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San Fran. Hosts GAYMERX, The World's First Gay Video Gamer Convention Last Weekend

TheSeks

Blinded by the luminous glory that is David Bowie's physical manifestation.
OO i think there should be a sassy gaymer thread full of overly sexual gay puns and double entendres

"i'll play with YOUR joystick"

"Plug and play THIS"

etc etc.

But hey there is already a place for gaymers, it's called MLP forums.

I don't understand why gamers that happen to be gay would want to go to this. Why not just hold a video gamer convention?

Seriously. I guess I can see where they are coming from, but is something specific like this really necessary?

Juniors... one of which was banned:

Let me ask you: Are you gay? I'm wagering no, by your befuddlement. So I'll answer pretty bluntly: You probably wouldn't understand why they do an event like this and I'm not going to take the time to debate to hem and haw with you about this because frankly I doubt I or GAyF would educate you on this.

But short hint: "Straight" gamers can be assholes and having an event strictly for gay men/women that game can be good as both a meeting (whole point of cons) and "agenda"/focus for the con.
 
What do you think is more important, that every event ever planned can be 100% optimally focused on what its main purpose is (I guess we'll ignore all the gaming stuff at Comic-Con, all the comic stuff at games conventions, peripheral makers, energy drink people giving out gamer fuel, military recruiters, car companies, everything else, whatever)...

... or that a big group of people are safe from harassment in one spot at one period of time for a few days?

You are not being harmed. You are welcome there. They would love to show you a good time. They have their arms open. Well, except that they're playing games and talking and exchanging merch and everything else. If you go there, you'll find a bunch of people busy having a convention. If you stand in the lobby saying "Why does this exist? What is the purpose? Why couldn't you be at E3?" you'll be the only one there not at a gaming convention. Do you get it?

I'm actually still confused why a group of people with similar interests would want to get together and have fun discussing those interests???
 
How can you NOT understand why gay gamers would want a video game convention tailored to their preferences? Video game conventions have an overwhelming amount of straight male focused entertainment: booth babes, boobs, more boobs, talking about babes and boobs.

You can repeat it as many times as you like, you're still just listing one thing: booth babes.

More power to gay people if they want to host a convention, but I think the POV of straight people who don't see the need is that they go to E3 and the like to play and talk about games. It's neither hetero or homosexual, sex doesn't factor into the equation. To me it's like hearing that they're opening a gay McDonalds - fine by me, I just don't experience going to McDonalds through that prism.
 

Stumpokapow

listen to the mad man
I see I see, good replies. Also Call of Duty, lol. "Do you expect the average gay person would feel safe taking part? That they could be assured they wouldn't be called a fag?" I don't think any human being walking through a CoDCon could be assured they wouldn't be called a fag. I get your point, but it's a little much as I meant your average con and not an imaginary one dedicated to, stereotypically, the most offensive community.

Well, sure. But I think you can consider the kind of scenarios that your mind would obviously come to for a hypothetical CoDCon, and extrapolate them back to a normal gaming con. And the thing is even if 90% of the attendees are nice and welcoming, that 10% have the capacity to inflict a lot of psychological damage on someone by abusing them based on their identity.
 
Why do you think a "gay convention" (actually, it's a convention for gay video gamers) was set up? ________

How do you apply what you just said to a "straight convention"?

First and foremost, I'm from Amsterdam, know a few gay people, all fine and dandy.

Now about that gay gamers convention, if the goal is to be accepted as a full member of society, then why a separate convention.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that this creates a sub group, and that is my point.

Here in Amsterdam we celebrate "Gay pride" once a year with a spectacular million people party in the city.
There's no need for a gay gamers/movie buffs/classical music/biker gang because its counter productive, unless the agenda is to gang up for an eventual private island somewhere.... .

