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[neurosisxeno]

But there's also plenty to be said about how this movie chooses to edit and frame itself, especially early on. The way it introduces Enchantress and uses her throughout the movie is a prime example. Starting the movie with Dr. Moon's possession like they seemingly intended atleast would have put some emphasis on her from the get-go, and maybe would've helped with that whole thread. Instead, introducing her as maybe a candidate for the Squad? But then not? Then... huh? That fucked the whole pace of that first act. Not to say the movie isn't without its other problems, but the problems go beyond the Joker stuff getting cut/re purposed.

I completely agree. It really didn't help that most of he trailers lead people to think The Joker was a huge part of the film when he was actually a subplot for a villain that most people didn't know or care about. If they had emphasized Enchantress more throughout the trailers and made it clear The Joker was in the film but not a huge part, I think it wuld have tempered peoples expectations a bit.

I agree, the first 30 minutes of the movie are a complete mess. They introduce Harley Quinn and Deadshot like 3 times each for no god damn reason. Show the June Moon scene where she's exploring the cave from a cold open, up until Enchantress possesses her, and then roll the intro credits, leading into Waller arriving at the restaurant. Have her start explaining the team and introducing the characters. Roll the scenes with Deadshot and Quinn into a single introduction rather than jumping back and fourth between them and other characters. Follow Deadshot and Quinn with the others, and finish with Enchantress and Flagg. Intro fixed. From there you pick up at the scene where she's showing of Enchantress and weave in more scenes of The Joker chronologically.

That immediately helps the pacing at the beginning.

 

[wesleyshark]

Watching Half in the Bag review...

Brutal.

 

[dh4niel]

In 10 years we look back and see that the studio hold back at the best Joker of all time. It's unbelievable how much they cut from him. There are no words, GAF. I can only pray for a Directors Cut. I wanna see Jared Letos full personification of The Joker.

I doubt that very much. If Jared Leto had a whole film to himself playing The Joker it would just show how lame his performance was. To paraphrase Red Letter Media's Half In The Bag review: "Slightly quirky Marilyn Mason thug" is a pretty good description of his performance.

 

[Gilzor]

I like Ayer a lot as a director and I actually enjoyed Suicide Squad for the most part, but let's not pretend Ayer isn't capable of directing a shit film. Sabotage was an awful film and it lacked a lot of the criticisms that Suicide Squad is getting.

Totally. Fury may have won him back some cred, but Harsh Times and Street Kings were hardly "good" films either. End of Watch is probably the best thing he's written/directed.

 

[JimiNutz]

I doubt that very much. If Jared Leto had a whole film to himself playing The Joker it would just show how lame his performance was. To paraphrase Red Letter Media's Half In The Bag review: "Slightly quirky Marilyn Mason thug" is a pretty good description of his performance.

The Marilyn Manson comment is clearly in reference to his appearance (which he probably had no control over) rather than his performance though.
Leto was barely in SS enough to make any real analysis of his performance.

 

[The Last Wizard]

Hmm, the cut of the joker was definitely more caring for Harley. It was interesting to see but the evidence does point or him being abusive.

Why is dc or Warner intervening so damn much, although I enjoyed the movie it was obvious there were a lot of editing done that shouldn't had been.

 

[JeremyEtcetera]

A part of me thinks that Joker

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was originally going to be the film's villain but they scrapped that idea because it wouldn't make as much sense. Although technically the film's real villain was not executed well either.

 

[Poona]

I wonder if a lot of these were cut due to the rating? There's a few interviews with Jared going around where he said he wished the movie was rated R. If there was anything that suited R it's one for the villains.

In either case I hope they can include a lot of this content on the bluray, I don't mean just Joker stuff. It would have been good to know more about other members of the squad like croc, ropeguy and boomerang.

 

[tkscz]

A part of me thinks that Joker

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was originally going to be the film's villain but they scrapped that idea because it wouldn't make as much sense. Although technically the film's real villain was not executed well either.

I really liked the film, but can't deny that

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Enchantress was an awful villain that made no sense. Firstly, saying her brother being "unstoppable" by most weaponry but no one trying a rocket launcher on him for 3 days made no sense if they knew the bomb could take him out. Then there was her character in general. You can tell she was not originally the villain. A lot of what led up to her being the villain didn't mesh with the movie. I can't say it didn't make sense, at least attacking Waller/CADMAS, but wanting to take over because they weren't being praised as gods anymore felt tacked on. And how easy she got her brother's statue only makes me question why she didn't do it before. Also, it's never shown that she herself was incredibly powerful, just that she "could" make a powerful machine. Even with her heart back, the most she could do was teleport and fight well. And I'll say it, that fight scene was cool, didn't belong, but was still cool.

I think a better villain for the movie would've been Blockbuster.

