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[RUMOR] Suicide Squad List of Deleted Scenes, or "How Warner B-butchered the movie".
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I know Zack Snyder gets a lot of shit, but I personally think the results we've been getting is due to the WB executives. To his credit, Snyder actually wanted to make Man of Steel 2 before any team-up/crossover movies, but he was turned down in favor of BvS because the suits wanted to get the JL movie as fast as possible. Which ended up creating all the problems we see now.
So he at least recognized that a better connected had to be made from MoS to the broader DCEU that the one we got. I know Snyder's tone and direction is a bit odd, but I don't hold him completely responsible.
Killer Queen
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She doesn't really do too much tbh.
Smith, Davis, and Robbie do a good job making the best of poor material.
Leto isn't around enough to make a fair judgement, but he's not great.
Courtney and Hernandez are good in the few times they are given attention, but otherwise don't get much.
Develigne, Akinnuoye-Agbaje, and Fukuhara get hardly anything to work with and are non-entities for most of the film.
Kinnaman is Kinnaman.
The thought of adding a few more scenes(not all listed) and rearranging current ones would probably do this movie more justice. Odd because it's the beginning where it seems the most obvious they butchered it but I enjoyed that more than I did later parts.
I'll just wait for the fan edit or WB to cave and come out with the "Joker Cut"
I'll just wait for the fan edit or WB to cave and come out with the "Joker Cut"
Even stuff in BvS like those Justice League member teasers, you can tell those were more than likely added late in shooting and that they were just looking for a way to stuff them in the movie without having to re-shuffle anything. There's no way that stuff was in the original script. The only tease Snyder most likely intended was the Knightmare.
What would they even be reacting to with Wonder Woman? The complaints about Suicide Squad's editing? That would require them to stay their asses out of the editing room and they've proven they ain't about to do that.
Well I didn't expect WB to hire a marketing company to edit the actual movie, so I'm eagerly awaiting how else can they surprise us with WW!
The execs are just coming off as people that have no clue.
Well the sad fact is that WB put him basically in charge of the cinematic DC operation. The blame goes both ways. Suits fucked up by hedging all their bets on Snyder, and Snyder fucked up simply by being himself.
In the end, they never should have hired Snyder (and Goyer) for MoS in the first place, and they never should have chased after Avengers money.
Kibbles
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She was good up until the moment her character starts speaking another language. From that point on it's no bueno.
you take back your heathen statement about the greatest marvel movie ever made.
When was there ever a big, billion-dollar movie that was a fundamentally dark movie about horrible people you're supposed to sympathize with? Titanic, The Dark Knight Rises, Skyfall... none of these really fit. It's like asking why The Godfather and Scarface aren't the top-grossing films of all time.
I think the problem is assuming that such a film can be a hit in the same realm as even a B-string Marvel movie. And I don't necessarily see why that's bad, unless you're in the business of making massive hits.
Ars Technica's review about how Suicide Squad could have been some $10 million grind house film was right on the money. This was never going to do the numbers WB envisioned and pumped into it, but they kept going and then panicked when the audiences told them what they should have probably realized.
neurosisxeno
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It felt like a mashup of GotG and Deadpool to me, but lacked the charm of either film. They took what should have been a low budget ensemble anti-hero movie and tried to adapt it into a big budget summer blockbuster. It just didn't work.
Kayo Police
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Can't somebody use photoshop or something to enhance the small pic lol.
Killer Queen
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The OP is the exact same thing as what's in the picture.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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And I believe those pictures are from the trailers. Hell, even this rumor could be based of watching the trailer and jotting the lines. For all we know, they cut out many more scenes.
LegendofDragoonLives
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This shit is ridiculous. The bits with Joker/Harley being an abusive relationship is exactly how it is in every other format. What I just read from OP makes it more interesting. Instead, they focused more to make into some sort of love story. Boomerang bits would have been better as well. They're villains, push that more. Also generic villain aside, more parts of Flag and Enchantress in human form for me were absolutely necessary.
It looks like the studio is run by a bunch of fucking morons. I hope Ben has a clause where these clowns don't get to touch a single thing he does in his movie, or he is out of the DC universe. Gotta feel for Ayer when they make these many changes to his movie. Still a low RT rating despite the moves WB. Hold this L.
