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[FoxMcChief]

The way this game has been marketed and shown by Xbox was that of a AAA offering. There’s no way you can interpret it as otherwise based off of their own showings at presentations.

To suddenly try to do the following :

-Prior games were ass
-Small indie dev
-Years of delays
-War in Ukraine

That’s just a cop out. If they wanted to not step it up from prior works, and be given the time to work on this through years of delays, then cancel it.

I’ll never understand how gamers are fine with one dev getting a pass for mediocrity and another being lambasted for minor issues in comparison.

Can’t have your cake and eat it too.

If this game was glowing and head a stellar wind behind it, then people would be touting it as AAA god tier, delays worth it, Xbox’s first killer app in ever, etc.

Sounds to me like you’ve created a scenario where you want the game to bomb.

 

[pasterpl]

Prior games were ass

Poor child of mine…

 

[Kvally]

Not taking bait.

 

[Kvally]

Poor child of mine…

Ugh, I missed that. I guess they are just trolling.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

The way this game has been marketed and shown by Xbox was that of a AAA offering. There’s no way you can interpret it as otherwise based off of their own showings at presentations.

To suddenly try to do the following :

-Prior games were ass
-Small indie dev
-Years of delays
-War in Ukraine

That’s just a cop out. If they wanted to not step it up from prior works, and be given the time to work on this through years of delays, then cancel it.

I’ll never understand how gamers are fine with one dev getting a pass for mediocrity and another being lambasted for minor issues in comparison.

Can’t have your cake and eat it too.

If this game was glowing and head a stellar wind behind it, then people would be touting it as AAA god tier, delays worth it, Xbox’s first killer app in ever, etc.

Same thing happened with Hellblade 2, the game that revealed the XSX

That was hyped up as a big open world expansion that would greatly improve the series and you ended up getting a 4 hour obnoxious cutscene

 

[Shadowstar39]

The comments from the Reddit user the "article" was based off of doesn't sound as dramatic: https://www.reddit.com/user/OrfeasDourvas/

Wait for the day-one patch I guess

yeah the people on the stalker forum on the circle jerk know as reddit were all bad mouthing the game because of lack of reviews or some shit and all were doom and glooming all over it. Was sad to see.
Like wait for the game to come out chill.

I already pre-ordered it on xsx. So here is too being optimistic. I own 4 copies of the original trilogy, (pc original physical, steam, xbx, and switch) one of my favorite games (an American that loves Eurojank, stalker, gothic, metro, etc).

 

[adamsapple]

The way this game has been marketed and shown by Xbox was that of a AAA offering. There’s no way you can interpret it as otherwise based off of their own showings at presentations.

To suddenly try to do the following :

-Prior games were ass
-Small indie dev
-Years of delays
-War in Ukraine

That’s just a cop out. If they wanted to not step it up from prior works, and be given the time to work on this through years of delays, then cancel it.

I’ll never understand how gamers are fine with one dev getting a pass for mediocrity and another being lambasted for minor issues in comparison.

Can’t have your cake and eat it too.

If this game was glowing and head a stellar wind behind it, then people would be touting it as AAA god tier, delays worth it, Xbox’s first killer app in ever, etc.

"To suddenly try to do the following :

-War in Ukraine"



jesus christ, talk about being tone-deaf, my man.

 

[Arsic]

"To suddenly try to do the following :

-War in Ukraine"



jesus christ, talk about being tone-deaf, my man.

I’m saying these are reasons people are going to use as to why it was never going to be a quality game. Forgot to add Covid too.

Plenty of devs deal with horse shit conditions and put out a good game. Of various sizes.

The defense force on here is trying to give this game a giga shield to any possible criticism it is about to have.

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I’ll add this:

I do not want the game to fail. If it runs mediocre but is a blast? Hell yeah. That can be fixed with patches and new hardware.

I plan to play it on game pass pc.

I’m having a grumpy asshole day outside the forum and took it into here without realizing.

I’ll pump the breaks.

