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[lightskintwin]

Birth of a nation was, and is oscar bait. Like, very definition. Not sure about collateral beauty, because it'll be lucky to get a golden globe nomination.

Also, last years Oscar bait movies were the big short and joy. Two movies that existed only for award season.

Birth of a Nation is an independent film, no studio would fund it and he was told multiple times not to make that movie. I think you're calling it Oscar bait because it's a slave film, but it's a slave rebellion film that results in the killing of White men, women, and children.

 

[SchrodingerC]

Assuming that it had the critical push to make it happen in the first place, any talk of why Hail, Caesar! won't be nominated for anything major begins and ends with "it came out in February." The Academy has a short attention span these days.

TBF, the movie isn't praise worthy. While still good, the movie was more of a vehicle for the Coen brothers to make a love letter for old Hollywood that is loosely strung together by a 'story'.
Good production values, music and acting, but boring overall.

 

[BronsonLee]

I loved Hateful Eight and even saw the Roadshow version but that movie wasn't winning shit

 

[HoJu]

i think it's childish to refuse to relate to a narrative like that. tolstoy sucks cuz it's just rich russians in the past. idiotic.

however we have a huge problem with diversity of stories getting onto our cinema screens. it would be very hard for a story like manchester by the sea about death, family, and existential sadness to get its audience without the cast consisting largely of white people. it's like how i can't imagine a black wes anderson getting financed. like someone with his quirky style, melancholic characters and visual invention except nearly all the cast aren't white. the hipster audience wouldn't turn up. a black nebraska. never happening. black inside llewyn davis. nope nope. black her. get out of here.

black stories on screen seem largely to consist of historical or modern racial injustice so white arthouse audiences can congratulate themselves on how woke they are for watching, while ignoring that black people experience all the same varieties of life that the great films have always captured. i'm excited about seeing moonlight but it's a) exception that shows the void and b) is very much being marketed as black and gay two inequalities for the price of one.

Moonlight isn't that and it's been pretty successful...

 

[theignoramus]

I wish Black celebrities would stop giving so much credibility to the Oscars, they snubbed Denzel for Malcolm X, rewarded him for playing an over the top goon of a cop in Training Day, and rewarded Halle Berry for playing a messy whore. That and other dubious selections tell us exactly the kind of content and performances those voters want from our Black actors.

 

[HStallion]

Birth of a Nation is an independent film, no studio would fund it and he was told multiple times not to make that movie. I think you're calling it Oscar bait because it's a slave film, but it's a slave rebellion film that results in the killing of White men, women, and children.

And its all started because the man's women gets raped and a lot of other BS. Birth of the Nation wasn't nearly as good as it was hyped up to be. It felt rather run of the mill slave revolt movie with a mean streak.

 

[Bolivar687]

I had the same feeling about Collateral Beauty.

 

[lightskintwin]

And its all started because the man's women gets raped and a lot of other BS. Birth of the Nation wasn't nearly as good as it was hyped up to be. It felt rather run of the mill slave revolt movie with a mean streak.

It all had to do with the timing and the #Oscarssowhite controversy, and this film immediately following it and being the recipient of getting overrated by critics at the time. It's a good film, just not a great one.

 

[HStallion]

It all had to do with the timing and the #Oscarssowhite controversy, and this film immediately following it and being the recipient of getting overrated by critics at the time. It's a good film, just not a great one.

It also had to do with Nate Parker being a egocentric dick who kept putting his foot in his mouth.

 

[lightskintwin]

It also had to do with Nate Parker being a egocentric dick who kept putting his foot in his mouth.

That had more to do with the success of the film. I think regardless of Nate Parker's controversy, the buzz was going to cool on this film in terms of Academy nominations.

 

[ginger ninja]

The trailers for both Collateral beauty and that Manchester movie are both cringe fests. Look at me I am Matt Damon, I helped produce this movie and I am telling you on good authority its an awesome movie. Get the fuck out of here.

 

[Messofanego]

The trailers for both Collateral beauty and that Manchester movie are both cringe fests. Look at me I am Matt Damon, I directed this movie and I am telling you on good authority its an awesome movie. Get the fuck out of here.

wut

 

[BLACKLAC]

So when is someone making a movie about Kurt Gerron?

 

[lightskintwin]

So when is someone making a movie about Kurt Gerron?

LOL You saw that on Film Theory.

 

[BLACKLAC]

LOL You saw that on Film Theory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdwySyRSgqc&index=30&list=WL

😜

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I thought he was gonna talk about how big of a Creep Casey Affleck is.

Was thinking the same thing.

Collateral Beauty looks awful.

 

[cackhyena]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1323356

Holy shit. Gross.

 

[Dr Duncan Steel]

Never taking the Oscars seriously ever after Stallone's performance of a lifetime lost to whatever the fuck asshole not named Sylvester Stallone robbed him of his recognition. My opinion of the Oscars was and will never be the same. Even after Private Ryan lost to.....that movie.