 

[ItIsOkBro]

What would they even be reacting to with Wonder Woman? The complaints about Suicide Squad's editing? That would require them to stay their asses out of the editing room and they've proven they ain't about to do that.

wonder woman to have no editing, 4 hours long

 

[Poona]

wonder woman to have no editing, 4 hours long

That would be awesome. I'm really looking forward to that movie so as much content, the better.

 

[Shaanyboi]

Hmm, the cut of the joker was definitely more caring for Harley. It was interesting to see but the evidence does point or him being abusive.

Why is dc or Warner intervening so damn much, although I enjoyed the movie it was obvious there were a lot of editing done that shouldn't had been.

Because BvS was torn apart, and apparently test audiences responded negatively to the notion of Joker abusing his girlfriend.

 

[Black Republican]

wonder woman to have no editing, 4 hours long

now rated M!

 

[HeelPower]

I feel like its more likely that the editors made best of what garbage they had xD

And Leto's joker isn't somehow gonna turn out better than Ledger's once we see the edited out trash.

Its not happening.

 

[b&jy77VjiKn$#F]

wonder woman to have no editing, 4 hours long

A 4-hour long epic that span from WW1 to WW2 and her eventual exile from mankind could be awesome. Could be.

 

[3rdman]

It probably would've actually. You guys are being a little ridiculous. Especially when a huge issue was the shitty editing and missing parts which surprise, ruins a movie. Wouldn't have been perfect but it would be a whole lot better.

C'mon...WB execs may be a-holes but they are also professionals and have been making movies for a while. Although these scenes may help in fleshing out the back-story or give the plot more relevance, they were removed for a reason.

It's the same argument we heard when an extended version of the Hobbit was announced...the cut certainly helped but it also made an already boring movie a REALLY boring movie with just more plot.

 

[NHarmonic.]

Smith, Davis, and Robbie do a good job making the best of poor material.

Leto isn't around enough to make a fair judgement, but he's not great.

Courtney and Hernandez are good in the few times they are given attention, but otherwise don't get much.

Develigne, Akinnuoye-Agbaje, and Fukuhara get hardly anything to work with and are non-entities for most of the film.

Kinnaman is Kinnaman.

Thanks, i still want to watch this for the interesting villain designs, from an artistic point, but i guess i'll wait for the unlimited edition. BvS's final cut was enjoyable for me.

A non entity.

Wow, savage.

 

[Shaanyboi]

C'mon...WB execs may be a-holes but they are also professionals and have been making movies for a while. Although these scenes may help in fleshing out the back-story or give the plot more relevance, they were removed for a reason.

It's the same argument we heard when an extended version of the Hobbit was announced...the cut certainly helped but it also made an already boring movie a REALLY boring movie with just more plot.

Is this the equivalent of "You can't criticize a cook because he's a professional and you aren't"? The removal of the Joker stuff and reframing of his and Harley's relationship makes his whole involvement in the movie completely moot. There is no good reason for him to be there. If they stuck to that original idea, atleast it would've created some kind of arc for Harley and justified his inclusion. As is, it's an utterly pointless detour.

The changes made clearly didn't help anything.

 

[JeremyEtcetera]

I really liked the film, but can't deny that

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Enchantress was an awful villain that made no sense. Firstly, saying her brother being "unstoppable" by most weaponry but no one trying a rocket launcher on him for 3 days made no sense if they knew the bomb could take him out. Then there was her character in general. You can tell she was not originally the villain. A lot of what led up to her being the villain didn't mesh with the movie. I can't say it didn't make sense, at least attacking Waller/CADMAS, but wanting to take over because they weren't being praised as gods anymore felt tacked on. And how easy she got her brother's statue only makes me question why she didn't do it before. Also, it's never shown that she herself was incredibly powerful, just that she "could" make a powerful machine. Even with her heart back, the most she could do was teleport and fight well. And I'll say it, that fight scene was cool, didn't belong, but was still cool.

I think a better villain for the movie would've been Blockbuster.

Very true. Also, if they had focused on making this even more character oriented and low-key instead of 'let's go save the world' yet again like other hero movies, this one would have really stood out amongst the others. Imagine a bit of Ocean's Eleven sprinkled in along with just having

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a non-supernatural villain, or maybe have Joker as the hint of chaos meddling with their plans

.

 

[Moofers]

I like all the changes they made to the Joker and Harley relationship if that list is accurate. I thoroughly enjoyed them the way they were and would like them to get their own movie.

 

[DeathyBoy]

I like all the changes they made to the Joker and Harley relationship if that list is accurate. I thoroughly enjoyed them the way they were and would like them to get their own movie.

I thought it was pretty clear we were seeing Harley's idealised version of Joker. That or Joker got bored and decided he'd have his own romantic comedy period.

