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Sailor Moon Crystal |OT| In the name of the manga, I'll entertain you!
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I like her voice, but not as much as her original (at least, from the sampling of that clip). I also really like Chibi Usa's voice, probably moreso than her original.
UberTag
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Jumping back to this response from a week ago because you're absolutely right. The 6-episode Nehelenia arc that served as a bridge from SuperS was excellent.
When I say "I hate Sailor Stars", I'm referring to Episode 173 and beyond.
The opening theme song is good too. Controversial opinion, but I hate the opening for the 90s anime. It grated me after hearing it for four seasons straight.
Simply Sarah
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Sailor Star Song is certainly my preferred opening as well, but I'm also a complete sucker for that style of j-pop anime song in general so I'm not sure how much that really counts for.
Barrylocke
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I might have said it before, but Moon Pride's really grown on me. I have to listen to it at the start of every episode.
How many left who remember, how many left to care at all?
I just finished watching Act. 13.
Effects were nice and animation didn't look as stiff as other episodes.
Anyway, I really liked it
Guess my question from last October has been graphically answered
Effects were nice and animation didn't look as stiff as other episodes.
Anyway, I really liked it
Guess my question from last October has been graphically answered
Sailor Moon Crystal Episode 13:
So we have reached another point in this series where watchers of the 1990s anime are probably going to be taken aback in a few ways. Indeed, the final battle plays out much differently, not necessarily better, but certainly differently. I will say that it seems no matter what the incarnation the main villains Beryl and Metalia are just not terribly interesting. Here, Metalia is your bog standard monstrous force that seeks to drain all life and it of marginal interest. As much as I have issues with the next arc, it did give us far more interesting villains across the board. Anyway, yea, it looks this episode actually had some money behind it and thus looks much better then the previous one. Don't really have much to say really as this final encounter doesn't play out poorly but I would be lying if I didn't say everything has the air of cliche behind it.
So we have reached another point in this series where watchers of the 1990s anime are probably going to be taken aback in a few ways. Indeed, the final battle plays out much differently, not necessarily better, but certainly differently. I will say that it seems no matter what the incarnation the main villains Beryl and Metalia are just not terribly interesting. Here, Metalia is your bog standard monstrous force that seeks to drain all life and it of marginal interest. As much as I have issues with the next arc, it did give us far more interesting villains across the board. Anyway, yea, it looks this episode actually had some money behind it and thus looks much better then the previous one. Don't really have much to say really as this final encounter doesn't play out poorly but I would be lying if I didn't say everything has the air of cliche behind it.
--Manga Rei had more of a shocked face when she said not to let the Crystal grow, where as this Rei had more of an assertive look. I prefer how Crystal did it, surprisingly.
--I enjoyed the addition of the flashback where the girls remember when they first met Usagi, but they brought back the derp faces with it.
--But they cut back the flashback to the past lives with Venus, Kunzite, Endymion, and Serenity? Booo.
Overall I enjoyed it. Only one episode of this arc left. Hopefully they do a good job on handling Wiseman in the next arc.
--I enjoyed the addition of the flashback where the girls remember when they first met Usagi, but they brought back the derp faces with it.
--But they cut back the flashback to the past lives with Venus, Kunzite, Endymion, and Serenity? Booo.
Overall I enjoyed it. Only one episode of this arc left. Hopefully they do a good job on handling Wiseman in the next arc.
Triple Da G.O.D!
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And here I thought they'd try to wrap it up all in one episode.
Decent setup for the end and that's all you can ask for really.
Decent setup for the end and that's all you can ask for really.
Well there was no reason in particular to drag out the conclusion into the next episode so I'm just gonna say it now.
Crystal is overwhelmingly bad.
And it has nothing to do with it being based on the manga or the lacking budget.
There's just no craftsmanship. Every scene that's intended to be interpolated by readers' imagination as emotional in the manga is put on screen in the most flat way possible. There's no dynamic to storyboarding, the pacing is dreadful, the music is phoned in, and enough has been said about animation quality. Instead of expanding on the existing material and making it into something worthwhile, it's basically all toned down to the point of utter dullness.
I'll keep watching on the off chance Black Moon provides more excitement on the account of it being a bit more involved story-wise to begin with but holy god damn. This is not what I wanted.
Crystal is overwhelmingly bad.
And it has nothing to do with it being based on the manga or the lacking budget.
There's just no craftsmanship. Every scene that's intended to be interpolated by readers' imagination as emotional in the manga is put on screen in the most flat way possible. There's no dynamic to storyboarding, the pacing is dreadful, the music is phoned in, and enough has been said about animation quality. Instead of expanding on the existing material and making it into something worthwhile, it's basically all toned down to the point of utter dullness.
I'll keep watching on the off chance Black Moon provides more excitement on the account of it being a bit more involved story-wise to begin with but holy god damn. This is not what I wanted.
I lenjoyed this episode, still don't like that I have to wait two weeks for the next one.
