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Russia begins Invasion of Ukraine

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PillsOff

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Milbloggers dominate the news cycle because they have sources on the ground.

We've seen this pattern repeat with the reliable ones: they say ukraine army is hitting that town, then a few days later you see the ukrainian flag flying on that town. Lots of soldiers have smartphones and send these bloggers photos and videos.

There's also the OSINT bros, some are reliable - they're even pooling money buying satellite imagery to follow the situation.

This is what reliable news is like in a modern war, journos are not going to be on the frontlines. You want the freshest news, you check twitter or telegram.
Yeah. Noone would ever lie or skew anything just the freshest fucking news from "on the ground", so no prove needed.
All true, all definitely happened as described...
Just take your fucking news n run with it
How you can u possibly believe that?

It is bout same level of insanity as taking Russian propaganda as truth
 
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thuGG_pl

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Yeah. Noone would ever lie or skew anything just the freshest fucking news from "on the ground", so no prove needed.
All true, all definitely happened as described...
Just take your fucking news n run with it
How you can u possibly believe that?

It is bout same level of insanity as taking Russian propaganda as truth
The thing is we get confirmations for most of them. For example, rumour that Lyman is being encircled. Two days later Russian ministry confirms that they retreated :D
 
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nemiroff

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Yeah. Noone would ever lie or skew anything just the freshest fucking news from "on the ground", so no prove needed.
All true, all definitely happened as described...
How you can u possibly believe that?
Every few days someone like you waltz into the thread and immediately start acting patronizing as fuck. I can't remember many times in this thread that we've been wrong, and wrong without correcting ourselves. So, what's your goal here?
 

Brazen

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Just take your fucking news n run with it

Ground-up information with verifiable coordination and confirmation photos isn't propaganda and hasn't been when looking back in hindsight, top-down information from a certain state media is full on 100% propaganda. There is your difference.
 

Bitmap Frogs

Mr. Community
Yeah. Noone would ever lie or skew anything just the freshest fucking news from "on the ground", so no prove needed.
All true, all definitely happened as described...
Just take your fucking news n run with it
How you can u possibly believe that?

It is bout same level of insanity as taking Russian propaganda as truth

I think photos of ukrainian soldiers on a town square stomping on the russian rag are very good news, but you do you.
 

PillsOff

Banned
You'll get no nuanced discussion in here. Just a pile on by the gold cloaks and hanger ons.
Seems like. But if it is how many people treating it... Like it is just a fucking spectacle for cheap virtue points... it will make people blind.
And this conflict is already beyond just Russia n Ukraine.
It seems to morph into massive economic attack on the west puppeteered by china.
that means danger of it is already at everyone's door.

Not a good time for detaching your self from reality. Like really fucking NOT
 
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Bitmap Frogs

Mr. Community
Good news all arround!!
This has been a total disaster for russia. At this point I can only see a way out of this mess. Putin friends turn out on him by killing or arrest him and then put all the blame on this hittler wanna be.

I don't think we'll see a coup anytime soon, but that's just my uninformed opinion.
 

rofif

Can’t Git Gud

I find these news hard to comprehend.
5k Russians here, 25k there, thousands of sq kilometres… and any videos we ever see just show like a guerrilla groups of 5 to 10 Ukraine soldiers on foot shooting in a forest or standing over 1 destroyed tank or 2 dead Russians. I know there are way more videos but none shows thousands of lost men and tanks

I just have trouble understanding the scale.
And it’s impossible to judge wins and losses because each side colours the data
 
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Kenpachii

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Good news all arround!!
This has been a total disaster for russia. At this point I can only see a way out of this mess. Putin friends turn out on him by killing or arrest him and then put all the blame on this hittler wanna be.

I expect this to happen sooner rather then later.
 

GladiusFrog

Member
I find these news hard to comprehend.
5k Russians here, 25k there, thousands of sq kilometres… and any videos were ever see jest show like a guerrilla groups outs 5 to 10 Ukraine soldiers on foot shooting in a forest or stranding over 1 destroyed tank or 2 dead Russians.

I just have trouble understanding the scale.
And it’s impossible to judge wins and losses because each side colours the data
From what I've gathered, & Take this with a grain of salt; The Russian forces have been isolated in the kherson region. Ukrainian raids and precision strikes have depleted RU forces ammunition, supplies and armor.

5k soldiers aren't much use without ammo to fire with, thus a smaller well armed force can round them up because they are de-fanged.

Just my guess. 🤷‍♂️
 

Kenpachii

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If there are only a few ways to get through, u can probably just isolate them pretty easily and block huge army's with minimal soldiers.
 