 

[FriedConsole]

Any movie that has a commerical where someone is talking about how the movie is great is always an overrated Oscar bait movie.

 

[kswiston]

Any movie that has a commerical where someone is talking about how the movie is great is always an overrated Oscar bait movie.

"A Triumph!"

 

[ginger ninja]

wut

There's a Manchester by Sea promo making the rounds on tv where Matt Damon talks about bow good and authentic the movie is about boston or some shit like that. Actors shilling like that for their own movies is the saddest thing ever.

 

[HStallion]

One nice thing is Arrival is racking some promising early nominations. I'd love to see a big smart scifi movie do some winning but we shall see.

 

[MattKeil]

He is right that some films are anointed before they are released

I'd like to anoint Fences as Best Picture at this time. Because it should be.

 

[Kurt Angle]

Rouge one shouldve won an oscar

 

[kswiston]

One nice thing is Arrival is racking some promising early nominations. I'd love to see a big smart scifi movie do some winning but we shall see.

Arrival has a good shot at a best picture nomination, but will be one of those nominees that you know has zero shot at actually winning.

 

[HStallion]

Arrival has a good shot at a best picture nomination, but will be one of those nominees that you know has zero shot at actually winning.

A man can hope! Though I haven't seen Moonlight or some of the other well talked about movies yet.

 

[Gnome]

Agree that it's ridiculous how certain movies get pinpointed for Oscar worth before barely anyone has seen them. It really just becomes a form of overt marketing for the films (as the Oscars are basically a marketing racket anyway).

I don't agree with keeping politics out of film-making, if that's what he's implying with that end statement. It's art, it's political by nature. The only way to avoid this is to make absolute shit, and even then it's not a guarantee to be apolitical.

 

[KHarvey16]

There's a Manchester by Sea promo making the rounds on tv where Matt Damon talks about bow good and authentic the movie is about boston or some shit like that. Actors shilling like that for their own movies is the saddest thing ever.

Matt Damon didn't direct Manchester by the Sea, nor is he in it.

Actors shill for their own movies all the time. Your complaint is very bizarre.

 

[kswiston]

Matt Damon didn't direct Manchester by the Sea, nor is he in it.

Actors shill for their own movies all the time. Your complaint is very bizarre.

He's a producer (one of 5 or 6). Still a bit of a stretch.

 

[Gnome]

Matt Damon didn't direct Manchester by the Sea, nor is he in it.

Actors shill for their own movies all the time. Your complaint is very bizarre.

He's a producer on it. Though I agree, I'm not sure how that makes him a shill. Is he paying himself to say good things about this movie he supports? That makes no sense.

 

[KHarvey16]

He's a producer (one of 5 or 6). Still a bit of a stretch.

He's a producer on it. Though I agree, I'm not sure how that makes him a shill. Is he paying himself to say good things about this movie he supports? That makes no sense.

I know he produced it but that poster's earlier comment mentioned directing and this one implies acting. We can just add it to the list of reasons it doesn't make sense lol

 

[broncobuster]

Last year The Revenant released a mini-documentary about how important the film is. Innaritu would've had a meltdown if he didn't get his awards.

 

[Chumley]

Has anyone in this thread shitting on Manchester by the Sea actually seen it?

Also, about it not being "inclusive". It's set in Manchester. That place is white as fuck, but if you actually see the movie you'd realize it's about human emotions that everyone can identify with.

I'd hate for all adult drama to be lumped in as 'Oscar bait'. We get few enough of those as it is.

Exactly. I don't get why people are taking issue with a small minority of movies that don't even fucking make much money in the first place. Same logic as saying every single superhero movie is automatically brainless.

 

[Timbuktu]

I'd hate for all adult drama to be lumped in as 'Oscar bait'. We get few enough of those as it is.

 

[MattKeil]

Has anyone in this thread shitting on Manchester by the Sea actually seen it?

Also, about it not being "inclusive". It's set in Manchester. That place is white as fuck, but if you actually see the movie you'd realize it's about human emotions that everyone can identify with.

It's the usual sad white guy movie. Down on his luck scruffy and/or angry but quietly lovable white dude experiences some kind of tragedy that propels him to return to "where he came from" where he confronts family traumas and encounters his lost love and he navigates a minefield of memories and reopened wounds to come to terms with his past by doing something that used to be important to him with someone he had once left behind.

The fact that it's emerging as an early Oscar favorite in a year with Moonlight and Fences is fucking ridiculous.

 

[KHarvey16]

It's the usual sad white guy movie. Down on his luck scruffy and/or angry but quietly lovable white dude experiences some kind of tragedy that propels him to return to "where he came from" where he confronts family traumas and encounters his lost love and he navigates a minefield of memories and reopened wounds to come to terms with his past by doing something that used to be important to him with someone he had once left behind.

The fact that it's emerging as an early Oscar favorite in a year with Moonlight and Fences is fucking ridiculous.

Yeah only idiots would like a movie you don't like.

Also, comes to terms? Lost love? You misunderstood the movie.