I find it rather weird to see ppl gasping at my previous post but i hear here in Holland we are decades past the herd, its a non issue here.
Hey! lets do a gamer convention for *fill in (any) sex / sexuall prefference OR color"... its just fucking dumb imo, unless the agenda is to seperate afterall, which i think it is.
 
I don't think the "why do gay people need this" question is one I want to dignify all that much, because having such a convention hurts absolutely nobody, but -

Straight people need to understand that it can actually be kind of difficult to meet other LGBTQ people through common interests (I believe the book club example was raised earlier in the thread). Generally speaking, gay people have gay bars, in which the sole thing everyone has in common is their sexuality, and other fora in which you have low odds of meeting someone who actually shares your interests. So gay culture has a lot of socializing groups - like gaymer groups - which really are just about finding other gay people who share your interests, especially because a lot of us aren't in close contact with friends from when we were younger (coming out can be pretty damn tough sometimes). If gaming is someone's number one hobby, that can also be pretty difficult to share if you're dating someone who has no interest in it and instead wants to go out all the time (for example). The opportunity to actually meet and network with other queer people who also share your hobby - either for dating or just for friendship - is a necessary one, and one that LGBTQ people work to construct for these very good reasons.
Now about that gay gamers convention, if the goal is to be accepted as a full member of society, then why a separate convention.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that this creates a sub group, and that is my point.
Because it's okay for people who are different to be accepted as a full member of society and still remain different.
 

Emitan

Member
Now about that gay gamers convention, if the goal is to be accepted as a full member of society, then why a separate convention.

Gaming is the largest entertainment industry, one that is larger than music and film, yet until now, there has never been a safe space for queer geeks and their friends to come together, discuss queer theory in games as a community, and party as one.

GaymerX is that convention - a weekend of fun, socializing, and educational panels in the heart of San Francisco.

The goal is to provide a safe space.
 
First and foremost, I'm from Amsterdam, know a few gay people, all fine and dandy.

Now about that gay gamers convention, if the goal is to be accepted as a full member of society, then why a separate convention.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that this creates a sub group, and that is my point.

Here in Amsterdam we celebrate "Gay pride" once a year with a spectacular million people party in the city.
There's no need for a gay gamers/movie buffs/classical music/biker gang because its counter productive, unless the agenda is to gang up for an eventual private island somewhere.... .

I find it pretty funny to see ppl gasping at my previous post but i hear here in Holland we are decades past the herd, its a non issue here.

Lets do a gamer convention for *fill in (any) sexuall prefference"... its dumb.

You seem to be forgetting that no one was excluded from this convention. It's functionally no different from your Amsterdam Gay Pride parades.
 
I didn't know they had game conventions for specific groups. If thats the case I look forward to the black gaming convention as well as the gaming for Jesus convention. They do exist right?
 

Ahasverus

Member
It's simple, have you ever iamgined going with your gamer boyfriend to a convention holding hands and having couple time togheter? You'd probably get beaten//laughd at hard. And as people have told before me, this convention was not exclusive for gay gamers
 

HYDE

Member
I don't understand why gamers that happen to be gay would want to go to this. Why not just hold a video gamer convention?

100% agree, do we need a married convention, then a Hispanic/Black/Caucasian/Asian etc...convention?

Why try to stand out?? Is being gay a religion or society now??? I thought it was just a sexual orientation.
 
100% agree, do we need a married convention, then a Hispanic/Black/Caucasian/Asian etc...convention?

Why try to stand out?? Is being gay a religion or society now??? I thought it was just a sexual orientation.

You don't think providing a safe place for people from a marginalized group to celebrate a common interest is a good idea?
 

The Adder

Banned
I hate this so much!

Why do people who aren't ME need a convention that focuses on aspects of MY interest that I never consider and don't care about!

Why can't they be happy going to one of the literal hundreds of conventions that have an implicit bias towards and focus on MY concerns and MY interests and what I want to see. And have guests that look like ME and have similar backgrounds and experiences to ME.

