster for you at the VG World Championships.

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I like how this gif works with your post too.
 

JackHerer

Member
Maybe gyms and elite four is the post game

And the first gym starts at level 50 and so on and the evil team returning again to make the game even longer

This would actually be pretty awesome. Would provide a different kind of story structure that could help the game feel fresh and meatier.
 

Noi_

Banned
Let me play devil's advocate here. It's entirely possible that the person on smogon is making this up. Rockruff evolving into a werewolf is entirely guessable if you read the Sun/Moon page for him. I'm only a LITTLE skeptical because the person didn't really link the leak did he? Of course this doesn't explain why the pictures are being taken down from google, or how he convinced the mods to let him discuss it though. I'm just saying it could have been simple to come up with some of this stuff and then take an existing picture that no ones disproved and add it to the leak for credibility.

With that said I do think there's a good chance of this being legit, even though I don't like some of it, I do find it odd that confidential pictures would leak, and then someone else completely would leak info, surely you'd think they'd tighten security up a little, don't you think?
 
Let me play devil's advocate here. It's entirely possible that the person on smogon is making this up. Rockruff evolving into a werewolf is entirely guessable if you read the Sun/Moon page for him. I'm only a LITTLE skeptical because the person didn't really link the leak did he? Of course this doesn't explain why the pictures are being taken down from google, or how he convinced the mods to let him discuss it though. I'm just saying it could have been simple to come up with some of this stuff and then take an existing picture that no ones disproved and add it to the leak for credibility.

With that said I do think there's a good chance of this being legit, even though I don't like some of it, I do find it odd that confidential pictures would leak, and then someone else completely would leak info, surely you'd think they'd tighten security up a little, don't you think?
Supposedly this all came from a chinese site a while ago
 

DNAbro

Member
Let me play devil's advocate here. It's entirely possible that the person on smogon is making this up. Rockruff evolving into a werewolf is entirely guessable if you read the Sun/Moon page for him. I'm only a LITTLE skeptical because the person didn't really link the leak did he? Of course this doesn't explain why the pictures are being taken down from google, or how he convinced the mods to let him discuss it though. I'm just saying it could have been simple to come up with some of this stuff and then take an existing picture that no ones disproved and add it to the leak for credibility.

With that said I do think there's a good chance of this being legit, even though I don't like some of it, I do find it odd that confidential pictures would leak, and then someone else completely would leak info, surely you'd think they'd tighten security up a little, don't you think?

I mean not really.
 

Noi_

Banned
Supposedly this all came from a chinese site a while ago

Yeah, but it'd be nice if we could get accurate confirmation of when it was posted. It's just that a lot of this is stuff we already know or could make guesses of. Using an image floating around the internet for awhile, Marshadow being trademarked for a while, rockruff could have been an easy guess if you read the page, the synchro(?) stuff has been speculated for awhile too. It just seems like someone took a lot of existing information, made some guesses and took some photo no one has disproved and merged it into one leak.

AGAIN, i'm not saying its fake, because I don't really think it is.
 
Do we know if anyone actually translated the text on that art? It probably wouldn't give any indication that it's fake but it could be interesting.

Edit: Oh, they literally just say "Owl 3", "Tiger 3", and "Sea Lion 3".
 
With the exception of Greninja, I don't think they've had good final evo starters since 4th gen.

Samurott, Emboar, and Serperior?
Delphox and Chesnaught?

I would put all 5 of them firmly below every single other starter. Which sucks, because I at least like all of their "baby" forms.

Hoping this leak is real and we get the archer bird. The final evo for Poplio is disappointing, but that's what I expect these days...
 

Neiteio

Member
can we now all agree that Poppolio is the best starter? Okay, the owl archer is also pretty neat. Litten turns into an abomination
I love all three. If these concepts are real, they are hands-down my favorite trio of starters.

But yes, Popplio's selkie/siren/mermaid evo is probably my favorite, too.
 
Do we know if anyone actually translated the text on that art? It probably wouldn't give any indication that it's fake but it could be interesting.
I had a peek but it's tiny and too low res to read most of it. Only things I could make out was the larger text on rowlett's saying 'owl' and litten's saying 'tiger' :p
 
I had a peek but it's tiny and too low res to read most of it. Only things I could make out was the larger text on rowlett's saying 'owl' and litten's saying 'tiger' :p

Yeah I just looked it up because I was curious lol. I edited my earlier post, it just says Owl 3, Tiger 3, and Sea Lion 3.
 

