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S.T.A.L.K.E.R 2 not running well on Xbox Series X, according to early impressions
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Have we really reached the point of teasing RTX 3080s?
Damn GAF get serious.
Damn GAF get serious.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
The 360/PS3 era was a gold mine, It seemed every game had a demo. Even $10 indie games had trials. Then it all disappeared the following gen where they were barely released.
It cant be that hard to release a demo. But then it made sense when people would say a long time a go that it's better for them not to release a demo because there's a good chance it'll show gamers what a shit game it is. So better to not do it and hope gamers buy it blind on launch day at full price.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Its a waste of resources.
The game will run at reasonable framerates on pretty much any modern GPU/CPU combo, thats what the settings menu is for, you set it up for what your hardware can do.
Alot of PC gamers seem to think if you arent running the game at max settings you arent actually playing the game.
But some games are literally future targeting and max settings is impossible with current hardware.
Which is a good thing, the next generation of CPU/GPUs should still have something that can stress them out.
Mister Wolf
Member
Newest tactic of hurt Pro owners. Them DF videos exposing PSSR flaws took the jam out of their donut
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
I cant remember the article but devs said demos were a waste of resources that could have been spent on basically completing the game.
Why spend months on a demo when you could use that time and those devs to work on the main game.
If the demo is like the first hour of a game the way EA does it, then yeah sure, but effectively the game is actually finished you are just putting a timelimit on the user until they give you money.
But these are also not very good because lets say your game has a slowish start, users might just say well this game aint that good because chapter one doesnt have that much combat, the trailers showed me cool combat or whatever.
When youve paid for a product you are much more likely to stomach the slow start to get to the good stuff, if you haven't paid for it, that slow start will just put you off ever spending money.
How exactly would you even make a demo for a STALKER game?
Senua
Member
I've never seen a breakdown quite like XXL's, it's one for the GAF ages.
Nitty_Grimes
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
Game pass is the demo. Download it, don’t like it, delete it - no £70 up front is lost.
GHG
Member
Pretty much none of the guys who behave all bitter and butthurt over the Pro have top of the line hardware. That's a large part of the reason why they behave the way they do.
Saw the same shit when the 4080 and 4090 prices got revealed, people hurling abuse at the people who were buying them. Take a look through that page I linked and you'll see what I mean.
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Senua
Member
I am not shitting on the pro at all, all I shit on is defensive fanboys like XXL who cannot handle criticism of their new device. All products are open to criticism, he constantly tries to shut discourse down and has become a petty troll. It's weird because before the Pro release I don't remember him behaving like this. The Pro is a good device for people who want a more powerful Playstation 5 experience, that's the end of it.
FalconPunch
Gold Member
Nope the RTX 3080 10gb is expired sauce. Even the 4080 I have is now struggling in some games. If you want to play at max settings 1080p with RT, many games won’t even give you 60 fps without DLSS. Cyberpunk, AW2, etc. It’s very poor. Even the 4090 can only give you approximately 60 fps at 1080p cyberpunk RT overdrive. If the 4090 gives you 1080p60, all other GPUs below 1080p60 are trash.
Now why is this happening? Because devs are being lazy and pushing for RT to reduce their work and save money on development. That’d be fine if they passed the savings onto the buyers but they’re inflating their balance sheet with that money. Look at AW2 using RT to show your reflection in the mirrors. No RT, no reflection. Funny thing is that I’m playing Mafia 2 and it has your reflection in the mirror with no RT…. Wow, I wonder what magic previous devs used… its called planar reflections.
Mister Wolf
Member
You know you can just turn down the settings. Settings that are typically much higher than the consoles equivalent settings even when lowering a tier.
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FalconPunch
Gold Member
When I spend $1500 on just a GPU, you best believe I’m not turning down settings. Yes sure on a $299 Rtx 4060, you turn down all the settings you want. As we’re speaking now, the Rtx 4090 is no longer a 4k GPU. It’s a 1440p GPU. In UE5 games, you can’t even guarantee 4k60.
For me, the only reason to play on pc is to play at max settings. Pc is perhaps the worst way to play games. That is, if you just want to game. Keyboard and mouse are only good for fps and rts. Controller is superior for everything else. The games on pc are more buggy, have poor frame pacing, require more effort just to play a game. If I’m going to stress myself with all of that hassle, it has to be for max settings. Playing at console settings on pc is significantly inferior to playing on console.
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GHG
Member
Fair enough, and to be clear I wasn't specifically referencing you, it's more the people who I've seen being disingenuous with their discussions and assertions regarding the whole pro vs PC nonsense, and that's not something I've seen from you.
XXL
has decided to make himself a target for all of this becuase he's failed to appropriately pump the brakes. I mean, what are we even doing discussing this in a stalker 2 thread?
Mister Wolf
Member
Technological progress doesn't care how much money you spent on a years old product. I'll be turning down the settings with my 4090 in Stalker 2 in a couple of days and that's completely fine. I'd much rather have games with Lumen and Nanite than hitting native "4K 60".
DenchDeckard
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This is exactly what is happening with the ps5 pro and every game this generation. Why is it a problem now?