 

[Shadowstar39]

Every Unreal has been mediocre and annoying. How many rock solid classics are released on UE? Breaks my heart that CDPR are moving to it. Their engine blows it out of the water. Looks like Halo will suffer the same fate. Crazy how many people are blown away by the tech demos but don't notice the actual UE products are always a little stiff and problematic.

STALKER being on UE could really cut the legs off. All the previous releases require mods to have the best possible time. Can't think of any UE title with a wealth of mods. It's like if Bethesda moved to UE, but maybe not as bad.

Well ue used to be all about mods. Unreal tournament was built with that in mind and the maps were easy to make, even I did it back in 2001. Deus ex has tons of mods, and so did unreal t 2004. It wasn't until later unreal engine games that had less as it became more console focused with gears - > fortnite, rather than pc centric.

 

[adamsapple]

I’m saying these are reasons people are going to use as to why it was never going to be a quality game. Forgot to add Covid too.

Plenty of devs deal with horse shit conditions and put out a good game. Of various sizes.

The defense force on here is trying to give this game a giga shield to any possible criticism it is about to have.

—

I’ll add this:

I do not want the game to fail. If it runs mediocre but is a blast? Hell yeah. That can be fixed with patches and new hardware.

I plan to play it on game pass pc.

I’m having a grumpy asshole day outside the forum and took it into here without realizing.

I’ll pump the breaks.

Regardless of the time and other issues, a certain amount of eurojank should be expected. That and even first party or exclusive games release these days with some issues.

Unless this has multiple game breaking bugs, or shit the bed level performance at lunch, I don't think this will be any different than most modern releases.

For all of its other issues aside, dragon age veilguard it's probably the most polished AAA game at release that we have seen in years. It launched with little to no issues.

 

[FoxMcChief]

It’s not like the team was acquired for $300 million or something.

 

[owandeseis]

Some people get incredibly lost when they see something that's not a linear cinematic action adventure third person game roflmao, yeah they have absolutely no clue about games.

Probably same people that downplayed Baldurs Gate 3 before it appeared on a Sony SoP because it looked like an AA compared to their beloved Hogwarts and Marvel games designed for 11 year old kids.

Yeah BG3 last year, Stalker 2 now and Path of Exile 2 next month, we chads are eating

Nice to see it's doing great on Steam btw, 100K+ CCU, believe

 

[Arsic]

Some people get incredibly lost when they see something that's not a linear cinematic action adventure third person game roflmao, yeah they have absolutely no clue about games.

Probably same people that downplayed Baldurs Gate 3 before it appeared on a Sony SoP because it looked like an AA compared to their beloved Hogwarts and Marvel games designed for 11 year old kids.

Yeah BG3 last year, Stalker 2 now and Path of Exile 2 next month, we chads are eating

Nice to see it's doing great on Steam btw, 100K+ CCU, believe

I would argue there is hype for PoE2 even outside of the hardcore player base.

Two friends I have who are filthy casuals are all in on PoE2 and have avoided PoE1 because it looks dated and too complex to just jump into. PoE2 feels like a better starting point to them. They have only Diablo as a point of reference.

I hope PoE2 early access is stable so GGG keeps the momentum to shake up the arpg genre yet again.

 

[simpatico]

Well ue used to be all about mods. Unreal tournament was built with that in mind and the maps were easy to make, even I did it back in 2001. Deus ex has tons of mods, and so did unreal t 2004. It wasn't until later unreal engine games that had less as it became more console focused with gears - > fortnite, rather than pc centric.

Pretty much UE3 forward the only mods have been sweetfx.

 

[bender]

I would argue there is hype for PoE2 even outside of the hardcore player base.

Two friends I have who are filthy casuals are all in on PoE2 and have avoided PoE1 because it looks dated and too complex to just jump into. PoE2 feels like a better starting point to them. They have only Diablo as a point of reference.

I hope PoE2 early access is stable so GGG keeps the momentum to shake up the arpg genre yet again.

Diablo 4 being disappointing certainly helps at least that is the case for my friend group.

 

[Ozriel]

Same thing happened with Hellblade 2, the game that revealed the XSX

That was hyped up as a big open world expansion that would greatly improve the series and you ended up getting a 4 hour obnoxious cutscene

 

[Astray]

Day 1 patch is almost as big as the game itself so expect a lot of improvement, better check on your preloads.

