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Russia begins Invasion of Ukraine

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I know this most likely not happening but



Ill Be Back Jim Carrey GIF
 

Ozriel

M$FT


Poland training with 1st Infantry Division on Abrams after giving Ukraine all those T72s.


These former Soviet bloc states took the opportunity with open arms. Such a windfall to swap ageing Soviet armor for more modern US stuff.

I wonder if they’re still pushing to send their MiG 29s to Ukraine in exchange for NATO stuff
 

PCH

Neo Member
These former Soviet bloc states took the opportunity with open arms. Such a windfall to swap ageing Soviet armor for more modern US stuff.

I wonder if they’re still pushing to send their MiG 29s to Ukraine in exchange for NATO stuff
Stop spreading misinformation. First at all they training on Abrams cause they recently purchase 250 and training packages - for almost 5 billion $ not for free!
Here are the details.
As for MIG-29, they offer to give them for free as long as they be able to buy replacements fast and the handing over be done as whole NATO not just Poland. Official statement.
 
Im going to take this with a grain of salt until there's further confirmation. Iron Dome is very new & advanced and Im not sure Israel would want to run the risk of putting that tech out there like this with no strings attached.
Yeah, no confirmation for the Iron Dome so far.
Still, Israel were the ones blocking exports to Ukraine (the system is a joint research from them and the US, and the US apparently already gave approval) and from what I heard it was due to them wanting to stay "neutral", not because they were afraid it would fall into the wrong hands.
 

Ozriel

M$FT
Stop spreading misinformation. First at all they training on Abrams cause they recently purchase 250 and training packages - for almost 5 billion $ not for free!
Here are the details.
As for MIG-29, they offer to give them for free as long as they be able to buy replacements fast and the handing over be done as whole NATO not just Poland. Official statement.


No offense intended. Though my point is still valid for nations like Slovakia that sent their air defense systems.

You’ll also note that in that press release, Poland made no mention of buying US aircraft. They asked the us to send them Used aircraft
 

PCH

Neo Member
No offense intended. Though my point is still valid for nations like Slovakia that sent their air defense systems.

You’ll also note that in that press release, Poland made no mention of buying US aircraft. They asked the us to send them Used aircraft
Not true, S-300- from Slovakia- get their Patriot replacement as NATO boarder policing- its not a transfer, this Patriot battery is not given to Slovakia, its just temporary station there, soldiers operating it are not even from Slovakia(Germany, Netherlands and USA) Patriot system was purchased by Poland so there be few there permanently.2018 deal.
I am quite sure a statement of "Poland is ready to immediately establish the conditions of purchase of the planes. " speak for it self, there was not single mention of getting it for free. USA could also speed up the F-35 delivery to Poland, as they already purchase 2 squadrons. Deal.
Are you still going to claim these countries looking for freebies? In matter of fact, i fail to see a single "gift" to those countries from their western, richer, more powerful allies.
 

Tams

Member
Sadly very unlikely. Putin has spent decades packing the Duma with his loyal cronies. They have all made vast fortunes off his back. Fortunes that could be lost if anyone else was in power. They’ll protect him, no matter what happens in Ukraine. This doesn’t end with Putin being deposed or assassinated.
On the other hand, many will turn trail if he goes. And some can disappear. It's not like Putin cares much for their protection.

Some are idiotic enough to go near the frontlines. 'Tis a dangerous place.
 

Tams

Member
Anyone find it weird that they have to get offended by Russia, to do something. I read about their iron-dome and Ukraine at the start and they said no back then. Imagine the saved lives.
Israel have always only been in it for themselves. They are only tolerated by the West as they are the most competent and relatively moderate (heh) power there.

Jordan could have been an option to primarily story in the region, but they don't have a good strategic location at all, nor do they have the emotive cards to play that Israel do (I won't go into it anymore as I don't want to get banned).

Hit them with anything to do with Judaism though, especially the Holocaust, and they go ape shit; as Lavrov has just found out.

That's not to say other Western countries aren't selfish too, but nowhere near as much.
 
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GymWolf

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I think the US spends almost $60 Billions a year just for nuke maintenances, the total budget of Russia in military. Probably safe to say that most of their ICBMs are out of order especially with the corruption we’ve seen in their military so far.

