The irony of this statement is almost tag worthy. Almost.
Rumor: Wii U final specs
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The irony of this statement is almost tag worthy. Almost.
Yeah for someone that doesnt understand tech.
We know the power consumption. We know glfop per watt for amd gpus. Its not that hard to do the math.
You have 40 watts to work with. The people saying 576 glfop were also saying the gpu would use 35 watts. That is now impossible...
Smh. You've just discounted the entire conversation you had with BG a couple pages back
Well the target specs are a rumor right? Just like the ign rumor that said Xbox would ship with 6670 and be only 20percent more powerful then wiiU. Or the one talking about two xboxs with two completely different hardware configurations?
Which rumors are to be trusted and which aren't? Which rumors may have been true for the time but no longer are now?
I remember that original ign 6670 thread where I was trying to rationally explain to certain people the danger in accepting such rumors at face value and was assaulted and now it looks pretty obvious that the next Xbox will have something better than a 6670.
The specs will be finalised I imagine because they'll be making these things as fast as the can. Not sure if Nintendo would do anything crazy like firmware overclock it after manufacture.
I guess it depends on whether it needs to stream those textures or not. For ports from current gen I don't think I'll be a problem even though due to the fast drive, assuming seek times are good enough.
The rules are:
A) if the rumour supports your opinion, it's fact.
B) if the rumour is smelly and ruins your theory, it's probably bullshit.
I know we're all working on this assumption but do we know if that number from Iwata was calculated during a graphically heavy title? As mentioned it could have been aimed low to sound better from a power usage perspective.
Either way, we really still don't know.
1TFLOP is my guess because it's a nice round number and Nintendo like round things.
There's a lot of info on this on the last two pages or so. Some think Iwata was saying the console consumes max 75w under max load, some think it's the max psu draw (meaning at most 60w is going to be supplied to the console, assuming a high of 80% efficiency). Lots of speculation.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
It is indeed one of those universal laws. Just like my opinions are the only logical conclusion. Since i'm logical not biased how could my conclusions be wrong.
Solid logic, that. Solid.
Target specs for Microsoft's console have not been outright leaked. They have for Sony's console. Those aren't a rumour.
USC-fan said:
Most of your conjecture in the past year is based on rumours, that's why the statement was ironic. Not because I "don't understand tech", and not because I can't do math. It needs to go both ways. A Sea Islands (GCN) chipset doesn't mean an 8970 is going into the PS4, for example.
Being VLIW-based means you have a basic indicator, not a fact btw. Just keep that in mind.
Nostremitus
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Aren't they also in love with multiples of 8? I'm guessing 512, lol.
Everyone is taking that 8xxx rumor as fact lol, and the 500-600GLOPS are from Bgassassin.
That would be running a game. Its right in the range it should be for a console with a 75w PSU. We have know about the psu spec since June. This is really nothing knew beside we have a better range for power consumption.
So BG is now a source? lol.
All we have on the ps4/720 are rumors. We have facts on the wiiu. We know the PSU specs, we know the power consumption, we know that its has an amd gpu, based on a r700 core, 45nm ibm cpu, 2 GBS of ram, bluray disc drive, flash drive and wifi.
With the power consumption it tells us sooo much. I have done the math in the thread and it doesnt match these rumors of a 500-600 gflop gpu.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
MadeInBeats
Banned
Fuck me, the most scientifically unsound postulation I've seen yet, and I've read a lot of USC-Fan's posts!
This is about as head fucking as a Shake & Bake fruit cake. My favourite. I love it. I'm going with this.
Everyone twigs sooner or later. Welcome to the club.
*Waits for the other's moment of clarity to kick in*
Nostremitus
Member
Are you certain that the final PSU is 75w? I mean, seems to me that demo units that were made before most of the devkit upgrades could be different than the final product. You're assuming that the specs have remained static since conception. That's flawed logic. You made up your mind as to what the only outcome could be a long time ago, and now you dismiss anything that doesn't fit your preconcieved notion. you are guilty of everything you're accusing other people of.
I don't know what the specs are, then again, I'm also not claiming to.
Multiple people confirmed the same.
And yeah you said "rumor = facts?" so the 8xxx is a rumor and shouldn't be taken as a fact. Nintendo always does interesting architecture with there consoles, the GameCube being the most noteworthy I'd say.