Darth_Caedus

No longer canonical
With the exception of Greninja, I don't think they've had good final evo starters since 4th gen.

Samurott, Emboar, and Serperior?
Delphox and Chesnaught?

I would put all 5 of them firmly below every single other starter. Which sucks, because I at least like all of their "baby" forms.

Hoping this leak is real and we get the archer bird. The final evo for Poplio is disappointing, but that's what I expect these days...
I love Delphox and I love Samurott and Serperior. Don't care for Emboar. I think starters are usually solid but gen 5 had a tough act to follow cause Gen 4 was so awesome with the starters.
 
i can only really make out a few of the smaller notes, like "when it's uncomfortable" under the image where rowlet3 is pulling its drawstrings and "arrows come from here" next to the picture where it's aiming the arrow, and "fire belt" and "tiger swing" for litten3. there's some more than can probably be made out by someone more qualified than i am but yeah it's awfully hard to read
 

Neiteio

Member
i can only really make out a few of the smaller notes, like "when it's uncomfortable" under the image where rowlet3 is pulling its drawstrings and "arrows come from here" next to the picture where it's aiming the arrow, and "fire belt" and "tiger swing" for litten3. there's some more than can probably be made out by someone more qualified than i am but yeah it's awfully hard to read
I wish we knew some of the notes on the siren. Again, with the caveat it's all unconfirmed. But still, I want to know!
 
I wish we knew some of the notes on the siren. Again, with the caveat it's all unconfirmed. But still, I want to know!
I couldn't even read the funky font for the larger text on the siren one, let alone the small itty bitty stuff. Lucky for you bankslammer can read more of it than I can because no amount of squinting was going to help me :p
 

Neiteio

Member
I couldn't even read the funky font for the larger text on the siren one, let alone the small itty bitty stuff. Lucky for you bankslammer can read more of it than I can because no amount of squinting was going to help me :p
Clearly you just hate Pokemon and the Japanese language!!
 

L Thammy

Member
I shoved my face directly against my laptop screen and opened my eyes really wide. The thing at the top looks like it says "creature" and then some stuff. To the top-right, above the owl's head and glasses, it looks like it says Furatto or something like that. It also looks like there's the standard ZZZ above the sleeping tiger man. That's all I could make out.

Mind you, it would probably help if I actually read Japanese.

EDIT: I recognize the kanji for bow on the bottom of the first section. I think that confirms that the owl Pokemon is wielding a bow.
 

AetherZX

Member
Fire is not flawed in a such a way that only one type combination can actually be viable. I mean Volcarona somehow manages to be useful in competitive despite having a double SR weakness to stress about. You're telling me it's impossible for anything besides /Fighting to work out?

I mean if it truly was, it's a terrible argument, because Gamefreak has to ability to simply fix a problem with the Fire type if needed. They can remove 2 resistances from Steel just to have Aegislash not be unstoppable, but making one of the three primary types a bit better so they don't have to exhaust people with a typing that was already played out three gens ago is impossible?

Volcarona also has a higher BST, an amazing boosting move and a contact deterrent ability. I'm telling you fighting is the easiest way to make trash Fire starters worth a damn without throwing off their flawed starter triangle. The proof is in the pudding really. With all 3 examples, Mevos aside, making Typhlosion, Charizard and Delphox look like sad cases.

Fire is defensively mediocre and greatly suffers in singles play due to SR. Fighting not only offers an amazing STAB alongside it but neutralizes said SR weaknesses. A decent benchmark on its own with only stat spread, ability and movepool left to worry about. They also had an opportunity to revise other types and clearly didn't for this, so there's really no point in discussing it.

Personally, I'd say that combo can be as played out as it wants really. The persistence on keeping FWG as a starter triangle is even worse.
 

IntelliHeath

As in "Heathcliff"
since the leaks are basically unconfirmed right now so we doesn't have any clear idea if it's real or not.