But still… only takes a few to change a world..
Dafuq?
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
I'm not a big fan of streamer debate bro content, but on the subject of Ukraine, Destiny has been making very solid arguments in its defense from the start. I don't know why there are so many online pundits who are trying to low key justify Russia's imperialist crimes, but Destiny does a good job in countering this dude's weird worldview.

 

Ozriel

M$FT
Not true, S-300- from Slovakia- get their Patriot replacement as NATO boarder policing- its not a transfer, this Patriot battery is not given to Slovakia, its just temporary station there, soldiers operating it are not even from Slovakia(Germany, Netherlands and USA) Patriot system was purchased by Poland so there be few there permanently.2018 deal.
I am quite sure a statement of "Poland is ready to immediately establish the conditions of purchase of the planes. " speak for it self, there was not single mention of getting it for free. USA could also speed up the F-35 delivery to Poland, as they already purchase 2 squadrons. Deal.
Are you still going to claim these countries looking for freebies? In matter of fact, i fail to see a single "gift" to those countries from their western, richer, more powerful allies.

Again, no offense intended. I didn’t see that bit about ‘conditions of purchase’ which, as you say, indicates they are paying for them.

I also do not make these statements to denigrate the ex soviet countries and the ‘looking for freebies’ is an unfortunate mischaracterization of what I said. These countries are afterall transferring their crucial weaponry to Ukraine, so even getting replacement weapons back would not be a ‘freebie’.

I’m actually surprised there’s payment being made, tbh.

I appreciate the corrections, nonetheless.
 
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M1chl

Currently Gif and Meme Champion
I'm not a big fan of streamer debate bro content, but on the subject of Ukraine, Destiny has been making very solid arguments in its defense from the start. I don't know why there are so many online pundits who are trying to low key justify Russia's imperialist crimes, but Destiny does a good job in countering this dude's weird worldview.


Destiny is great, if he does not talk about other streamer bros. Thanks for posting.
 

Buggy Loop

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Yea, I actually was off, it’s $60B overall for the full program, which is maintenance, retiring, new ones, etc. Basically costs of maintaining nuclear arsenal.


They have to be rebuilt every 10 years or so.

Someone on reddit made a nice summary of the maintenance. If you don’t want duds, there’s no skipping on costs.

Just the COST to extract enough plutonium to replace the triggers on 6,000 weapons would be about 45 Billion a year, even at their reduced income standards. The US spends 60+ Billion annually to maintain their slightly smaller arsenal.

Then comes krytron switches, which must all be calibrated and linked. Just one failure, and the weapon will detonate improperly, at about 1/100th of its projected yield. These are expensive as hell, and requires teardown of the warhead and physical inspection/calibration.

The comes the tritium replacement. Every thermonuclear weapon made uses it, and it must be completely replaced on each warhead every 8 years. Dividing their arsenal by 8, they need to perform replacement on 800 warheads annually. This is ANOTHER 10.4 Billion annually.

If any of these tasks are not performed, or are performed improperly, the weapon is a very expensive pile of unusable junk. The warhead will fail to detonate, will “fizzle” (detonate, but at a tiny fraction of projected yield), or simply strike kinetically.

Thermonuclear weapons are touchy bastards, that require a tremendous amount of maintenance and money. Russia “may” be keeping these weapons maintained, but based on what we see from their ready military forces in Ukraine, they’d best not count on it.

So the US has a slightly smaller arsenal than Russia, and it costs thems tad under the entire Russian budget in military ($65B) to maintain the arsenal.

No amount of « Russian built for no maintenance » is going to bypass the nuke fundamentals of material degradation, not with the corruption seen. It’s a safe bet that their arsenal are in shambles.
 
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RJMacready73

Simps for Amouranth
Yea, I actually was off, it’s $60B overall for the full program, which is maintenance, retiring, new ones, etc. Basically costs of maintaining nuclear arsenal.


They have to be rebuilt every 10 years or so.

Someone on reddit made a nice summary of the maintenance. If you don’t want duds, there’s no skipping on costs.



So the US has a slightly smaller arsenal than Russia, and it costs thems tad under the entire Russian budget in military ($65B) to maintain the arsenal.