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Bitmap Frogs

Mr. Community
I find these news hard to comprehend.
5k Russians here, 25k there, thousands of sq kilometres… and any videos we ever see just show like a guerrilla groups of 5 to 10 Ukraine soldiers on foot shooting in a forest or standing over 1 destroyed tank or 2 dead Russians. I know there are way more videos but none shows thousands of lost men and tanks

I just have trouble understanding the scale.
And it’s impossible to judge wins and losses because each side colours the data

As far as I understand the situation, the Ukrainians first attempted to do a big push to bulldoze a path splitting the area in 3, but the defenses were veeery organized. They managed to secure a large-ish bridgehead, but they got mauled in the process. After that, they switched to a very conservative style of warfare, trying to minimize losses. Since the logistics are kinda fucked because Ukraine has been shelling river crossings, they're also gambling on lack of resources grinding down the combat effectiveness of the russians.

Part of the problem is the land is flat in that area so if you can be seen you will be killed (no cover).

This is my understanding.
 
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Mokus

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Yeah. Noone would ever lie or skew anything just the freshest fucking news from "on the ground", so no prove needed.
All true, all definitely happened as described...
Just take your fucking news n run with it
How you can u possibly believe that?

It is bout same level of insanity as taking Russian propaganda as truth
What do you want here? Yesterday's news to get bored? It takes one or two days until the mainstream media catches up, with a very dynamic war through official channels. Once we eliminated in the beginning the self glorifying Russian news, the rest of the updates since February are proving quite reliable. We accept that often they can be wrong or propaganda. But after 7 months you don't have to teach us about that, we were not born yesterday.
 

PillsOff

Banned
What do you want here? Yesterday's news to get bored? It takes one or two days until the mainstream media catches up, with a very dynamic war through official channels. Once we eliminated in the beginning the self glorifying Russian news, the rest of the updates since February are proving quite reliable. We accept that often they can be wrong or propaganda. But after 7 months you don't have to teach us about that, we were not born yesterday.
By the look of it people here have some caricature idea of this conflict.
N many seem to see it just as a local conflict missing the point of what is going on in its entirety
 
I find these news hard to comprehend.
5k Russians here, 25k there, thousands of sq kilometres… and any videos we ever see just show like a guerrilla groups of 5 to 10 Ukraine soldiers on foot shooting in a forest or standing over 1 destroyed tank or 2 dead Russians. I know there are way more videos but none shows thousands of lost men and tanks

I just have trouble understanding the scale.
And it’s impossible to judge wins and losses because each side colours the data
Ukrainians want little to no footage of the war now to give up info.
 

PillsOff

Banned
Please, Inform me.
Bored GIF
I touched on this a bit in my earlier post.
But this conflict morphing into economic attack on the west puppeteered by China is just a part of it

To inform you competently and in a way that is satisfactory requires an article size post which is too much work for convincing a group of people that just want to treat it (as i already said earlier) like a specticale for cheap virtue points.
 

Mokus

Member
By the look of it people here have some caricature idea of this conflict.
N many seem to see it just as a local conflict missing the point of what is going on in its entirety
What do you mean by the entirety? The thread did went on the side ways and started to become too political, but it was stopped.
 

GladiusFrog

Member
I touched on this a bit in my earlier post.
But this conflict morphing into economic attack on the west puppeteered by China is just a part of it

To inform you competently and in a way that is satisfactory requires an article size post which is too much work for convincing a group of people that just want to treat it (as i already said earlier) like a specticale for cheap virtue points.
Look, I've got the time.. go ahead please. Inform me, I'm genuinely interested in your take.
 

Mokus

Member
I touched on this a bit in my earlier post.
But this conflict morphing into economic attack on the west puppeteered by China is just a part of it

To inform you competently and in a way that is satisfactory requires an article size post which is too much work for convincing a group of people that just want to treat it (as i already said earlier) like a specticale for cheap virtue points.
Ok, now I see. The thing is, this thread is about the Russia's war against Ukrainian and almost nothing else. The China vs US/West "world domination" thing in the bigger picture is an entirely new topic and it would need its own thread. But I doubt it would be as popular like the ongoing war with daily updates.
 

PillsOff

Banned
Look, I've got the time.. go ahead please. Inform me, I'm genuinely interested in your take.
I'll try to compose it when i'll have some free time of my own.
Due to emotions flying high in this tread, it will require careful n well thought out form to have a chance to be understood. But i live both in the US n Russia, Lived in Ukraine for a while n actually can provide fuller understanding of what the fuck is going on beyond this being a tragedy of gigantic proportion which is what it is sadly
 
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Tams

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Something I've noticed from watching footage from the offensive.
The Ukrainians deploy old school Calvary style raids in Humvees like Calvary raids from the 19th century, where they circle around in the Humvees and fire off suppressive fire and shoot RPGs and get the hell out of dodge.