 

[Dipper145]

A lot of the movie seemed very confusing and jumped around a lot, a lot of flair with no actual substance to me. These additional scenes would have just felt like a lot more added flair to me, and don't seem to actually focus on the story that the movie is presenting at all, except for possibly the scenes involving enchantress/ dr june.

All the flashbacks and character building early on and throughout felt super forced the whole time to me. (Although I did enjoy the joker / harley stuff, but not in the context of the movie)

 

[Beartruck]

http://batman-news.com/2016/08/07/jared-leto-suicide-squad-footage-joker-movie/

Wait...the movie about SUICIDE SQUAD wasn't rated R? Seriously?

 

[Inferno313]

Wait...the movie about SUICIDE SQUAD wasn't rated R? Seriously?

Why would you have expected a $150+ Million film to be rated R?

 

[aBarreras]

these cut scenes doesnt change the movie at all

 

[Pie and Beans]

For as much as people want to use the scapegoat of WB butchering this movie by trying to course correct way too late, most of that stuff is dark and gritty for the sake of it bullshit which would have made the movie even worse.

People are already leaving cinemas really not liking how abusive Joker is to Harley, so all of that stuff staying in would have been headline poison. Ayer made a bad film, nothing was gonna save it.

 

[bananafactory]

Why would you have expected a $150+ Million film to be rated R?

When you film an R rated version of a Batman and Superman movie, but then make a PG13 film about the 'worst of the worst' villains they face, something isn't right.

 

[Toa TAK]

When you film an R rated version of a Batman and Superman movie, but then make a PG13 film about the 'worst of the worst' villains they face, something isn't right.

Yeah I'm confused by this, too.

Maybe someone who knows can explain it to me? I'm terribly ignorant on this.

 

[ebullientprism]

I havent seen SS yet but I wonder if the "complete edition" would actually make for a better film. It sure wasnt the case with BvS, that film needed more stuff to be cut not to be added. BvS didnt really change the tone of the movie, it just added more pointless tat to it.

 

[Inferno313]

When you film an R rated version of a Batman and Superman movie, but then make a PG13 film about the 'worst of the worst' villains they face, something isn't right.

You and I both know that there was not even one moment where Warner even began to consider releasing that R-Rated version as the theatrical cut.

Even if the 3 hour cut were to have been released to theaters, it would've at least been trimmed just enough to get a PG-13.

 

[BronsonLee]

Yeah I'm confused by this, too.

Maybe someone who knows can explain it to me? I'm terribly ignorant on this.

David Ayer isn't a fucking idiot

And WB let Snyder cook too much

 

[platocplx]

this movie should have been rated r and went in more. the pg-13 take was pretty dumb imo.

but whole film needed a lot of help. it really was a mess.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

Sounds like A LOT of these cut scenes are to reframe Harley & Joker. Reading this puts some of the film's later scenes with Harley in a better context of understanding too, and had otherwise felt a bit off to me.

I wish they stuck to the original interpretation of their relationship though as ts closer to the source material

 

[Killer Queen]

C'mon...WB execs may be a-holes but they are also professionals and have been making movies for a while. Although these scenes may help in fleshing out the back-story or give the plot more relevance, they were removed for a reason.

It's the same argument we heard when an extended version of the Hobbit was announced...the cut certainly helped but it also made an already boring movie a REALLY boring movie with just more plot.

The Hobbit's issue is it had too much, not too little. They stretched 3 movies out of something that at most could've been done in 2. They were removed to tone down the film but it also ruined some of the plot and I wouldn't really consider getting trailer editors to re edit the film a month or two before release "professional". I never said it would perfect the film, but it would definitely solve some of its issues.

 

[j0hnnix]

The truth is the movie force fed us characters that the end result I didn't care about. The only time I actually felt something for one character was

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Diablos history at the bar

that gave me feels for him. Other than that it was pointless venture, with music that felt completely out of place.. If you want music done correctly GOTG and even DeadPool.. This was a mess.

Right now I think the execs only see this as a cash cow..and sadly I threw my money at.

I even thought Leto's Joker could save this.. I was wrong.

 

[Astral Dog]

Still wouldn't have saved this movie.

No but it would had helped a lot :'(
Demented monsters they butchered Joker AND Harley

 

[Falchion]

Some of those sounds like they really flesh out the characters which would've been nice.

 

[FaintDeftone]

I keep seeing mentions of the Half in the Bag review. I watched it and noticed that they made fun of the film for Harley having a mysterious cell phone. Um... did you guys completely miss the whole sequence around the Joker threatening a prison guard in order to smuggle the phone in?

I really feel like critics are jumping on the hate train here. Given, I enjoyed the film yet had issues with it, but some of the complaints I'm seeing just baffle me.

