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Ryse: Son of Rome |OT| Are You Not Entertained?!
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It sounds like you may be slightly confused yourself on this. In-engine can just as easily mean real-time. There are games which use video files of game assets, but they aren't being rendered in real-time. In-engine is a less specific description, as it can be real-time or not. From my understanding, "in-engine" used to refer to real-time, but many studios began mixing both methods, and you end up with situations like the Uncharted games where many of the story scenes are described as "in-engine" even when they're pre-rendered videos being played off the game media. If something is specifically being described as "real-time" (in-engine or otherwise), that means every element is being computed and displayed frame-by-frame on-the-fly, which means camera angles or (for example) costumes could be changed by player input.
Based on the data size of Ryse, I'd imagine they used a similar solution of mixing both real-time and pre-rendered scenes of game assets to mask load times.
Yes, exactly. That was the point I was trying to make, sorry. The cutscenes are in-engine, but they are NOT being rendered in real-time, as Senjutsu himself has stated that there are elements that are precalculated.
The Uncharted cutscenes are what I expect Ryse cutscenes to be. Technically in-engine, but still pre-calculated and pre-rendered.
CassidyIzABeast
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How is that possible? I've been told over and over again, that there is no way Ryse's cutscenes are realtime.
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How is that possible? I've been told over and over again, that there is no way Ryse's cutscenes are realtime.
Must be pre-rendered gameplay.
Okay that joke works on both ends
Steverulez
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Holy shit, incredible.
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God-like. Fucking love it.
SenjutsuSage
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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-crytek-the-next-generation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK8rF257WwE#t=2m17s
He explains their support for alembic, which allows them to import Hollywood style alembic files from VFX companies, and a game development artist on beyond3d suggested that's how they pulled off the water in the opening cutscene of Ryse.
#4223
New Ryse impressions:
"One of the glaring issues with the early demos of the game was the scripted combat, which has been addressed with the removal of the QTE floating button and replaced with a small skull to indicate that you can trigger an execution. The executions are quite striking, with detail down to the expression on the poor souls face, after you have just plunged your sword into his neck. It is worth bearing in mind that these execution sequences are optional; the player is more than welcome to not press the dedicated execution button (RT) following the prompt, but I found myself wanting to do this to most of the enemies as it was so satisfying. There is nothing better than queuing up more than one enemy for a double execution, its the goriest kill you will see on Xbox launch day."
"The lack of depth in combat has also been replaced with a challenging but rewarding system, not dissimilar to those featured in the God of War series or the Batman Arkham trilogy. The familiar press X to swing sword was present along with Y for a secondary attack; in this case a bash with the shield. However, it was the fluidity of the defence system that really won me over. Pressing A in the direction of an incoming attack would block that combatant and if timed correctly, leave the enemy open for a counter. The ability to chain together sword and shield attacks whilst blocking blows from a group of enemies really helped me feel like a skilled gladiator. Other noteworthy additions to the combat system include, the ability to slow down play for a short period of time, allowing you to escape some tricky situations. As well as select certain attributes, such as gaining a small amount of health after each execution."
http://www.16bitkings.com/xbox-one-h...son-of-rome-2/
New Ryse impressions:
"One of the glaring issues with the early demos of the game was the scripted combat, which has been addressed with the removal of the QTE floating button and replaced with a small skull to indicate that you can trigger an execution. The executions are quite striking, with detail down to the expression on the poor souls face, after you have just plunged your sword into his neck. It is worth bearing in mind that these execution sequences are optional; the player is more than welcome to not press the dedicated execution button (RT) following the prompt, but I found myself wanting to do this to most of the enemies as it was so satisfying. There is nothing better than queuing up more than one enemy for a double execution, its the goriest kill you will see on Xbox launch day."
