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[AuthenticM]

WB seriously needs to let Ayer release his cut on blu-ray.

 

[Kibbles]

"If I were to die tomorrow"? Hoooooly shit dude, you're never going to be Heath Ledger, get that fucking chip off your shoulder.

lol... Wow, not everything is about Heath man. You guys are too much, lighten the fuck up. He was referencing how footage always comes out after actor's deaths. Had nothing to do with Heath, and Heath doesn't even apply to what he is saying at all so I don't know how you come up with that. Plus Jared has always been completely dead pan and morbid in interviews.

 

[Htown]

This is the same studio that let Miller cook with Fury Road for an obscene amount of money and an absurd amount of time

WB are a director focused studio, moreso than any out there, but they're freaking out with DC stuff in particular and I'm not sure why

because Iron man movies are making more money than Batman and Superman movies, and that's fucking insane

also they don't have that much else going on, while Disney is fucking killing it with everything they attempt pretty much

 

[Beerman462]

I really don't understand why WB/DC are having so much trouble here. Emulate the animated series in live action.

 

[inky]

This is the same studio that let Miller cook with Fury Road for an obscene amount of money and an absurd amount of time

WB are a director focused studio, moreso than any out there, but they're freaking out with DC stuff in particular and I'm not sure why

They have zero confidence in what they are doing with them, obviously.

And I don't disagree for WB overall, but in this case they are really crapping on their talent then.

 

[J_Viper]

Also oh my god Fury v Air Bud is the most confusing movie battle of all time

You don't have to choose

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

I really don't understand why WB/DC are having so much trouble here. Emulate the animated series in live action.

That would require WB to get Paul Dini to help them which Dini has repeatedly said he has no interest in writing movies.

 

[Goodstyle]

^ Not exactly a good look.

Like we needed another reason not to care about

Spoiler

his death

. Glad this was cut.

 

[Beerman462]

OMG RLM just compared Jared Leto to Marilyn Manson in his tainted love video....

Nailed it.

That would require WB to get Paul Dini to help them which Dini has repeatedly said he has no interest in writing movies.

They could adapt the style. They have enough material at this point.

 

[BronsonLee]

because Iron man movies are making more money than Batman and Superman movies, and that's fucking insane

also they don't have that much else going on, while Disney is fucking killing it with everything they attempt pretty much

They have zero confidence in what they are doing with them, obviously.

And I don't disagree for WB overall, but in this case they are really crapping on their talent then.

Yo they gotta chill, when WB gets cooking they make the best films

You don't have to choose

What the fuck is that

 

[Killer Queen]

Yo they gotta chill, when WB gets cooking they make the best films



What the fuck is that

The hero you deserve.

 

[Snaku]

It reads like they did everything they could to sanitize these characters and their relationships.

 

[TheWraith]

Can I just say that Boomerang's (light-hearted? mean?) racist and sexist jab towards Katana maybe the reason it didn't get released in China.

Biggest reason it wasn't allowed in China was because protagonists in the movie were villains,something which is explicitly forbidden in their crazy censorship rules.

 

[wesleyshark]

It seems like the cast all wanted this to be R rated, really surprised it wasn't, especially since all of Ayer's films are R rated.

It's always confused me why they'd hire a R-rated director to make a PG-13 film.

 

[Dead]

It's always confused me why they'd hire a R-rated director to make a PG-13 film.

Zack Snyder
David Ayer
Patty Jenkins
James Wan
Ben Affleck

All of them are actually mainly R rated directors.

 

[Doctor Decimate]

One of my big issues with the movie is the sparse characterization and the way the terrible editing seems to scramble to disguise that fact through montages, abrupt flashbacks, and chunks of the movie that outright just feel like trailers, so maybe this would've improved things a decent amount.

But then again, putting Superman's characterization back in to the ultimate edition of BvS just made that movie feel longer and more boring so who knows.

 

[Strangelove77]

Ah, the bargaining stage.

 

[wesleyshark]

Zack Snyder
David Ayer
Patty Jenkins
James Wan
Ben Affleck

All of them are actually mainly R rated directors.

Just seems like an odd approach- these films are being neutered creatively before they even start filming.

 

[Fury451]

WB seriously needs to let Ayer release his cut on blu-ray.

Ayer said multiple times now the theatrical cut is his cut.

WB may release their cut of it.

 

[torre_avenue]

That explains why Katana had literally no reason to be in this movie.