 

[Skiptastic]

I watched the Half in the Bag review and they made fun of the film for Harley having a mysterious cell phone. Um... did you guys completely miss the whole sequence around the Joker threatening a prison guard in order to smuggle the phone in?

I really feel like critics are jumping on the hate train here. Given, I enjoyed the film yet had issues with it, but some of the complaints I'm seeing just baffle me.

Yeah, they totally forgot about that. But Harley

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laughing at the guard and saying, "You're so dead!"

never paid off, so it still sucks.

 

[otake]

It cannot be easy to finance a dark movie that revolves around villains for 4 years or so, only to have police brutality, terrorist attacks and Donald Trump running for president at release. I can't blame them for tinkering.

 

[JB1981]

I keep seeing mentions of the Half in the Bag review. I watched it and noticed that they made fun of the film for Harley having a mysterious cell phone. Um... did you guys completely miss the whole sequence around the Joker threatening a prison guard in order to smuggle the phone in?

I really feel like critics are jumping on the hate train here. Given, I enjoyed the film yet had issues with it, but some of the complaints I'm seeing just baffle me.

Yea I didn't love the movie, it has its fair share of problems but the movie wasn't even subtle about explaining how she got the cel phone.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

Yeah, they totally forgot about that. But Harley

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laughing at the guard and saying, "You're so dead!"

never paid off, so it still sucks.

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Joker was supposed to kill him for all that flirting with Harley but it got cut apparently

 

[Skiptastic]

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Joker was supposed to kill him for all that flirting with Harley but it got cut apparently

Not surprising.

 

[jmizzal]

Awaiting the extended cut.

Yes BvS extended cut help it out, tho I still like both movies

 

[Mass_Pincup]

None of that would have helped the ridiculous villian, the flat pacing, the zero chemistry between the SS, cardboard writing, and inconsistent casting.

Lol, a new cut won't help the pacing?

I think I've heard everything now

 

[Skiptastic]

I keep seeing mentions of the Half in the Bag review. I watched it and noticed that they made fun of the film for Harley having a mysterious cell phone. Um... did you guys completely miss the whole sequence around the Joker threatening a prison guard in order to smuggle the phone in?

I really feel like critics are jumping on the hate train here. Given, I enjoyed the film yet had issues with it, but some of the complaints I'm seeing just baffle me.

I think they just made a video addressing this miss.

 

[JackDT]

http://observer.com/2016/08/just-released-script-for-suicide-squad-deleted-scene/

VIOLA DAVIS
Thank you, Lieutenant. I want to build a team of some very bad people who I think can do some good

[She shows the room the files of THE SUICIDE SQUAD]

VIOLA DAVIS
(cont.)
These are the only people that will be able to handle the threats we’ll be facing in the future. First up, we have Captain Boomerang, world’s best bank robber.

GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL #2
Wait, so the Australian guy is named “Captain Boomerang”? And he uses a boomerang? Isn’t that kind of… racist? What, does he ride a kangaroo, too?

GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL #4
I mean, it’s not like he’s a stereotype of an Asian girl obsessed with some vague notion of “honor” or revenge. Like, could you even imagine how bad that would look? Like, like I mean if they made it seem like she didn’t speak English, so a white guy would talk for her the entire time, but then it turns out she does speak English. And they wouldn’t even give her a name—she’s go by like, “Nunchucks.” Haha jeez, I mean that would be bad. Captain Didgeridoo is fine.

VIOLA DAVIS
Can I get back to business?

GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL #2
Wait I have one more question. How did we get these guys?

VIOLA DAVIS
Excuse me?

GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL #2
I mean, they were in prison, in custody. Who caught them?

VIOLA DAVIS
Deadshot and Harley Quinn were apprehended by Batman, and Boomerang was brought in by The Flash.

GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL #4
We got those guys on the team, too, right?

VIOLA DAVIS
I don’t understand

GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL #2
Yeah, I mean those guys beat these villains that you’re saying are unbeatable. Why don’t we have a secret team with—I don’t know, Batman and The Flash, maybe some of the other heroes like Aquaman and Wonder Woman that you have files on right here?

VIOLA DAVIS
I want to build a team of some very bad people—

GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL #3
Yeah, you said that.

VIOLA DAVIS
—who I think can do some good.

GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL
Just… let her talk.

 

[moltonasty]

http://observer.com/2016/08/just-released-script-for-suicide-squad-deleted-scene/

This scene flows so much better in the script here than in the actual movie

 

[Gleethor]

http://observer.com/2016/08/just-released-script-for-suicide-squad-deleted-scene/

They could've avoided this whole thing if they had just gone the marvel route and made Katana a white dude.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Sounds like it would have been a much different film. Potentially a much better one.

That said, even in its Frankenfilm condition, SS is more interesting than majority of others in this exploding genre.