"The lack of depth in combat has also been replaced with a challenging but rewarding system, not dissimilar to those featured in the God of War series or the Batman Arkham trilogy. The familiar press X to swing sword was present along with Y for a secondary attack; in this case a bash with the shield. However, it was the fluidity of the defence system that really won me over. Pressing A in the direction of an incoming attack would block that combatant and if timed correctly, leave the enemy open for a counter. The ability to chain together sword and shield attacks whilst blocking blows from a group of enemies really helped me feel like a skilled gladiator. Other noteworthy additions to the combat system include, the ability to slow down play for a short period of time, allowing you to escape some tricky situations. As well as select certain attributes, such as gaining a small amount of health after each execution."
http://www.16bitkings.com/xbox-one-h...son-of-rome-2/
Miles Quaritch
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Holy crap, that looks incredible.
I really can't wait to see this first hand and actually play it...
PumpkinPie
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Ryse: Son of Rome |OT| It's-a me, Marius!
Totally hyped for this now. I think Ryse and Forza will be my launch games.
Totally hyped for this now. I think Ryse and Forza will be my launch games.
Wishmaster92
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Rey
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Oh wow..
hey_it's_that_dog
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Just watched some of the gamespot steam today and I have to hand it to Crytek, those environments look fucking stellar.
The non-fodder characters look good too, but as a personal matter of taste I think photorealistic humans are boring as fuck no matter how real they look. Moreso for Marius than Nero. The further they deviate from generic man the better.
I guess I can't really tell from a stream, but I think 900p is a complete non-issue in this case.
The non-fodder characters look good too, but as a personal matter of taste I think photorealistic humans are boring as fuck no matter how real they look. Moreso for Marius than Nero. The further they deviate from generic man the better.
I guess I can't really tell from a stream, but I think 900p is a complete non-issue in this case.
You guys have no idea what you're talking about do you...lol.
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Game should use it more often.
Btw You need to gif where there are more than 100 units on screen.
After all the launch titles I really wanted got moved back, this is the ONE game that I wanted to play that was left. It looks pretty damn cool, but I can't justify any console purchase (I cancelled my PS4 pre-order, didn't pre-order XBone) at this time. I really hope it turns out well. I'd like to play it someday.
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What in the entire f**k??
HawksWinStanley
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Sooooo were those scathing GameInformer impressions based off of an older build? Or are we just looking at two opposite opinions of the same gameplay? Because this seems to go completely against it what that dude said...
SenjutsuSage
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If so, then you and the people who made this game are in strong disagreement. Crytek explicitly say that the cutscenes aren't pre-rendered. They may have some impressive tricks or two up their sleeves to pull off effects that normally wouldn't be possible if calculated in real-time, but they manage to get some of those calculations or effects into their game in real-time. The few pre-calculated elements of real-time rendered scenes don't automatically qualify the whole scene as pre-rendered.
I think you even see that same water used during the opening cutscene of Ryse during actual gameplay at 11:21 http://www.twitch.tv/microsoftstudios/b/477303820 running around some dead bodies in the water. The difference in this instance, though, I think, is that it isn't fully interactive, at least not there it isn't.
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ScepticMatt
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So .. Crytek are still the 'graphix kingz' it seems.
Tech level: divine
Tech level: divine
BotoxAgent
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Alright, gonna watch some Gladiator tonight and get myself hyped for this game. Let's do this!!
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ngghhhhh too much stuff on day1 i can't get this one too
ARGGGGGHHHH
Ok, this literally made me laugh!
SenjutsuSage
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I'm definitely planning to do the same, and probably toss in Troy also. Some of Marius' moves look straight out of Troy.
LordBaztion
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This is definitelly the first game I'm playing after the day one update.
BotoxAgent
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Yes! Troy is one of my favorite movies. And if I have time, I'll toss in 300 for good measure.
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Reminds me that Lost Odyssey transition from FMV to gameplay but now it's real time to real time and looks more impressive ;D
Brown Intruder
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Precalculated means something other than what you're suggesting here. With what we've heard with almost all of this material, it's rendered and animated on the fly. Some actions (like collapsing stonework) are using predetermined "events" for their motion (the same way motion capture for characters would work), but it's still real-time execution. Unless you'd make the point that any character animation in any game's story scene can't be considered real-time. Also, this:
Precalculated means something other than what you're suggesting here. With what we've heard with almost all of this material, it's rendered and animated on the fly. Some actions (like collapsing stonework) are using predetermined "events" for their motion (the same way motion capture for characters would work), but it's still real-time execution. Unless you'd make the point that any character animation in any game's story scene can't be considered real-time. Also, this:
Hnnnng.