Damn if there is even one convention that has a focus on the interests of a group of people that doesn't includeME I just start practically, or literally foaming at the mouth!

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I know this isn't the intent of most of the people making the "why is this needed" comment, but this is honestly how a lot of people who do understand why such a convention exists read your posts.
 

Sblargh

Banned
I see I see, good replies. Also Call of Duty, lol. "Do you expect the average gay person would feel safe taking part? That they could be assured they wouldn't be called a fag?" I don't think any human being walking through a CoDCon could be assured they wouldn't be called a fag. I get your point, but it's a little much as I meant your average con and not an imaginary one dedicated to, stereotypically, the most offensive community.

This kind of dismissal ("Call of Duty. lol") has been annoying me lately, because I feel it is used to create a safe space for homophobes, racistas, etc. to create the kind of exclusionary community where minorities can be a part only if they either mute everyobdy (exclude themselves from communication) or hide what they are and/or accepted being humilliated while just trying to play a game.

There's this notion that it is ok to be a horrible human being as long as you are playing CoD or MOBAs, because "that's how these communities are". I don't like the idea of very large and important gaming communities feeling so incredibly safe in their everyday and mundane hate speech. And then something like the feminist frequency kickstarter happens and rape threats happens and people wonder where does this hate comes from? It doesn't come from anywhere, it's already here, but we dismiss it as "CoD lol".

(I'm not trying to target you personally in any way, it's just that this has been on my mind lately)
 

Grakl

Member
First and foremost, I'm from Amsterdam, know a few gay people, all fine and dandy.

Now about that gay gamers convention, if the goal is to be accepted as a full member of society, then why a separate convention.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that this creates a sub group, and that is my point.

Here in Amsterdam we celebrate "Gay pride" once a year with a spectacular million people party in the city.
There's no need for a gay gamers/movie buffs/classical music/biker gang because its counter productive, unless the agenda is to gang up for an eventual private island somewhere.... .

I find it rather weird to see ppl gasping at my previous post but i hear here in Holland we are decades past the herd, its a non issue here.

You're not in the United States. Plus, it wasn't exclusionary. Anybody can go. Read the thread.

Hey! lets do a gamer convention for *fill in (any) sex / sexuall prefference OR color"... its just fucking dumb imo, unless the agenda is to seperate afterall, which i think it is.

Really?

100% agree, do we need a married convention, then a Hispanic/Black/Caucasian/Asian etc...convention?

Why try to stand out?? Is being gay a religion or society now??? I thought it was just a sexual orientation.

Bolded. If you think sexual orientation has no bearing on how people treat you, then you don't pay attention to the news or the world around you. Gaming culture is surrounded by the idea of saving the princess, being the alpha male, calling people faggots, booth babes, etc.. People can make conventions for minorities if they want to.

Why try to stand out? Ugh. At this point it's really hard to want to follow this thread anymore. People want to be accepted. Raising awareness by having a convention that promotes a safe and welcome space to create stories with other fellow gay gamers is a way to be accepted and take queerness in to the mainstream.
 

Stumpokapow

listen to the mad man
100% agree, do we need a married convention, then a Hispanic/Black/Caucasian/Asian etc...convention?

Why try to stand out?? Is being gay a religion or society now??? I thought it was just a sexual orientation.

Hispanic, black, and asian conventions could all add things to the discussion of gaming as it is relevant to those communities. If you feel that caucasians don't have a safe space in conventional gaming conventions--or if you feel that there are cultural elements common to caucusian existence that do not have representation in games (for example, you almost never have a caucasian game character, and we should probably talk about that), then there should be a caucastion convention. Marriage doesn't seem to have any impact on anything, although insofar as being married comes with it discussions about how to split time between relationship and gaming, how to compete without hating each other, gaming with kids, etc all of that is very interesting and deserves a place to discuss.