Mad Lads.:messenger_horns:
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WW2 formative SAS style raids in the Sahara too.

Drive through on light vehicles armed to the teeth, firing everything as you go and then disappearing like ghosts.
 

Tams

Member
Yeah. Noone would ever lie or skew anything just the freshest fucking news from "on the ground", so no prove needed.
All true, all definitely happened as described...
Just take your fucking news n run with it
How you can u possibly believe that?

It is bout same level of insanity as taking Russian propaganda as truth
Of course there are hot takes, errors, misinterpretations, and just outright lies and propaganda.

But quite a lot of the time, those military bloggers have been right.

News agencies of course have higher standards, and pretty much only get information that Ukrainian (and Russian - but you can't trust any of that now) authorities give or allow access to. There are a fair few journalists being taken to frontline positions. The Ukrainian authorities have had to reduce the amount of information though due to unintended leaks by journalists.

I do wonder where you are getting 'better' information, which you seem to be alluding to having. Or is it you just don't know? In which case, why even bother coming to this thread?
 

nemiroff

Gold Member
Due to emotions flying high in this tread, it will require careful n well thought out form to have a chance to be understood. But i live both in the US n Russia, Lived in Ukraine for a while n actually can provide fuller understanding of what the fuck is going on beyond this being a tragedy of gigantic proportion which is what it is sadly

Here we go with the patronizing shit again.. You know fuck all about those of us who frequent this thread and our/their experiences with Ukraine (and ruzzia). Some people here are IN the war RIGHT NOW! "I can provide a fuller understanding".. fuck off with that crap.
 
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ItsGreat

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And here comes another patronizing asshole with a thinly veiled dig.., and which interestingly got offended earlier in the thread when someone wished for the raping and torturing orcs to die.

Don't try and be clever with what was said earlier in thread.

I was accused of being a west hating rape apologist for thinking about the futility of war.

So as I said. No room for nuanced discussion as you just get piled on.
 

GladiusFrog

Member
Don't try and be clever with what was said earlier in thread.

I was accused of being a west hating rape apologist for thinking about the futility of war.

So as I said. No room for nuanced discussion as you just get piled on.
I mean, you haven't added anything other than drive-by posting... maybe.. I don't know post something of substance and perhaps a discussion will occur?
 

nemiroff

Gold Member
Don't try and be clever with what was said earlier in thread.

I was accused of being a west hating rape apologist for thinking about the futility of war.

So as I said. No room for nuanced discussion as you just get piled on.

What the fuck do you want to discuss, and why do you have to "discuss" it right now, right here? You just cannot wait until things calm down?? Do you want to speak to the Ukrainian refugee I have in my house right now and force feed her your "balance", your "NUANCE", and your "philosophies"??? Do you want me to record a video of her crying about her friends and family in Nova Kakhovka (a city I've visited countless times over the last 15 years btw) that wasn't able to flee?? Maybe I and she isn't "INFORMED" enough about the situation??
 

MrA

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Why are the oligarchs putting up with this? their fortunes are vanishing putin might accident them to death at the drop of a hat, all projection of strength are gone, what does putin have on them that keeps them from giving him the Julius Cesar or atleast a Joseph stalin
 

nemiroff

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another encirclement coming!


The Ukrainian army is just 50 km from my mother-in-law's occupied hometown.. Holy shit we're biting nails here tonight..

BTW, she's an anesthesiologist at the local hospital and treated countless ruzzian soldiers before she fled.. Recently the ruzzians have been kidnapping doctors there and no one knows where they are.
 
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TransTrender

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So is Russia the longest play of "Communism" in the world today?

Like China feels way less Communist the times I've been there compared to the second hand feedback on Russia.
 

Lasha

Member
Seems like. But if it is how many people treating it... Like it is just a fucking spectacle for cheap virtue points... it will make people blind.
And this conflict is already beyond just Russia n Ukraine.
It seems to morph into massive economic attack on the west puppeteered by china.
that means danger of it is already at everyone's door.

Not a good time for detaching your self from reality. Like really fucking NOT

China already performed a massive economic attack on itself with the one two punch of its zero covid policy and complete mismanagement of the local banking sector. China definitely wants nothing to do with this war because it's entire house of cards is based on selling shit to Europe and america.
 

Tams

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Don't try and be clever with what was said earlier in thread.

I was accused of being a west hating rape apologist for thinking about the futility of war.

So as I said. No room for nuanced discussion as you just get piled on.
Because your opinion of war is deeply naïve. That's why you got piled on.
 
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