Do want.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
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This game have a different review embargo date than the other One games? If so... can't be good.
I think Forza 5 does too...and I expect it to score well.
StudioTan
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They spread out their 3 big games over the week. Dead Rising was today, console is tomorrow, Forza is Wed and Ryse is Thurs. They didn't want all the reviews to come out today and then nothing for the rest of the week leading up to launch.
hey_it's_that_dog
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I doubt anything changed radically since the GI impressions. I think we're going to see a wide range of opinions on this game and the crucial point of divergence will be between reviewers who felt empowered by the combat system's simplicity and those who felt it was shallow, repetitive, and boring.
As a melee combat genre lover, I'm going to listen to those who assess its depth and ignore those who felt empowered merely by being able to successfully mix blocking and attacking.
nelsonroyale
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Precalculated means something other than what you're suggesting here. With what we've heard with almost all of this material, it's rendered and animated on the fly. Some actions (like collapsing stonework) are using predetermined "events" for their motion (the same way motion capture for characters would work), but it's still real-time execution. Unless you'd make the point that any character animation in any game's story scene can't be considered real-time. Also, this:
That doesn't necessarily indicate that all the cutscenes are real time, which I somewhat doubt that they are. Not that it really matters though, I have no real criticisms for the visuals of the game as a launch title. It looks absolutely stellar and it would be day 1 if I had an Xbone.
I'm most likely not going to buy Ryse until later on, but I very much feel like it's similar to Batman. Maybe not as well rounded combat wise, but that's up in the air for 99% of us right now.
I can win nearly any normal battle in Batman (any of them) with only two buttons. Only one button if the enemies are just your regular thugs. Heck, I can win nearly any fight with just attack and a spin of the cape. Obviously I can string things together and make it more complicated/smoother if I want, but button mashing works outside of harder settings.
The ground knockouts (finishers) are the same thing every time too. Counter button + crouch. You can't fail it, and it carries out the action on its own...just like in Ryse. Granted, I think Ryse has the upper hand in varied "finishers" with over 100...correct me if I'm wrong on any of that. (I own and have played all 3 batman games).
I can win nearly any normal battle in Batman (any of them) with only two buttons. Only one button if the enemies are just your regular thugs. Heck, I can win nearly any fight with just attack and a spin of the cape. Obviously I can string things together and make it more complicated/smoother if I want, but button mashing works outside of harder settings.
The ground knockouts (finishers) are the same thing every time too. Counter button + crouch. You can't fail it, and it carries out the action on its own...just like in Ryse. Granted, I think Ryse has the upper hand in varied "finishers" with over 100...correct me if I'm wrong on any of that. (I own and have played all 3 batman games).
Updated the OT with those two new videos from XboxUK.
Yeah, but it's strange that they didn't decide to hide it amongst the other reviews if they knew it was bad. Maybe both Microsoft and Crytek got faith in the title.
Forza 5 also got it's own date.
Yeah, but it's strange that they didn't decide to hide it amongst the other reviews if they knew it was bad. Maybe both Microsoft and Crytek got faith in the title.
Forza 5 also got it's own date.
hey_it's_that_dog
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But the Arkham games are also well-rounded metroidvanias. Would you enjoy the Arkham games if they were 100% focused on combat and it was just one room of bad guys after another? I don't think anyone would have given them a second thought if that were the case.
It's incredible no doubt.
I don't care if it scores 2-5 across the board. I can tell just by looking at it that it is something I'll personally enjoy. Because I love ancient Rome, gladiators and action games in general and this looks like it more than fits that bill. Hell, I even have fun with games like Golden Axe: Beast Rider and this surely will be better than that. These kinds of games never get old for me.