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Rumor: Possible Pokemon Sun and Moon Chinese Leaks [SPOILERS]
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Aaronrules380
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We all love the simplicity and beauty of such amazing designs as Magmar /s
Okay. And I'm just telling you that this isn't a Pokemon Go discussion thread nor is it your platform to bash current designs and put Gen I designs on a pedastal. Literally nothing you are talking about has anything to do with the discussion at hand. If you wanna go into the Pokemon Community thread or Pokemon ORAS thread to talk about it, be my guest, but I really don't think you'll get a warm welcome there either. If you want hit up a thread to talk about this, I suggest the Pokemon Go thread, but I can't say how shared your opinion will be there, I haven't been. See ya.
There was no excellent growth from Squirtle to Blastoise.
Garbage final evolutions that make no sense have been a staple for starters since the very first day.
In Pokemon talks, "they look like Digimon" always means "I'm a certified idiot that doesn't know shit about Pokemon AND Digimon so you obviously shouldn't listen to anything I have to say because you'll only get stupider like me if you do"
Maintenance
Member
They don't look like Digimon, they just look bad.
A turtle -> A bigger turtle -> A bigger turtle with cannons.
This seems perfectly logical to me, and is how turtles mature in the wild too.
It's true, I fear for my life everyday that a turtle will pop out of the nearby creek and cannon bomb my house to nothing.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
Member
Nah, squirtle was pretty straight forward, even though it lost the P-Wing ears and big bushy tail, Blastoise still looked like something that could be derived from the first two forms. Blaziken, Samurott, and Greninja are the only ones that made me raise an eyebrow
Waluigilicious
Member
If stuff like Jynx/Magmar/Mr.Mime came out today then people would lose their shit lol
There was absolutely no indication that Wartortle was going to growth a set of artificial human weapons. It's just as bad as Magmortar or Rhyperior, two Pokemon that get maligned for the exact same reason.
The only thing Blastoise did was completely ruin Squirtle for 20 years until GF hopefully comes to their senses one day and finally decides to retcon the biggest mistake they have ever done.
Squirtle to Wartortle is, but Blastoise looks significantly different from his prevos, far more than Greninja does to Froakie or Frogadier.
About that...
On the current topic: The entire Squirtle line is one bizarre evolution after another. You go from surfing ears and tail to cannons on your back? I like the line (save for Wartortle) but it's not exactly a logical leap of an evolution.
I mean I get why you like that from your username. But it's awfully tryhard
Pokemon's gone through three major art-shifts. While all generations have a mixture of designs, these are the overall feeling I get from each generation.
G1/2: Most Pokemon are simple blobs (Jigglypuff, Gengar, Togepi, Ditto), draconic or dinosaurs (Rhydon, Lapras, Dragonite, Charizard, Ampharos), kaiju (Nidoking, Nidoking, Tyrannitar) or a mixture of all of the above. There are Pokemon inspired by animals but only vaguely (wtf is even a Pigeot or Fearow?)
G 3/4: Most Pokemon are intricately based on real-life lifeforms with all of their details in anatomy (Anorith, Yanmega, Corphish, Ninjask, Swellow, Floatzel)
G 5/6: Most Pokemon are like Lucario - mostly humanoid and with a few animalistic traits thrown in. (Emboar, the elemental monkeys, Zoroark, Kami Trio, Gothitelle, all of the Kalos starters, Hawlucha et al)
G1/2: Most Pokemon are simple blobs (Jigglypuff, Gengar, Togepi, Ditto), draconic or dinosaurs (Rhydon, Lapras, Dragonite, Charizard, Ampharos), kaiju (Nidoking, Nidoking, Tyrannitar) or a mixture of all of the above. There are Pokemon inspired by animals but only vaguely (wtf is even a Pigeot or Fearow?)
G 3/4: Most Pokemon are intricately based on real-life lifeforms with all of their details in anatomy (Anorith, Yanmega, Corphish, Ninjask, Swellow, Floatzel)
G 5/6: Most Pokemon are like Lucario - mostly humanoid and with a few animalistic traits thrown in. (Emboar, the elemental monkeys, Zoroark, Kami Trio, Gothitelle, all of the Kalos starters, Hawlucha et al)
Black-Wind
Member
Ya know, if the starters really do look like this it would just be my fucking luck.
They fuck up the final form of the Fox starter (my fav up til the final evo) that shoulda clearly been a fancy magical girl based on it's mid evo. After some years they internally admit that they bitched out on that one and give the that pretty female treatment to ... the goofy looking ass Water Seal thing and fucked over my love-a-first-sight fire kitty by making it a two legged dude bro.
They fuck up the final form of the Fox starter (my fav up til the final evo) that shoulda clearly been a fancy magical girl based on it's mid evo. After some years they internally admit that they bitched out on that one and give the that pretty female treatment to ... the goofy looking ass Water Seal thing and fucked over my love-a-first-sight fire kitty by making it a two legged dude bro.
I've heard the Digimon argument every time a new Pokémon has been revealed since bloody 1999.
I'm sick of it
Thing is, with many Pokémon this gen, I've seen people complaining that they look too basic and too much like animals
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
you'll only hear about the Digimon thing from the West
Japanese never really made or compare the two unless it was an intentional crossover fan material they're doing
also stop giving attention to Vire, look up that person's post history
From what I hear they're supposed to represent "waves". Yeah it's weird. The tail and ears are supposed to resemble the tidal waves of the sea.