I'm still annoyed about the Shitenou's deaths, why keep them alive and add all this backstory if in the end everything plays out like in the manga?
But I liked that they were responsible for saving Mamoru's life, I actually preferred the stones showing up without explanation to him simply taking them like in the manga, it gives the Shitenou a little bit of agency if we assume they actively protected him instead of it happening by chance.
What I didn't like was that the stones shattered, I don't remember that happening in the manga, it's like they killed them off again.
I'm still annoyed about the Shitenou's deaths, why keep them alive and add all this backstory if in the end everything plays out like in the manga?
But I liked that they were responsible for saving Mamoru's life, I actually preferred the stones showing up without explanation to him simply taking them like in the manga, it gives the Shitenou a little bit of agency if we assume they actively protected him instead of it happening by chance.
What I didn't like was that the stones shattered, I don't remember that happening in the manga, it's like they killed them off again.
Zoe
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I just don't get the insistence to add new dialog and sequences when they cut out perfectly good scenes...
They didn't shatter, but they did crack.
They didn't shatter, but they did crack.
Simply Sarah
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MikeHattsu
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Sailor Moon Crystal 13
Oooh, here we go... Oh... There's another episode to go...
Well, pretty good episode actually, and everybody managed to not get struck by the sword? That's lucky
Oooh, here we go... Oh... There's another episode to go...
Well, pretty good episode actually, and everybody managed to not get struck by the sword? That's lucky
BassForever
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Holy crap I haven't watched any anime since the last episode of Sailor Moon Crystal aired O.O I didn't realize how busy my life got the past two weeks.
Enjoyable episode, terrible cock tease ending. Animation was non existent but at least the still images looked decent. We really shouldn't call SMC an anime it's really just a motion manga.
Enjoyable episode, terrible cock tease ending. Animation was non existent but at least the still images looked decent. We really shouldn't call SMC an anime it's really just a motion manga.
I was also showing they would show that one scene at some point in the finale (the on-going, climatic battle, that is) where it would have that one short scene in the manga indicating that Serenity and Endymion slept together :/ No blood, no implied sex in this show, though :/
Really thought the fight would end this ep, but nope! Going to ease into Black Moon next episode, just as the title indicates (but the preview itself did not).
TOEI are really cheap.
I have no idea how Toei are doing, but I'd figure they would have insane amounts of money considering they own many of the most popular anime properties in the world.
They are doing fine, they are just cheap fuckers.
BassForever
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Put lots of money into your sailor moon remake and make a decent profit from the massive audience that tunes in
Or
Put no money into your sailor moon remake and make a huge profit from the massive audience that tunes in
The answer is obvious if you're Toei... :|
Well, hopefully we get the kitchen floor scene.
Black Moon should be better, since unlike Dark Kingdom it wasn't rushed in the comic.
I think I need a reminder of what happened then.
Zoe
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Chibi-usa wants to stay with Mamoru the night before the go to the future, so they all go back to his apartment. Mamoru realizes he's been neglecting Usagi and he takes her to the kitchen/living room floor for sexy times.
p_xavier
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I LOVED Crystal so far. Rewatching the original is painful, it used to be my favorite show but I can't stand the filler anymore. Maybe you're not the targeted audience? It is more that I hoped from so far. It's classical as the manga, which was definitely missing in the original TV series.
Anyways, I'm tired of the hyperbole in this thread.
BassForever
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While I certainly see the flaws in Crystal, I still very much enjoy it and feel the same way you do in regards to the original series. Having rewatched classic Sailor Moon and Crystal side by side I've enjoyed Crystal much more. I still plan to eventually own all of classic Sailor Moon on blu ray and Crystal on blu ray but I'll probably rewatch Crystal more often when I feel like a sailor moon kick.
You might want to do some research on the Blurays first. A lot of people didn't like the release, and it's gonna be a pricey investment since they are basically charging $80 for half a season.
That said the manga release is legit. I recommend it.
BassForever
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I know about the issues with the blu ray/dvd release, that's why I won't buy them till they drop to $40 or lower, heck even if they were amazing quality I wouldn't have bought them till they dropped till that price.
Why yes, I'm not the target audience for dulled drama and poor artistry.
You don't have to take people's opinions as intrusion on your integrity.
Would be wonderful knowing.. doubt we ever will. But it's not like she hasn't approved whatever is going on so. Did you read the old ROLa interview with Naoko/Osabu? It's from January 2014, but they do speak about the old anime and some characters a little.
The only translation I could find:
https://missdream.org/sailor-moon-i...akeuchi-interview-rola-magazine-january-2014/
https://missdream.org/sailor-moon-i...akeuchi-interview-rola-magazine-january-2014/
Yeah, most of the episode was just static or semi-static images with one or two elements moving, zooming-in/out, or pivoting. It reminded me a lot of cheap Flash animations. It was awful :|
I really didn't like this episode. Too much talking (describing what happened or is happening on the screen, talking about emotions and so), and not too much actually happening. Every scene felt slow and stretched. Add to that the lack of animation and it results in a really boring episode. :/
I read the manga chapter now and it seems so much more dynamic - at least the first part, when Metaria is growing and consuming the Earth. Not to mention, the manga indicates better that humans' hearts are now filled with hatred - you have a single panel with two men arguing ending with one of them slashing the other one with a knife; in the anime it looks as if people were turned into some kind of zombies.