That is straight from Nintendo. 75w PSU and 40w power consumption. I am not guessing...
Who are these people?
Of course the 8000 is a rumor. But it does make a lot of sense and i have stated that a HSA design console would be a very smart move by sony or MS. These cards will be the first true HSA card out.
You right its doesnt matter because it not happening and never was....
actually no we don't. For all we know it could be the Wii U that has an 8xxx, in which case 600 GFLOPS would be a piece of cake at 25 watt. Obviously it doesn't, but the r700 core is still not confirmed
Staaaay on target. Keep the faith man, you'll get through eventually.
Let's all just agree its going to be a slightly gimped e6760, on a smaller die. Everyone else seems to be intent only reading/believing their own opinion. So I'm going to do the same. I refer to my previously posted rules.
Postulation:
Nintendo likes round things.
Evidence:
Kirby = Round
Samus morphball = Round
Pokeball = Round
Corollary Evidence:
1TFLOP = Round
Conclusion:
1TFLOP = confirmed
For the rcord, they (Iwata) did not mention PSU once.
Then please, by all means, post the specs and confirmation.
I forgot the names but I'm pretty sure Ideaman commented on it, you'll have to ask him though.
The thing is, is the GPU is coming out in 2013, the PS4/720 are coming out late 2013/early 2014 that would be expensive tech.
DragonSworne
Banned
But FLOPS are inheritantly spiky!
Nostremitus
Member
You aren't guessing, lying?
That's straight from Nintendo. He never once mentions the PSU, that's you trying way too hard to make his statement fit your argument by misquoting.
Edit: I'm not saying that it is one way or the other. But until you find me a more credible source to believe than Iwata, I'm going with what he tells me.
DragonSworne
Banned
USC-fan know what Iwata meant since Iwata is not an electerican.
Also, PSU should make it's way to WiiU. I could use some Phantasy Star on the Gamepad.
Refreshment.01
Member
Just read through the PSU disscussion. Some people scare the sh!t out of me. Really. I mean to the extent some people towed an argument just by the hairs to fit an agenda, and we are just talking about a toy here. I wonder to what extends they'll go in a compromising situation just to satisfy their ego and pretend they are right.
My take on the issue:
I took the Japanese transcript of the Iwata declaration in Nintendo Direct. Went to some online translators and the 75 W figure was always along the "nominal" adjective. In my experience when someone mentions "nominal" when talking about power consumption it referes to the PSU maximum output figure. Add to this that we have someone in the forum that cited the figure months ago and it tells you the most probable scenario is that the power brick is rated at 75W, and not the console peek. So i'll asume Iwata 40 W figure is typical power consumption under gameplay scenario.
But is too much to ask.
Lastly, god did Sweeny or whoever at Epic did a f*cking mistake by introducing us commoners to the term FLOP. That was one pandora's box that needed to stay closed.
My take on the issue:
I took the Japanese transcript of the Iwata declaration in Nintendo Direct. Went to some online translators and the 75 W figure was always along the "nominal" adjective. In my experience when someone mentions "nominal" when talking about power consumption it referes to the PSU maximum output figure. Add to this that we have someone in the forum that cited the figure months ago and it tells you the most probable scenario is that the power brick is rated at 75W, and not the console peek. So i'll asume Iwata 40 W figure is typical power consumption under gameplay scenario.
Or c) Be as objective as possible and use common sense.
But is too much to ask.
Lastly, god did Sweeny or whoever at Epic did a f*cking mistake by introducing us commoners to the term FLOP. That was one pandora's box that needed to stay closed.
We need to find that picture of the PSU again. Assuming it's the same in the final unit, wasn't that picture saying that the OUTPUT (As you suggested I think) was 75w. If so then the console could suck that much juice from the unit without breaking a sweat.
If that's the case, I'd go 1024 (1023 technically). After all that's 10 bits and 10 is an even, round, number too.
My logic is infallible.
OK, reading all those things, slowly, leads me to:
1) The Wii U can possibly consume 75 watts. That's not 75 watts drawn from the PSU, it's provided to the Wii U. Ergo the PSU draws more from that thing in the wall with holes.