Japanese never really made or compare the two unless it was an intentional crossover fan material they're doing
also stop giving attention to Vire, look up that person's post history
About that...
On the current topic: The entire Squirtle line is one bizarre evolution after another. You go from surfing ears and tail to cannons on your back? I like the line (save for Wartortle) but it's not exactly a logical leap of an evolution.
From what I hear they're supposed to represent "waves". Yeah it's weird. The tail and ears are supposed to resemble the tidal waves of the sea.
Geminosity
Member
:3
The rumour does mention Kalos starter megas so I wonder if they'll attempt to 'fix' delphox with that. That said, my mega is usually reserved for the awesomeness that is Mawile
Right? I don't get why people care so much about how edgelordy their final forms look. Or why they NEED them to have a smooth gradation of features from the first to last. Sometimes a pokemons last Evo stage looks cooler when it seems like it "went too far" or experienced some mutation. Variety is where it's at. But it's all subjective anyhow
That's one of the many problems with the Pokemon fanbase, and I'm sick of it too.
New intricate Pokemon gets revealed? "i-its a digimon
(( gen 1 is the best!!!"New simple Pokemon gets revealed? "stupid gamefreak getting lazy xD"
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Is the digimon comparison supposed to be an insult or something I never got it. Digimon look cool too
Vire
Member
Who are you to tell me what this thread is or isn't? I'm reading the opening post, it has leaks of concept art of the designs of the latest Pokemon, and I'm commenting that I don't like how overdesigned they look in my opinion. How is that not on topic?
If you want an echo chamber, you should follow your own instructions and go back to the Pokemon Community thread as you said.
Subtervotion
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Goddamn I hope Litten turns out ok.
DragonKnight
Member
Why'd they have to mimes or body builders? You get my point.
Edit: Im glad the GameFreak just continues to make the games they want to make. Fans are way too fickle and move goalposts way too often.
The Hitmon___ family would like to have a word with you, among others.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Well wait while I don't like these designs and the owl totally does remind me of a Digimon. Pokemon have always had "professions". Chansey for example
Edit:yup machoke,mr mime etc
DragonKnight
Member
Hell in GSC electrodes are batteries
Exterminieren
Banned
This is a line of argument I haven't heard before, so kudos for that.
I'm not sure it's a valid one, though- the Machop line, Hitmonchan, Chansey and Mr. Mime show us that this is nothing new.
Vire
Member
I guess you are right, but it just seems like more of them have an extra twist now instead of being an interesting design in their own right.
I guess it's really the mishmash of colors and ornateness of them that bother me. It's hard to place a finger on it. Maybe them being humanoid also has something to do with it reminding me of Digimon.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Nah I get you I won't pile on ya. People shit on gen V all day I think they're some of the best starters in the franchise so eh opinions.
I don't like these guys..well two of them because I'm tired of every fire starter having to stand up, and the water starter...well idk what I'm looking at there. The owl is pretty cool tho using a bow as his wings is pretty cool
ArchedThunder
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DragonKnight
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Lol. Pokemon has had humanoid mons since gen I way before Digimon. I mean Jesus. Lets think about this logically. What reason would Gamefreak ever have to copy digimon? This line of thinking simply makes zero sense.
Pokemon is Kobe and Digimon is Raja Bell.
Pokemon have had professions since Gen 1 with Chansey, this isn't something new.
EDIT:Beaten
And to be fair, the modern designs aren't far off from, say, Arcanine. Plus we've had questionable designs before, as shown by the likes of Muk. It may be just your nostalgia talking.
Humanoid like Mr. Mime, Jynx, Hitmonchan etc?
I could be wrong, but Gen1 could be the one with the highest number of humanoid Pokémon.
Personally, Gen1 designs are, for the most part, uninteresting for me nowadays. Sure, I still love Arcanine and Nidoking, but I much prefer newer designs. And I've been playing since de Gameboy days too!
Vire
Member
I like Gen V starters too *shrug*.
Gen VI was where it went south for me. Froakie is the only one that I really like.
DragonKnight
Member
I like the mermaid thing but I am really hoping that there is a more merman looking version. Then again, I guess female fans have been having to put up with stuff like this from day one (female pokemon lookijg decidely male) so I wont complain.
Geminosity
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Are you sure you're not just being swayed by nostalgia? For a lot of people the original pokemon have a special meaning to them because it was their first exposure to the franchise and took place in the golden days of their youth, so perhaps that might be the real root of your displeasure?
I only ask this because so far most of your issues seem to be easily disproven by posting pictures of gen 1 pokemon, so it comes across as you looking for problems rather than inherently having said problems :/
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
*High five
I like the froakie line,fennekin and braxien are cool. Chespin and his entire line can burn in a fire
I don't mind people comparing Pokemon to Digimon as long as they have proper perspective. Before you make that comparison, think long and hard about the fact that there is a Digimon based on Jesus. Contemplate that it's a knight with swords on its arms, legs, and tail, and that it's accompanied with fireball Digimon who are named after the Three Musketeers. It evolves from a set of dinosaur-like Digimon with bladed armour, which are all named after Huckleberry Finn. And he's basically trained by Jotaro Kujo.
If you can still compare a Pokemon to Digimon while you have that in mind, more power to you.
If you can still compare a Pokemon to Digimon while you have that in mind, more power to you.