DenchDeckard
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Sony guys now piling on PC people for having a 3080...a card that costs as much as their ps5 pro...
What is happening to this place.
You had ps5s up until two to three weeks ago.
Maybe
Senua
is waiting for the 50 series in like 2 months to get a 5080? What are you going to do then 
I know you guys think you are having fun. Probably are in some weird way but you're just piling on everyone at the minute. Seems very strange.
Insecurity maybe?
What is happening to this place.
You had ps5s up until two to three weeks ago.
Maybe
Senua
is waiting for the 50 series in like 2 months to get a 5080? What are you going to do then I know you guys think you are having fun. Probably are in some weird way but you're just piling on everyone at the minute. Seems very strange.
Insecurity maybe?
GHG
Member
The visual outcome doesn't justify the performance penalty in a lot of cases. My eyes don't see marketing buzzwords, they see the final image being rendered on screen, and if that final image with stuff like Lumen and Nanite is not a marked improvement over what has come before the it could potentially have been better for the developers to appropriately leverage "old" technology and techniques in that instance.
And provided you use the correct DLSS setting, there should be no reason for people rocking 4090's or even 4080's to have to turn down settings in order to achieve 60fps in this title.
It's more that a 3080 isn't a "flex" as we go in to 2025.
I don't see any reason why somebody who has a 3080 or below should be attacking people who may have decided to purchase a pro, especially considering the fact that it's highly likely most 3080 purchasers bought their card during covid at horribly inflated prices. Ironically if we are talking about "value" for money, the 4090 is the only card that qualifies in the post-covid world.
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FalconPunch
Gold Member
I mean, good for you. The performance is not as a result of technology advancing but as a result of poor optimization. Lumen vs baked GI that’s well done is difficult to differentiate for the average user yet their performance profiles are drastically different. Nanite while cool just gives you better looking static set dressing worlds. Destruction and nanite are still incompatible. They still have to swap models to calculate the destruction. What’s the actual point when you can get sufficient lod management without nanite high performance costs.
As for stalker 2, enjoy the game. I can’t even be bother to waste my bandwidth on it even though I get it for “free” with gamepass.
DenchDeckard
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I get what you are saying
But plenty of people buy a card and skip a generation. A 3080 is 4 years old the same as rhe ps5. Maybe
Senua
is planning to pick up a 5080 in 2 months. It's literally around the corner. Just seems odd to pile on someone for having an opinion when their hardware will be as powerful with a decent cpu as a ps5 pro.Also, 3080s in the peak of covid were going for like 2 grand. I literally got offered 2 grand for my msi trio x card.
Maybe his 3080 cost a lot. I was lucky to get mine at msrp on launch day but many didn't.
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Senua
Member
Oh dude this thread is nothing. Look at what a fool he made out of himself on this oneFair enough, and to be clear I wasn't specifically referencing you, it's more the people who I've seen being disingenuous with their discussions and assertions regarding the whole pro vs PC nonsense, and that's not something I've seen from you.
News - Analysis - Review - [Digital Foundry] Star Wars Jedi Survivor PS5 Pro: Severe Image Quality Problems... But RT in Performance Mode Is Nice
We've got issues with this one. While Star Wars Jedi Survivor serves up some upgrades over the standard PS5 - like the return of RT reflections to the performance mode - there are severe image quality concerns when elements like foliage interact with ray tracing. The end result is a strobing...
DenchDeckard
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Oh dude this thread is nothing. Look at what a fool he made out of himself on this one
News - Analysis - Review - [Digital Foundry] Star Wars Jedi Survivor PS5 Pro: Severe Image Quality Problems... But RT in Performance Mode Is Nice
We've got issues with this one. While Star Wars Jedi Survivor serves up some upgrades over the standard PS5 - like the return of RT reflections to the performance mode - there are severe image quality concerns when elements like foliage interact with ray tracing. The end result is a strobing...www.neogaf.com
Sony deserves some shit for pricing the ps5 pro how they did. Close enough to pc to cause the world to end lol
A new war has started.
This comment is tongue in cheek by the way. I know it doesn't come through on the Internet.
If they had managed to release the pro at close to the pa5 price and maybe drop the ps5 by even 100 dollars, none of this would have happened. Actually, it would but some of this could have been avoided.
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Mister Wolf
Member
Nonsense
Anybody with working eyeballs can distinguish which game is using raytracing lighting. The talk of baked lighting being able to look just as good was and still is pure cope.
Here is an example of a linear titles
You think the average user can't tell which one of these is using raytraced lighting?
Is that a good thing now? A GPU costing more than a system. Don't tell me you're joining the "lol poors" rhetoric.
Anyway this is a "Stalker doesn't run well on a XSX" thread maybe start dunking on the X instead like you do on Pro (while defending Series S). XXL is mostly taking the piss out of guys like you when he sarcastically says "just get a series s" in those Pro threads.
geary
Member
Where? Give a link. Drama with the morning tea is always better.
DenchDeckard
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It's the pro guys that started the whole "lol poors" thing. I think now they are maybe feeling a little like cerny and Sony bent them over a barrel with these early third party patches. I guess it's wait for the tools now?