It looks like the studio is run by a bunch of fucking morons. I hope Ben has a clause where these clowns don't get to touch a single thing he does in his movie, or he is out of the DC universe. Gotta feel for Ayer when they make these many changes to his movie. Still a low RT rating despite the moves WB. Hold this L.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Maybe Geoff Johns will fix this movie on home release
I'm 20 mins from watching it.
I'm 20 mins from watching it.
Jason Frost
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Anyone has a higher resolution for it?
The Hermit
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Distiled truth right here.
Man of Steel was already a huge mistep, so trying to fix that ended up what we got.
Boogalogist
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Oh well... looks like yet another wait for the extended edition...
I enjoyed it, but more of Leto's joker was definitely not what it needed. It needed like three fewer origin stores, I hate that superhero films are mortally afraid of in media res, the entire film felt like build up and exposition. Chop out that first third and have more development between the characters and you have more room for humor as well. I do hope we get another one and it doesn't feel the need to add five more characters.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Doesn't that make the marketing a huge lie? I could swear I saw that footage all the way leading up to the movie.
ROUGE_BLOCK
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It depends how you do it, Joker can rig bombs, use a deadly gas on a timer, similar to what hes done multiple times. You just have crank up that stakes and make the villain fell threatening and give the audience a reason to get invested in story, the stakes and the villain. However Joker could have totally been one hell of an impactful villain, looked what Ledger's Joker did in the Dark Knight with literally a couple of bullets, knives and some cans of gasoline.
Problem here is that the evil witch and the CGI effect of doom are just thrown into the movie with no stakes, no build up just another random explosion machine which causes a bunch of explosions on the earth. This thing should have been scaled way back, but for some reason we have alien invasion Zod like doomsday scenario that is so foreign to the rest of the movie it leaves a huge gigantic scar in the narrative and ruins the movie. The suicide squad should not be saving the world just stopping some crazy dude from doing some really bad.
Raitosaito
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This definitely seems like an Ayer movie. I betchu there is no secret cut, and comes off like an Ayer film that isn't following some kind of template.
Fury was basically and an overtly dark Saving Private Ryan, and End of Watch was a chronicle/clover field take on a buddy cop movie.
Suicide Squad looked like a movie wanting to be something unique and somehow got stuck with no vision whatsoever.
Fury was basically and an overtly dark Saving Private Ryan, and End of Watch was a chronicle/clover field take on a buddy cop movie.
Suicide Squad looked like a movie wanting to be something unique and somehow got stuck with no vision whatsoever.
You are thinking of when she acts like her hands are guns. #16 is in the trailers.
starchild excalibur
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I like Ayer a lot as a director and I actually enjoyed Suicide Squad for the most part, but let's not pretend Ayer isn't capable of directing a shit film. Sabotage was an awful film and it lacked a lot of the criticisms that Suicide Squad is getting.
CassidyIzABeast
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The only thing on that list that would change anything for me is a better Killer Croc introduction. Him dropping nah shawty's and bruhs after barely talking came out of the blue at least for me. Footage of him prior to being thrown in jail would have helped on that front.
Other than that it would be the same movie just 20 minutes longer which would be more of a determent than a positive.
Other than that it would be the same movie just 20 minutes longer which would be more of a determent than a positive.
Most of that sounds dull, heavy handed or cringeworthy. Doubt it'll improve things much if included but at least might even out the real choppy editing.
My main takeaway is that DC are struggling to produce effective scripts and solid final cuts for their films. Almost all films have stuff cut exactly this this: extended, unnecessary additional character or exposition moments so it's perfectly normal. So nobody should be thinking this is odd and harming the films. A good film becomes a great film via good editing trimming out the fat.
The issue with BvS and SS is the core narrative and script being weak and messed from the get go.
Guess WB can use it in extended cut (which I'm sure will happen) to lure some double dipper fans.
My main takeaway is that DC are struggling to produce effective scripts and solid final cuts for their films. Almost all films have stuff cut exactly this this: extended, unnecessary additional character or exposition moments so it's perfectly normal. So nobody should be thinking this is odd and harming the films. A good film becomes a great film via good editing trimming out the fat.