 

[Arsic]

Day 1 patch is almost as big as the game itself so expect a lot of improvement, better check on your preloads.

Wait am I reading this incorrectly?
The patch will add the game up to almost 300GB install size?

No way that’s right.

 

[bender]

Day 1 patch is almost as big as the game itself so expect a lot of improvement, better check on your preloads.

This is why I stopped pre-loading games on Xbox. It always felt like the day one patch was damned near the size of any given game.

 

[Astray]

Wait am I reading this incorrectly?
The patch will add the game up to almost 300GB install size?

No way that’s right.

The patch size is correct as its showing the downloads menu.

About adding up to the original install, I have no idea tbh. Id guess thay it would probably overwrite files within the original install?

This is why I stopped pre-loading games on Xbox. It always felt like the day one patch was damned near the size of any given game.

That's actually news to me.

Kraken decompression is a very underrated feature for PS5, almost all games have lower drive sizes than competing platforms.

 

[Wolves hunt in packs]

Wait am I reading this incorrectly?
The patch will add the game up to almost 300GB install size?

No way that’s right.

No, the patch will overide the previous files. Overall is about 140+ GB.

If you preloaded a few days ago... which was alrady 140 GB download, you basically need to redownload the game again.

Anyway i'm down with downloading the patch and ready to go!

 

[Puscifer]

Everyone thinks that every game has to be some huge big AAAA game now.

Stalker was never huge or mainstream.

The fact it has an interactive branching story and Borderline FarCry style gameplay says a lot about trying to expand their reach. Long as it's brutal as the previews imply I'm okay with the changes.

 

[Barakov]

Day 1 patch is almost as big as the game itself so expect a lot of improvement, better check on your preloads.

Big Patch.

 

[FoxMcChief]

Big Patch.

My kind of curves right there.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

when can i review bomb?

 

[JackMcGunns]

"This is according to a recent report from the Senior Editor at Insider Gaming, Grant Taylor-Hill. In a now-deleted post on his X (Twitter) account, it looks like the reviews for Stalker 2: Heart of Chornobyl will be published on November 20, 2024, at 9 AM ET—just two hours before the game officially hits shelves."

Yeah this has bomba written all over it lol.

Or maybe there's a sizeable patch coming out and they don't want their game reviewed until it's final. Just saying.

 

[FoxMcChief]

when can i review bomb?

Which version are you review bombing?

 

[DanielG165]

That was hyped up as a big open world expansion

Where was this in the marketing for that game?

 

[Soleil rouge]

Is there still no OT?

 

[FoxMcChief]

Where was this in the marketing for that game?

It’s best to ignore the Concord defenders.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

It’s best to ignore the Concord defenders.

Indeed, along with its highlighters.

 

[Pop]

Day 1 patch is almost as big as the game itself so expect a lot of improvement, better check on your preloads.

wtf

Have they heard of compression

 

[adamsapple]

Wait am I reading this incorrectly?
The patch will add the game up to almost 300GB install size?

No way that’s right.

No, patches don't add on top of the game data, most of it is replacing files.

The final size with the patch is 143GB on my xbox.

when can i review bomb?

Right here, review bomb to your heart's extent.

 

[FireFly]

Same thing happened with Hellblade 2, the game that revealed the XSX

That was hyped up as a big open world expansion that would greatly improve the series and you ended up getting a 4 hour obnoxious cutscene

You make a great point that the big disadvantage of a game releasing on Game Pass is having to endure all the console warring in every thread about it.

 

[Pimpbaa]

Same thing happened with Hellblade 2, the game that revealed the XSX

That was hyped up as a big open world expansion that would greatly improve the series and you ended up getting a 4 hour obnoxious cutscene

What? I totally suspected it would be the same as the first game, just with better graphics. I didn’t see anyone here suggest otherwise.

 

[ZehDon]

Held off the pre-load because I figured there would be a sizeable day one patch - didn't expect it to be the entire game, though

Two days to go. Cannot wait to play!