Also. I'll happily say it doesn't run well when we have hard evidence. Trying to shit on a game for saying 4k 60fps in its marketing when the pro is out here doing the same then running at 864p is pretty special to see.
If it runs like shit on the x I'll call it. I'm playing on pc so I'm out here praying these pc focused devs have done everything they can to make this run on that shit engine.
All I can say for certain is those that take the wait and see approach are those that win. Especially with the ps5 pro. Don't trust these companies until you have evidence.
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I'm asking if you're joining them with "my 3080 cost more than the Pro" talk all while complaining about the Pro price. Kind of hypocritical don't you think?
Nowhere did they say it runs native 4k, the whole point was upscaling with PSSR. Others games upscale to 8k too. You were first in line to talk about "failed marketing" with Pro, remember? Now you're here defending advertising Stalker as 4k60fps because its XSX.
Senua
Member
I linked the thread a few posts above yours
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
The 3080 is a 4 year old card that was producing ps5 pro performance in the height of covid. I was just highlighting that MANY, many people paid over 1500 for one. I'm not jo9ning in I'm highlighting how funny those arguments were to me. People taking the piss out of those not buying a pro by saying they are cheap. A 3080 could have cost a user twice the pro.
Also, I'm not defending the marketing I'm asking the question "why is it a problem now all of a sudden?"
Basically. There's a lot of hypocrites on here.
FalconPunch
Gold Member
Keep telling yourself that while the average user advocates against RT due to its terrible performance. On pc and consoles, users are outspoken in their disdain for the “insignificant” differences RT provides to the visuals. Since 2018, there are only 3 games where RT has a transformative impact on the visuals. Imagine cutting your fps down by 50% for a less than 10% improves in visuals in all but 3 games. You’re in the minority on this one chief.
Most people haven’t lost the plot.
Negotiator101
Member
So performance mode is a bit sketchy so I'll play quality mode, problem solved.
Well, I can't really say that I liked it from the very beginning. Of course, I understand that the 4K badge sells well and looks nice, but I would like at least some honesty towards the consumer (Well, at least indicate the upscale, and don't hide behind pure 4K). And I can understand the upscale, say, from 2K to 4K. But forgive me, when you need upscale frome 720p to grow to 4K, this basically means that your game is infinitely far from reaching 4K. If the boxes with the game had a sign, say, 4K (Upscale from 720p), there would be no questions.
As for FPS, there is nothing special to discuss here, optimization in games is now, to put it mildly, one of the weakest points in the industry, and the fact that 60 FPS is indicated in marketing, at the same time, is achieved by the fact that you stand still and look at the floor, but in reality the game jumps between 50-60 FPS, everyone is already used to it, although I also can’t say that this is good.
DenchDeckard
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Completely agree. Great post.
It also frustrates me that 60fps can take up to 6 months of patching to improve. The launch state of games is not good recently. Or this gen.
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
The ability to play games with mods is what makes PC the master race. Not whatever videocard someone has.
XXL
Member
I'm done with it now.Fair enough, and to be clear I wasn't specifically referencing you, it's more the people who I've seen being disingenuous with their discussions and assertions regarding the whole pro vs PC nonsense, and that's not something I've seen from you.
I was just making a point.
pasterpl
Member
It is not DF who put PS5Pro together
It is not DF who is porting game sto PS5Pro
In your opinion, should they only focus those games that work well on PS5Pro? Seariously?
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
You got it completely opposite.
It’s the real time rt that tries to look as good as high quality bake.
If you disregard the fact that the day is static, you will have a very very high performance cost to get tlou2 bake quality but done with real time rt.
This is obvious. You look even at some uc4 shots and rt nowadays would have troubles reaching that without grainy resolve or using top end hardware.
That’s why nd games look so amazing. High quality bake + some dynamic gi from artificial light sources like flashlight, fire or gunshots. That’s a very well done fake.
Tlou2 looks better and cleaner than most rt titles for fraction of a performance cost.
The video you posted from tlou2 is very washed out and entirely not how the game looks. Forbidden west got like 16 bakes for different time of day and not all are so well done. There are good and bad examples.
Vick
do you want to add something? I am at work and can’t post screenshots rn 
Edit: oh and 3080 10gb is still ahead of ps5 pro if you don’t go outside of 10gb vram.
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Senua
Member
Yup that's the real reason I'd like an upgrade. Getting harder to get around it.
SJRB
Gold Member
Skifi28
Member
Yes, we've all seen your "bromance" the last few days and it has been embarassing. I'll never understand why you don't you put each other on ignore and get on with your lifes.
LordOcidax
Member
Source: 4 offscreen images, Random user in reddit and not day one patch… The only ingredient left is DF (Those demons) positive review about this game and this is going to be epic here.
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GymWolf
Member
GymWolf
Member
Isn't reflex just for the input lag and not performance??!
GymWolf
Member
On a powerfull pc wilds run much much better that it's not even funny, played both on ps5 and pc and the difference was gargantuan (the game still look like a mid ps4 game tho, that doesn't change).
Some people having textures not loading properly doesn't change that.
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