No amount of « Russian built for no maintenance » is going to bypass the nuke fundamentals of material degradation, not with the corruption seen. It’s a safe bet that their arsenal are in shambles.
After seeing how they went to War using an array of equipment straight out of Dads Army there's no way in hell their nuclear deterrent is sitting ready to go, id say 90% of their nukes are just for show at this stage given how utterly corrupt and incompetent the Russian army is, id dare say the West could probably take out the vast majority that actually did launch and those that managed to get through would probably land with a thud somewhere miles from their intended target... still only takes a single nuke to hit a major city to throw the world into chaos
 

Sakura

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After seeing how they went to War using an array of equipment straight out of Dads Army there's no way in hell their nuclear deterrent is sitting ready to go, id say 90% of their nukes are just for show at this stage given how utterly corrupt and incompetent the Russian army is, id dare say the West could probably take out the vast majority that actually did launch and those that managed to get through would probably land with a thud somewhere miles from their intended target... still only takes a single nuke to hit a major city to throw the world into chaos
Even if some of the nukes were duds, they could still launch them. The US wouldn't know which individual ones are actually going to go off or not, to shoot out of the sky.
I'd wager a lot of nukes could probably get through.
 

RJMacready73

Simps for Amouranth
Even if some of the nukes were duds, they could still launch them. The US wouldn't know which individual ones are actually going to go off or not, to shoot out of the sky.
I'd wager a lot of nukes could probably get through.
obvs the risks are simply too great, like i said a single nuked city would cost untold billions and completely change the face of the earth from a geopolitical standpoint as for those Russians do you honestly think some silos out in the middle of nowhere ran by your typical Russian alcoholic wifebeater has been maintaining the place or sinking what little money has managed to make its way to him on more booze? its more the sub nukes, those i imagine are the biggest problem over the land based ones
 

Sakura

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obvs the risks are simply too great, like i said a single nuked city would cost untold billions and completely change the face of the earth from a geopolitical standpoint as for those Russians do you honestly think some silos out in the middle of nowhere ran by your typical Russian alcoholic wifebeater has been maintaining the place or sinking what little money has managed to make its way to him on more booze? its more the sub nukes, those i imagine are the biggest problem over the land based ones
No I would be surprised if even half of Russia's nuclear arsenal was maintained and operational, but yeah you don't even need 1000 nukes, let alone close to 6000, to cause serious damage.
I think talks on the budget are somewhat misleading too. Sure, the US spends more on their arsenal, but a billion dollars on the Russian military goes a lot farther than a billion dollars on the US.
The subs as well, like you said, are pretty dangerous.
It's not something that I would want to roll the dice on.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
I think talks on the budget are somewhat misleading too. Sure, the US spends more on their arsenal, but a billion dollars on the Russian military goes a lot farther than a billion dollars on the US.
I don't think it's all that cut and dry with all the corruption, grift, and neglect going on in the Russian military, as has already been demonstrated by their poor showing in Ukraine.

It's not something that I would want to roll the dice on.
But yes, this is still true.
 
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Remember the theater that was marked as having children and the Ruskies bombed it anyway?



JFC…I expect it will be decades before there’s a semi-full accounting of all the atrocities committed here.
 
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M1chl

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Remember the theater that was marked as having children and the Ruskies bombed it anyway?



JFC…I expect it will be decade before there’s a semi-full accounting of all the atrocities committed here.

Sadly as much as Russian equipment sucks, those filthy Iskanders proved to be really effective. Fucking horrible.
 

Tams

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Even if some of the nukes were duds, they could still launch them. The US wouldn't know which individual ones are actually going to go off or not, to shoot out of the sky.
I'd wager a lot of nukes could probably get through.
I'd wager most of those that got through would be duds and cause minimal damage at most. And their sub fleet is not in great shape either.

A few would cause immense damage, but only lead to the US (and allies depending on many things) just outright invading Russia, with very few if any holds barred. And no one would be in any position to stop them, either physically or morally.
 
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rofif

Can’t Git Gud


Poland training with 1st Infantry Division on Abrams after giving Ukraine all those T72s.

they would swipe the russian old crap out of the map.
Thank you USA brothers who are in Poland !
edit: I know it's politics and so on but still this kind of help is appreciated :p
 
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rofif

Can’t Git Gud


What the fuck is wrong with Russians.

They are taught and shown over their whole lives that westerners are monsters, nazis and worst scum imaginable.
now they are told Ukrainians are like that.
They probably really think they are the good guys because of brainwashing propaganda and ignorance.

wtf they cut all fingers and penis off ?!
wtf is wrong with these idiots. I don't care if it's propaganda or now - Russia deserves to be parted and dismantled at this point....
 
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