The issue with BvS and SS is the core narrative and script being weak and messed from the get go.
Guess WB can use it in extended cut (which I'm sure will happen) to lure some double dipper fans.
spiderman123
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RLM said it the best. It felt as if there was a great movie ( I enjoyed it) but b/c WB suits cut and edit the movie the entire thing fell in disarray.
All the actors confirmed that they should an extraordinary amount of added footage and for what? So it can be sold to us on BLU RAY.
All the actors confirmed that they should an extraordinary amount of added footage and for what? So it can be sold to us on BLU RAY.
Films always shoot more than what is in the final cut, how is this news to you guys? Maybe it'd make the film better, but it's no guarantee. All we know here is someone didn't like the actual film and wrote a summary of cut stuff reflecting that
Frozenprince
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The Joker stuff was probably just too bloated to all fit in a movie that's not about the Joker.
The Slipknot stuff, well, that's typical hollywood "How do we let people know this guy is REALLY evil? I know, rape!"
The Slipknot stuff, well, that's typical hollywood "How do we let people know this guy is REALLY evil? I know, rape!"
And thus its good they cut it.
GravityInsanity
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Watching Half in the Bag review...
The WB execs seem waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of touch. We can say a lot of stuff about Marvel ones (Feige in particular), but at least they have a clear general direction to follow and are aware of what people like. These WB fools have absolutely no clue about nothing, they are just desperate for some of the MCU praise and constantly change everything to fit whatever it is they think is cool (and they are wrong 100% of the time). If they were not absurdly rich millionaires I would even feel some pity for them, but alas...
I'm expecting JLA to be full of lame jokes and Batman grunting all the time.
I'm expecting JLA to be full of lame jokes and Batman grunting all the time.
Scrooge McDuck
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I agree that the lack of threat is a problem, but that's a problem of how they depict the villain, rather than what the villain is. I believe a story about a bunch of criminals that are forced to survive an onslaught of grisly creatures in a magical mini-pocalypse could be tense, just like a story about a bunch of criminals that are forced to stop some crazy dude from doing something really bad could be tense. Those are completely different kind of stories, however, and I'm skeptical "just make a different movie" would have solved anything if the main issue was in the crafting.
I just read Entertainment Weekly's cover piece on Suicide Squad calling David Ayer a good choice for Warner Bros. because the movie studio is very "director first." LMAO
What on earth is happening. All I kept thinking was "Wow are there a lot of short scenes. Seems like such a waste to set up all that just to condense it for flashbacks."
What on earth is happening. All I kept thinking was "Wow are there a lot of short scenes. Seems like such a waste to set up all that just to condense it for flashbacks."
Glass Rebel
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I think it's time to bury this narrative when it comes to DCEU movies.
sammyCYBORG
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None of these scenes are related to the main story which means they wouldn't have improved it at all.
Plus, it would mean more of Leto's awful Joker, which would only hurt the film.
Plus, it would mean more of Leto's awful Joker, which would only hurt the film.
I'm sure a fan will do what they can with deleted scenes, but it doesn't sound like Ayer himself is doing one.
JimiNutz
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That's a shame. I would have liked to have seen the original cut get an official release.
neurosisxeno
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The main problem with BvS wasn't what they cut necessarily, it was more what they added to make JL happen within their newly established timeline. If you removed all the stuff building towards JL except the Knightmare sequence, add the deleted stuff, and re-arrange the scenes, there's a fairly good movie in there. Suicide Squad is just a mess all over the place, and the only scenes I can imagine would add anything are more Joker scenes.
broncobuster
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Don't exactly want to be defending the guy, but Green Lantern is famously its own mess brought on by studio meddling before his time.
But there's also plenty to be said about how this movie chooses to edit and frame itself, especially early on. The way it introduces Enchantress and uses her throughout the movie is a prime example. Starting the movie with Dr. Moon's possession like they seemingly intended atleast would have put some emphasis on her from the get-go, and maybe would've helped with that whole thread. Instead, introducing her as maybe a candidate for the Squad? But then not? Then... huh? That fucked the whole pace of that first act. Not to say the movie isn't without its other problems, but the problems go beyond the Joker stuff getting cut/re purposed.
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