She added nothing to the plot and there's no explanation as to why she bonded with the Squad.

God, what an absolute shit show of a movie. I abhorred it and found it incredibly disappointing and just generally bad.

 

[Killer Queen]

Ayer said multiple times now the theatrical cut is his cut.

WB may release their cut of it.

Obligatory

 

[Fury451]

Obligatory

No, of course I don't believe it, but what I meant was they won't be calling it a director's cut if they release an extended version because Ayer jumped on that grenade for the studio like a professional would.

 

[Vincent Alexander]

People saying all these cut and re-arranged scenes wouldn't have saved the movie are seriously underestimating the power of film editing. Of course, it could have still been bad. But a piss poor edit could make a good movie 26% easily.

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

Ah, that explains alot.

didnt follow he news on this film, but yea it felt like there was a production shit storm

 

[wesleyshark]

Ayer definitely fell on a sword. No way that this was his cut.

 

[Xamtheking]

Where is the deleted acene of Batman and Deadshot playing poker
WB plz

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Katana is Japanese so geopolitically Chinese folks wouldn't mind.

Yeah, but the racist banter could've been in that caliber.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

OMG RLM just compared Jared Leto to Marilyn Manson in his tainted love video....

Nailed it.



They could adapt the style. They have enough material at this point.

The animated DC universe took almost a decade worth of planning. WB wants their universe next year. It's not that simple.

 

[Walpurgis]

The animated DC universe took almost a decade worth of planning. WB wants their universe next year. It's not that simple.

I think that's the problem with this whole universe.

 

[antonz]

People saying all these cut and re-arranged scenes wouldn't have saved the movie are seriously underestimating the power of film editing. Of course, it could have still been bad. But a piss poor edit could make a good movie 26% easily.

Of course but the problem is the movie that hit theaters occurred because according to all reports the initial cut bombed with test audiences. Initial teases of the movie hinted at a twisted but light hearted affair. Apparently movie was overly dark and little funny and people hated it.

They tested a completely different cut that was full of funny and it did amazing with test audiences. So WB decided to try and merge the two cuts into a Frankenstein of funny and dark. I suspect if they had just stuck to the funny cut it would have still been a disaster because people are upset the dark stuff is what is missing

 

[brianmcdoogle]

Good thing fans turned up en masse despite terrible reviews ahead of time. Now the studio will have no incentive to really change. Assuming anything is true, obviously.

 

[Kickz]

What would Slipknot being a serial rapist have added to the film?

LMAO or Killer Croc throwing up some goat chunks..

 

[andythinkpad]

Most of the scenes are pretty useless. I can use more Joker scenes, and Captain Australia creeping up on Katana, yes I want to see them.

The main problem of the movie is making Belly Dancing witch and her CGi brother the main villain. Also super sloppy fight scenes. No amount of proper editing can save it.

 

[Killer Queen]

Of course but the problem is the movie that hit theaters occurred because according to all reports the initial cut bombed with test audiences. Initial teases of the movie hinted at a twisted but light hearted affair. Apparently movie was overly dark and little funny and people hated it.

They tested a completely different cut that was full of funny and it did amazing with test audiences. So WB decided to try and merge the two cuts into a Frankenstein of funny and dark. I suspect if they had just stuck to the funny cut it would have still been a disaster because people are upset the dark stuff is what is missing

I think it would've done better critically but I'd definitely be disappointed personally. I like the idea of villains being realistically bad people, not just people that are obsessed with power and I think it would be a milestone to showcase an abusive relationship between Harley and the joker and that takes balls along with making one of your characters a rapist. Because no one else wouldve done it and it rather something try to be ambitious and have variety then just be same old. It could've been a great film on its own accord but maybe disappointed people that expected something different.

Good thing fans turned up en masse despite terrible reviews ahead of time. Now the studio will have no incentive to really change. Assuming anything is true, obviously.

Terrible reviews are one incentive. Bad reviews are what shook them to edit the film so I'm sure it'll shake them again.

 

[ReiGun]

because Iron man movies are making more money than Batman and Superman movies, and that's fucking insane

also they don't have that much else going on, while Disney is fucking killing it with everything they attempt pretty much

I don't think Iron Man has nearly as much to do with it as the fact that WB has nothing else going on. They do well with their smaller projects, but they have nothing as far as a big blockbuster franchise to hang their hats on. So everyone is panicking while trying to make this DC thing work, but so far, it seems WB's meddling is doing nothing but ensuring their failure.