2) That 75 will only be used with a shittonne of things plugged in like drives, controllers and what not
3) 40w depends on the game <- Note, this is the most important piece of information to my conclusion IMO
4) Energy saving is high on their list both physically and from a marketting point of view, so take his whole statement as such
My conclusion is that - we can't really draw any accurate conclusion about the GPU floppage. If we don't know what game that was and the conditions it was played under we could be 5, 10, 15 or whatever watts out.
cyen
Member
1 japanese watt = 10 american Watt
Wii U PSU is actually rated at 400w. AMD 8890 confirmed!
THE:MILKMAN
Member
I take it to mean that "75 watts electrical consumption" is the same as Sony's 190 watt power consumption.
Ergo 75W (and 190W) = PSU rating, not power at the wall.
We'll know for sure in a few weeks anyway........
Thrillhouse
Member
Isn't 40 W stupidly low and as a result we have to pay alot for that small box, that could have otherwise gone towards higher specs without increasing the price?
Yeah it's definitely a possibility. And it chimes with what Iwata was saying about the normal power consumption. No way in hell the PSU only draws 40w at normal usage levels. That would leave 25w-30w powering the console. It sounds much more plausible to me, that the console is drawing 40w under normal usage.
Indeed. Bits were all that the regular folk needed to parade around, bringing the technical to the non-technical is only grounds for a migraine reading threads like this.
USC-fan in this thread:
Haha.
brochiller
Member
Refreshment.01
Member
This is oh! so easy to resolve. Since some people don't want to be reasonable, let us just put the money on our mouths and bet. Maybe some steam games?
By no means im saying i hold the absolute truth but from what little evidence we have im sure 75W is the PSU rating.
Seems like this thread is back to where it were a few weeks back with the whole "is it a GPGPU or not". We know that particular fact now, but apparently that didn't matter.
Anway... serious question here:
What range of bandwidth should we expect Wii U's 32MB eDRAM to provide?
I know the final figure depends on certain variable, but perhaps answering in the following format would suffice:
"I would expect a MINIMUM of XXX GB/s eDRAM bandwidth. But it could realistically be as high as XXX GB/s."
Also, based on this Xbox 360 diagram:
Looking at that 32 GB/s bandwidth bus...How much could that bandwidth potentially increase if that "eDRAM" was sitting directly on the GPU?
Anway... serious question here:
What range of bandwidth should we expect Wii U's 32MB eDRAM to provide?
I know the final figure depends on certain variable, but perhaps answering in the following format would suffice:
"I would expect a MINIMUM of XXX GB/s eDRAM bandwidth. But it could realistically be as high as XXX GB/s."
Also, based on this Xbox 360 diagram:
Looking at that 32 GB/s bandwidth bus...How much could that bandwidth potentially increase if that "eDRAM" was sitting directly on the GPU?
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Why are still discussing this?
The gaffer who saw the PSU with their own eyes months ago reported the PSU was rated at 75W. That's output rating. PSUs are never rated in any other way. What it draws from the wall can only be measured by a watt-meter (or be calculated by those who designed the part).
Iwata said 'the console draws 75W at peak, 40W (or 45, don't remember anymore) typical'. That's what the device draws from its power source.
The supposition that somehow the above two mean that the console draws 75W from the wall, the nearest power plant, or the black hole in the centre of the galaxy, is something that only a certain GAF contingent can come up with.
JohnnySasaki86
Member
what you mean wrong. Its 1GB for games isn't it?
Error Macro
Member
Its 40 watts for everything in the console. You 10w for cpu, 25w gpu, 5w blu ray drive, 1 w wifi etc... It all adds up to 40w.
Very easy to understand...
p.s. I love ALF.
Off Topic: Who's your avatar? She reminds me of my niece.
What about the coffee maker? Since we're ignoring logic, I figured I'd ask.
Finally, official confirmation that AMD is supplying the gpu:
http://blogs.amd.com/play/2012/09/20/wii-u-changing-the-future-of-gaming-entertainment-with-proud-technology-partner-amd/
http://blogs.amd.com/play/2012/09/20/wii-u-changing-the-future-of-gaming-entertainment-with-proud-technology-partner-amd/
What if the disc isn't spinning, with no HDD attached, WiFi off, and playing NSMBU. What's that, close to 30W left for the GPU then?
And then you throw in CoD, or Mass Effect and what, it starts sucking more juice. Maybe 40W for the GPU? I don't know enough about these things but you sticking to this hard limit just seems wrong.
Nice find.