Even later scenes that were really stretched in the anime look so much quicker in the manga due to not having all that filler animations and dialogs (like the scene where girls are offering the power of their pens).
Also, complete lack of blood in the opening scenes really impacts the drama. Usagi slashed Mamoru with a sword and then pierced herself with it. I know that it is later said that the pocket watch and stones saved them, but still -- in the manga both Mamoru and Usagi are lying in a pool of blood.
Yeah I think this is my biggest disappointment with Crystal, right here. Normally, anime is known to be more mature and bloody, of course in many cases the anime gets toned down some from the manga. You would think as an ONA, that they would allow for more "bad stuff" to be shown, being something not airing on tv. Not the case, of course, and the fact that there WAS serious consequences, blood, and ACTUAL deaths (by actual means), made the manga a lot more powerful with what was going on. Luna didn't even die here!
Honestly, it feels like how anime gets edited for an American audience. It is a worldwide simulcast, so I honestly wonder if that's what they were going for?
I see a couple people mentioning this on this page but I wanted to go ahead and ask anyway. The original Sailor Moon (first arc) was one of my favorite shows when I was growing up but I remember hearing mixed things about later arcs that didn't come out in the US until way later. I just want to set my expectations... how does the show hold up past the first arc with Queen Beryl? I'll definitely at least watch the arc with Beryl since all the episodes are up on Hulu.
And how does the manga compare?
And how does the manga compare?
Well, S is my favorite season, but due to editing, lesbians -> cousins, and a bunch of dub voice changes, I can see why people did not enjoy it in its dub-form. It IS an excellent season in Japanese, and many people thoroughly enjoy that season, with a great number of people having it as their favorite season. Mind you, the dub break happened in the middle of R, so there's a whole Part 2 of R that didn't show up until later. Why they decided to break in the middle? Honestly, I have no idea.
SuperS however, has the general consensus of being the worst season of the show. Chibi Usa x Pegasus and yeah, it was weak in comparison to the other seasons. Sailor Stars will be brand new, and that has mixed views. Does a sort of 2 Act bit, similar to what R did.
How do you feel about Sailor Stars? Did it give a satsfying ending to the series? I suppose I'm wondering if I should watch the entire 200 episode series or stop at a certain point. Also, I'll be watching the show subbed so hopefully the Hulu subbed version won't have those edits.
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I recall reading that DiC did the bare minimum required for it to go into syndication (65 episodes), so that's why it went on a long break. Later on, Irwin helped pay to dub the rest of R, if I remember correctly.
Personally, I really liked Sailor Stars. Both arcs, but most people prefer the first arc in it. I don't see why there's any need to stopping in the middle of the show, but you DO need to watch SuperS before Sailor Stars, or else you will miss some stuff. I suggest going through the whole thing. They go out slowly on Hulu, so it's not like you have to marathon it all at once
I felt like the ending of the whole thing was satisfying, so might as well see it through to the end, right?Still so weird they didn't just do the first series and stop there >_> I guess it's all up to the episode count, though. Didn't realize that Irwin helped fund for it.
KDash31987
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http://www.smuncensored.com/series.php
I'm not 100% sure on the Irwin thing, but I do recall reading about that somewhere.
Personally I really liked Sailor Stars, the new good characters introduced were interesting, the villains were entertaining and the most important part my least favourite character was written out and only appeared in a few episodes and in those she was actually bearable.
And yes, it does give a nice ending to the series, my only problem is that I wish the outer senshi had appeared more regularly during Sailor Stars.
My least favourite season would be SuperS, I still enjoy it but it felt like a step back after S, the new characters were ditched for no good reason (they were interesting and popular, to this day I don't get why they weren't used) and there was too much focus on Chibiusa, it sometimes felt like Sailor Moon became a supporting character in her own show.
The manga is faster paced, has much less humor and is actually quite brutal, forget healing people with the power of love, manga Sailor Moon will kill her enemies without thinking about it that much. The story is more serious with a heavy focus on Sailor Moon, don't expect much time devoted to the other soldiers or any time to the villains, most of them are disposable one note characters, the anime made them memorable and quirky chatacters.
Still, the manga is good and worth reading, it actually gets better with time imo, while SuperS is my least favourite anime season, the Dream arc which it's based on is fantastic.
Sailor Moon Crystal is very close to the manga with only minor and ultimately inconsequential changes so far.
My favourite version of the Dark Kingdom arc is actually the live action series Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon. Its tone is closer to the manga, more serious, less funny (although it does have funny moments and even episodes) with tons of character development for everyone, heroes and villains, it's also much more serialized than the old anime.
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