I still say the biggest threat to the DCEU moving forward isn't Marvel, but the other tentpole movies WB has in development/production. The way this thing is going, if something else they can turn into a franchise hits, I say they'll drop this whole thing and put every character not named Batman back on the shelf.

 

[antonz]

I think it would've done better critically but I'd definitely be disappointed personally. I like the idea of villains being realistically bad people, not just people that are obsessed with power and I think it would be a milestone to showcase an abusive relationship between Harley and the joker and that takes balls along with making one of your characters a rapist. Because no one else wouldve done it and it rather something try to be ambitious and have variety then just be same old. It could've been a great film on its own accord but maybe disappointed people that expected something different.

I think Studios need to work closer with the filmmakers on trailers etc. A lot of this comes down to giving the wrong impression and then having to scramble to meet expectations. If they hadn't led people to believe it would be more lighthearted it could have likely stayed darker.

Though in some ways I wonder how much of the marvel effect is happening. Marvel has made lighter hearted fare with some tinges of darkness here and there super popular. So are general audience really wanting to go in and see dark and grim comic movies now?

 

[SleepyJohn11]

It probably would've actually. You guys are being a little ridiculous. Especially when a huge issue was the shitty editing and missing parts which surprise, ruins a movie. Wouldn't have been perfect but it would be a whole lot better.

The editing was the most excruciating thing about the movie for me, and I had to get Tylenol right after the movie stopped. But with those scenes or at least without the "style" of editing, the movie would only have gone from unbearable to just bad. The core problem with Suicide Squad comes from a script that should have more self-contained and focused on fleshing out the characters and making the drama/relationships between them the story.

 

[Killer Queen]

I think Studios need to work closer with the filmmakers on trailers etc. A lot of this comes down to giving the wrong impression and then having to scramble to meet expectations. If they hadn't led people to believe it would be more lighthearted it could have likely stayed darker.

Though in some ways I wonder how much of the marvel effect is happening. Marvel has made lighter hearted fare with some tinges of darkness here and there super popular. So are general audience really wanting to go in and see dark and grim comic movies now?

I'm not going to pretend that DC films don't have a slew of problems but I feel like this something that definitely happens. People have a certain expectation of what a superhero movie "should be" and get upset when it doesn't conform to that idea and instead we should branch out and look at what they could be, which I think DC is trying but then you have things like this happen and it only takes away peoples trust.

The editing was the most excruciating thing about the movie for me, and I had to get Tylenol right after the movie stopped. But with those scenes or at least without the "style" of editing, the movie would only have gone from unbearable to just bad. The core problem with Suicide Squad comes from a script that should have more self-contained and focused on fleshing out the characters and making the drama/relationships between them the story.

I don't understand this complaint. The OP talks about scenes that do just that, that were later removed and yet somehow it's not the issue. I don't get it?
I didn't think the film was bad or unbearable, but like others have said there's definitely a much better film out there, this just isn't it. But I enjoyed a lot of what was there and see potential.

 

[jett]

The animated DC universe took almost a decade worth of planning. WB wants their universe next year. It's not that simple.

The problem as somebody once said, is that this entire universe is reactionary.

Man of Steel was retroactively turned into the first movie in the DCEU as a reaction to Mahvel's success.
BvS's plot is a reaction to people complaining about Man of Steel's wanton destruction.
Justice League was made more cheery as a reaction to people complaining about BvS being too dreary.
Theatrical cut of Suicide Squad is also the direct result of WB changing gears in reaction to the backlash BvS received.

Will Wonder Woman be a reaction to a reaction of a reaction?

Then again, the REAL problem is that Zack Snyder has been spearheading the entire shitshow.

 

[PeakPointMatrix]

1.agreed
2.proper edit wouldve
3.maybe
4.agreed
5.what

Sorry but Joel Kinnaman as Rick was a terrible choice. He simply was not believable as an authoritative force capable of wrangling the SS. He felt like the substitute teacher no one respected and pranked constantly.

Jared Leto's Joker I really wanted to work, but at the end of the day he simply milked the scene too far or lacked enough subtlety. It all felt really try-hard "loooOok how cRAaaazeeee I ammmm!". He's about as tolerable in that role to me as Jessie Eisenberg was as Lex, which is not very. They're practically on the same shade of quirk on a sample paint pallet at Home Depot.