 

[Black_Stride]

To suddenly try to do the following :

-Prior games were ass
-Small indie dev
-Years of delays
-War in Ukraine

That’s just a cop out. If they wanted to not step it up from prior works, and be given the time to work on this through years of delays, then cancel it.

Wait you think the dev tactically decided to have Russia invade their country so they could have an excuse for their troubled development cycle??

P.S Prior games were ass?

Same thing happened with Hellblade 2, the game that revealed the XSX
That was hyped up as a big open world expansion that would greatly improve the series and you ended up getting a 4 hour obnoxious cutscene

When did they ever say it was gonna be a big open world expansion.......it was pretty much always touted as being the same as the previous game just pushing rendering tech to the next level......which it did.

 

[damiank]

Hey Mr Spencer, I don't run so good.

 

[Gen.Grievous]

Day 1 patch is almost as big as the game itself so expect a lot of improvement, better check on your preloads.

What is the point of a preload if you just replace the entire game at launch?

 

[Skifi28]

What is the point of a preload if you just replace the entire game at launch?

That warm fuzzy feeling of having preloaded the game.

 

[M1chl]

What is the point of a preload if you just replace the entire game at launch?

Just to chime in, basically dev has to prepare patch, if for example you bump version of UE or something like that or you simply deemed delta patch to be too much of an hassle, you can submit to MS whole thing again as a patch. And don't run any delta after you submit.

This is to large degree fault of Unreal engine, since 4. There are some checks in place to do checksums and patching its not really straight forward process automated process, so if you have other shit to do quick, this is an easy way how to do it, especially with smaller team.

Besides caps are thing of the past and game is not yet launched, so it basically does not matter how much data do you push for pre-load.

 

[WhamBamThankYouMaam]

Just to chime in, basically dev has to prepare patch, if for example you bump version of UE or something like that or you simply deemed delta patch to be too much of an hassle, you can submit to MS whole thing again as a patch. And don't run any delta after you submit.

This is to large degree fault of Unreal engine, since 4. There are some checks in place to do checksums and patching its not really straight forward process automated process, so if you have other shit to do quick, this is an easy way how to do it, especially with smaller team.

Besides caps are thing of the past and game is not yet launched, so it basically does not matter how much data do you push for pre-load.

Caps are a thing of the past? Better call my ISP snd inform them that they should ignore this 25% dl of their softcap (that limits internet speed once broken).

 

[YeulEmeralda]

The franchise is beloved by its fans, coming in here to crap on it within a context of system warz nonsense is just lame.

Even the fans crap on Stalker. It's good despite the incompetence of the developers.
It'll take a year of patches and some mods.

 

[CuteFaceJay]

Shame, the cooler on my PC is fucked until I can get replacement was hoping to play this on xbox.

 

[Xdrive05]

Weird. Digital Foundry was impressed with the Gamescom showing on Series X, both the performance and even the image quality. I wonder if it's just certain areas, or certain performance bugs that the review code still hasn't addressed...

 

[M1chl]

Caps are a thing of the past? Better call my ISP snd inform them that they should ignore this 25% dl of their softcap (that limits internet speed once broken).

Umm, what, where are you living btw?

 

[twilo99]

I dunno how my 2080 Super is gonna run this game, peeking at the spec list; Series X may just have to be the place of choice for me until I upgrade my GPU in a couple months.

Current consoles, including the “pro” are basically mid tier 2019 PCs so I don’t think the xsx will be much better than your 2080s overall

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Current consoles, including the “pro” are basically mid tier 2019 PCs

No. The card equivalent in that smokes nearly every card of that era that wasn’t a TITAN or super high-end AMD card. CPU? That’s another matter.

 

[Zathalus]

Umm, what, where are you living btw?

Probably some third world country like the United States.

Spoiler

A joke obviously. Mostly.

 

[twilo99]

No. The card equivalent in that smokes nearly every card of that era that wasn’t a TITAN or super high-end AMD card. CPU? That’s another matter.

I’m sure you are aware that video games require more than a GPU to run so I’m obviously referring to overall system performance.