However, I want to comment something on Archer Owl. I really hope that it's real because it really look badass. I meant, it really look so good that it should become playable character in Smash Bros, period.

However, I want to point it out (and probably reaching too far into this.)

Official information on Rowlet

English Name: Rowlet
Jp. Name: Mokuroh (モクロー)

Type: Grass/Flying-type
Classification: Grass Quill Pokémon

Rowlet can attack without making a sound! It flies silently through the skies, drawing near to its opponent without being noticed, and then lashing out with powerful kicks. It can also attack from a distance using the razor-sharp leaves that form part of its feathers.
Its visual abilities are impressive. The darkness of night is no obstacle to Rowlet! It can twist its neck nearly 180° from front to back so it can see directly behind itself. It has a habit of turning its head in battle to face its Trainer and receive instructions. The move Leafage attacks an opponent by striking it with leaves. Rowlet knows this move from the moment it becomes your partner!

It would be amusing subtle reference, hence "Grass Quill Pokemon" could have few meanings hidden in a word There are some arrows with feathered quills.

 

GoldStarz

Member
With the exception of Greninja, I don't think they've had good final evo starters since 4th gen.

Samurott, Emboar, and Serperior?
Delphox and Chesnaught?

I would put all 5 of them firmly below every single other starter. Which sucks, because I at least like all of their "baby" forms.

Hoping this leak is real and we get the archer bird. The final evo for Poplio is disappointing, but that's what I expect these days...

I can agree with haven't had a solid fully evolved line up since Gen IV, but I also think that's the only time we had a solid line up of fully evolved starters.

Also Seperior and Chesnaught already exceed every other Grass line for me because they actually convinced me to go grass, which I've only done for Chikorita in Silver and regretted once I got a Meganium.
 

Darth_Caedus

No longer canonical
I can agree with haven't had a solid fully evolved line up since Gen IV, but I also think that's the only time we had a solid line up of fully evolved starters.

Also Seperior and Chesnaught already exceed every other Grass line for me because they actually convinced me to go grass, which I've only done for Chikorita in Silver and regretted once I got a Meganium.
Gen 3 is all solid too
 

NeonZ

Member
It would seem from better translations of the Chinese leak that Alola has no Pokemon League at the beginning of the game, and the player character and Hau set out to build one by scouting potential Gym Leaders and Elite Four members.

If they really take that route with the game, it'd also make it much more likely that they'd actually allow Ash to win this time in the anime and there would be no reset going into the next region, since that premise would fit pretty well with a Champion main hero.
 
Just read on Smogon that these leaks come from the poster's friend and not the poster themselves, and it's the poster's friend who claims that they saw these leaks before Salandit's reveal and no real proof has been offered to support that claim. Put me down for skeptical.

Also, didn't we get the Komala and Rockruff CoroCoro leaks on the 10th of last month? Might not be long until this month's issue.
 
Just read on Smogon that these leaks come from the poster's friend and not the poster themselves, and it's the poster's friend who claims that they saw these leaks before Salandit's reveal and no real proof has been offered to support that claim. Put me down for skeptical.

Also, didn't we get the Komala and Rockruff CoroCoro leaks on the 10th of last month? Might not be long until this month's issue.

Yeah the Owl 3/Tiger 3/Sea Lion 3 thing makes me much more skeptical now. The leaks usually come out on the 11th Japan Time (which happened with Rockruff/Komala) unless there's something major. If there's nothing by the 12th, then it probably won't be much, if anything.
 

GoldStarz

Member
Just read on Smogon that these leaks come from the poster's friend and not the poster themselves, and it's the poster's friend who claims that they saw these leaks before Salandit's reveal and no real proof has been offered to support that claim. Put me down for skeptical.

Also, didn't we get the Komala and Rockruff CoroCoro leaks on the 10th of last month? Might not be long until this month's issue.

You only bothered to find that out now? Poster themself has claimed they're holding back info because they're "worried about their reputation on Smogon if the leaks are false". smh
 

Watch Da Birdie

I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Honestly I browsed through her post history a bit on Smogon and they seemed like a pretty well-liked and honest sounding person, so I kind of thought they wouldn't risk their account by making stuff up. I hope it's real now too since I made the thread and all haha, plus I legitimately love those Starters.
 
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