The rest of the casting ranges from alright (Will Smith just being Will Smith, to forgettable, like Captain Boomerang (you could literally edit out of the film and nothing would change)

Viola Davis is arguably the only character worth a damn in this film. Best cast role by far and it's not even close.

You make it sound like this was a mistake since day one. All the pieces were there for something decent.

I think seeing the team together with the writing really demonstrated how little chemistry and charisma this cast had together, something no one could really tell from the trailer. It certainly wasn't a mistake from day one, and had more things working for it as general audiences should be familiar with characters like Joker and Harley.

Again the concept is exciting and ripe for a good time. Shitty writing, direction and character chemistry utterly destroyed it however.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Very eager to see how they handle an "ultimate" cut.

Will it be more like the director's original version or will it be even further altered by content from the reshoots? Would be neat if they let us see more than one cut.

 

[ReiGun]

The problem as somebody once said, is that this entire universe is reactionary.

Man of Steel was retroactively turned into the first movie in the DCEU as a reaction to Mahvel's success.
BvS's plot is a reaction to people complaining about Man of Steel's wanton destruction.
Justice League was made more cheery as a reaction to people complaining about BvS being too dreary.
Theatrical cut of Suicide Squad is also the direct result of WB changing gears in reaction to the backlash BvS received.

Will Wonder Woman be a reaction to a reaction of a reaction?

Then again, the REAL problem is that Zack Snyder has been spearheading the entire shitshow.

What would they even be reacting to with Wonder Woman? The complaints about Suicide Squad's editing? That would require them to stay their asses out of the editing room and they've proven they ain't about to do that.

 

[Dead]

Very eager to see how they handle an "ultimate" cut.

Will it be more like the director's original version or will it be even further altered by content from the reshoots? Would be neat if they let us see more than one cut.

Unfortunately I don't think there will be one.

I feel we would already know too

 

[Killer Queen]

Sorry but Joel Kinnaman as Rick was a terrible choice. He simply was not believable as an authoritative force capable of wrangling the SS. He felt like the substitute teacher no one respected and pranked constantly.

Jared Leto's Joker I really wanted to work, but at the end of the day he simply milked the scene too far or lacked enough subtlety. It all felt really try-hard "loooOok how cRAaaazeeee I ammmm!". He's about as tolerable in that role to me as Jessie Eisenberg was as Lex, which is not very. They're practically on the same shade of quirk on a sample paint pallet at Home Depot.

The rest of the casting ranges from alright (Will Smith just being Will Smith, to forgettable, like Captain Boomerang (you could literally edit out of the film and nothing would change)

Viola Davis is arguably the only character worth a damn in this film. Best cast eole by far and it's not even close.

I'll agree about Joel, he's terrible
Everyone else though I'll disagree, I love this joker and I think the cast was done very well, I don't think they had poor chemistry there just wasn't much of them really interacting with each other and allegedly a lot of that got cut.

 

[Kickz]

The problem as somebody once said, is that this entire universe is reactionary.

Man of Steel was retroactively turned into the first movie in the DCEU as a reaction to Mahvel's success.
BvS's plot is a reaction to people complaining about Man of Steel's wanton destruction.
Justice League was made more cheery as a reaction to people complaining about BvS being too dreary.
Theatrical cut of Suicide Squad is also the direct result of WB changing gears in reaction to the backlash BvS received.

Will Wonder Woman be a reaction to a reaction of a reaction?

Then again, the REAL problem is that Zack Snyder has been spearheading the entire shitshow.

WB coming off as some insecure losers..

 

[Nairume]

Having some of these scenes back in would have been nice, but few of them would have addressed any of the bigger problems with the movie and more would actually have made the film worse in the long run.

 

[Dai101]

Ah, the bargaining stage.

And is still the first sunday!

 

[cj_iwakura]

I honestly think most of these cuts are for the better. The only one I would have like to see is the rain falling one, and maybe Croc's back story... and whatever happened to that guard.

 

[NHarmonic.]

Haven't watched yet, so how were the performances? How was Cara Delevingne in the movie? i had some faith on her.

 

[broncobuster]

Very eager to see how they handle an "ultimate" cut.

Will it be more like the director's original version or will it be even further altered by content from the reshoots? Would be neat if they let us see more than one cut.

At this point we'll only get deleted and alt scenes for home release. Even then, I question if they'll include them all.