 

[.JayZii]

I wonder how many years of people saying the Oscars are bullshit it will take for them to stop being bullshit.

I also wonder if people saying that the Oscars are bullshit will be an interesting conversation topic ever again.

 

[shintoki]

It all had to do with the timing and the #Oscarssowhite controversy, and this film immediately following it and being the recipient of getting overrated by critics at the time. It's a good film, just not a great one.

Agreed, the film itself was an Oscar bait film, but rather the outcome of the previous Oscars had companies positioning themselves to pick it up and prop it up for their Oscar pool. Issue was it being junk with the controversy, making Fox deciding to just bury the movie.

 

[jack_package_200]

Patriot's Day seemed pretty oscar baity to me. Taking advantage of a recent tragedy.

Ya'll better not be throwin shade at La La Land tho.

 

[Ridley327]

TBF, the movie isn't praise worthy. While still good, the movie was more of a vehicle for the Coen brothers to make a love letter for old Hollywood that is loosely strung together by a 'story'.
Good production values, music and acting, but boring overall.

I touched upon that with the whole "critical push" comment I made prior to that one, but yeah, it's definitely not the most rapturously received film for the Coens.

 

[ginger ninja]

I know he produced it but that poster's earlier comment mentioned directing and this one implies acting. We can just add it to the list of reasons it doesn't make sense lol

I mixed up directing and producing hence why I went ahead and edited it. If you are actively involved in the making of the movie, your vote of approval literally means jack shit to me. It's actually kind of a turn off. The promo I am talking about with Damon comes off as very self congratulatory.

Again, I haven't seen the movie itself but I am no less likely to because of that promo. It reminds me of when game developers are patting themselves on the back in prelaunch developer videos.

 

[Chumley]

It's the usual sad white guy movie. Down on his luck scruffy and/or angry but quietly lovable white dude experiences some kind of tragedy that propels him to return to "where he came from" where he confronts family traumas and encounters his lost love and he navigates a minefield of memories and reopened wounds to come to terms with his past by doing something that used to be important to him with someone he had once left behind.

The fact that it's emerging as an early Oscar favorite in a year with Moonlight and Fences is fucking ridiculous.

"Usual sad white guy"? You didn't see it, then.

Also, the fact that he's white really has nothing to do with the story at all. Change the location and make him and his family black, asian, or latino and the same themes apply.

 

[Ridley327]

I mixed up directing and producing hence why I went ahead and edited it. If you are actively involved in the making of the movie, your vote of approval literally means jack shit to me. It's actually kind of a turn off. The promo I am talking about with Damon comes off as very self congratulatory.

Again, I haven't seen the movie itself but I less likely to because of that promo. It reminds me of when game developers are patting themselves on the back in prelaunch developer videos.

For a film that's not going to have particularly high commercial prospects, it usually doesn't hurt to have someone like a producer that so happens to be a world-famous actor in its corner. It's nothing more than sensible business.

 

[DOWN]

I don't think collateral beauty looks like Oscar Bait. Looks like Holiday Bait. The premise is too fantasy romantic aimed at young adults and female audiences. It's not a heavy, realism thing that gets oscar attention

 

[Hasphat'sAnts]

It's the usual sad white guy movie. Down on his luck scruffy and/or angry but quietly lovable white dude experiences some kind of tragedy that propels him to return to "where he came from" where he confronts family traumas and encounters his lost love and he navigates a minefield of memories and reopened wounds to come to terms with his past by doing something that used to be important to him with someone he had once left behind.

The fact that it's emerging as an early Oscar favorite in a year with Moonlight and Fences is fucking ridiculous.

Lol okay.

 

[KHarvey16]

I mixed up directing and producing hence why I went ahead and edited it. If you are actively involved in the making of the movie, your vote of approval literally means jack shit to me. It's actually kind of a turn off. The promo I am talking about with Damon comes off as very self congratulatory.

Again, I haven't seen the movie itself but I am no less likely to because of that promo. It reminds me of when game developers are patting themselves on the back in prelaunch developer videos.

Lol, so anytime someone involved in making a movie says it's good in a press junket or on TV you become less interested?

 

[black_13]

He's right. Oscar bait movies are so boring most of the time. The last best picture winner that I've seen was Slumdog Millionaire and that was 8 years ago.

 

[FriedConsole]

I don't think collateral beauty looks like Oscar Bait. Looks like Holiday Bait. The premise is too fantasy romantic aimed at young adults and female audiences. It's not a heavy, realism thing that gets oscar attention

It looks like a Christian movie but this one looks like it is made for atheists.

 

[ginger ninja]

Lol, so anytime someone involved in making a movie says it's good in a press junket or on TV you become less interested?

Pretty much. Specially if they are too on the nose about it. Sorry I don't share your enthusiasm for the said film. Not like it was marketed for me, I rarely watch movies in the cinema.

 

[jack_package_200]

It looks like a Christian movie but this one looks like it is made for atheists.

It does look like a PureFlix film...