It's not trying to stand out. It's trying to stand at all. Straight people are welcome. Come and join them. They want you to attend. All are welcome. It's a place that's friendly and welcoming. Be who you are. Be how you are. There's no judgment there.

You are not using the word "society" in any English language context it can be used in; being gay is not a religion although like a religion it is a deeply ingrained part of a person's identity that informs their interaction with media and with other people (and like a religion it is a site of persecution throughout history).
 

The Adder

Banned
I didn't know they had game conventions for specific groups. If thats the case I look forward to the black gaming convention as well as the gaming for Jesus convention. They do exist right?

Conventions aren't handed out. Put together the money, do the legwork, develop the connections, make the calls, and that's how you get those cons.

Actually, if I had the drive, I'd be interested in setting up a Black Gamer Con and Relgion in Gaming Con. There are interesting discussions to be had.
 
It's simple, have you ever iamgined going with your gamer boyfriend to a convention holding hands and having couple time togheter? You'd probably get beaten//laughd at hard. And as people have told before me, this convention was not exclusive for gay gamers

I have and a lot of people stared.. and a lot of people complimented us.. The thing is, there is a lot of homophobia in gaming. Have you ever used xbox live? Its predominately young kids spouting racist and homophobic slurs.
 
You seem to be forgetting that no one was excluded from this convention. It's functionally no different from your Amsterdam Gay Pride parades.

I'm not forgetting anything, the name of the converence is the problem...

Black gamers converence?
Female gamers converence?
Converence for ginger Gamers ?
Gameing converence for people who walk with a limp...

Why not just Gamers Converence, thats how it should be, everybody welcome, we all cool.
You don't see it do you...
 

brandnew

Member
Now about that gay gamers convention, if the goal is to be accepted as a full member of society, then why a separate convention.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that this creates a sub group, and that is my point.

The convention didn't create the "sub group", it already existed. Gay gamers didn't separate themselves from the "mainstream" gaming community.
 

Sblargh

Banned
A christian gaming convention would actually make sense, imo. Even if we guess that the majority of gamers are christians; religious themes tend to be done poorly on games and more often than not, the religious character is the crazy zealous crusader character.

It would be nice to see what kind of discussion would come from a christian convention.
 

Grakl

Member
Why not just Gamers Converence, thats how it should be, everybody welcome, we all cool.
You don't see it do you...

No, you don't. Everyone is welcome to the convention. You're just purposefully not even reading anybody's responses at this point. Useless.
 

Ahasverus

Member
I have and a lot of people stared.. and a lot of people complimented us.. The thing is, there is a lot of homophobia in gaming. Have you ever used xbox live? Its predominately young kids spouting racist and homophobic slurs.
You my man.

I personally think this got blown out of proportion.
I wasn't being sarcastic.
I want a gamer boyfriend.
I wish mine thought like you do u.u
 

The Adder

Banned
A christian gaming convention would actually make sense, imo. Even if we guess that the majority of gamers are christians; religious themes tend to be done poorly on games and more often than not, the religious character is the crazy zealous crusader character.

It would be nice to see what kind of discussion would come from a christian convention.

Right!? Honestly, the mental picture I got when it was brought up was pretty compelling.
 

Emitan

Member
I'm not forgetting anything, the name of the converence is the problem...

Black gamers converence?
Female gamers converence?
Converence for ginger Gamers ?
Gameing converence for people who walk with a limp...

Why not just Gamers Converence, thats how it should be, everybody welcome, we all cool.
You don't see it do you...

Are you ignoring everyone's responses to you? This con was created as a safe place for LGBT/queer/allies/etc people to have fun with video games.
 
Jeez, this is causing way more of a ruckus than I would have imagined. Let's play an example game: Suppose I want a videogame convention that's MC-ed by sassy drag-queens, has glitter and confetti cannons, a dancefloor with sweaty-dance remixes of videogame OSTs, and go-go boys in tuxe-speedos. (Y'know, to add a touch of class to the event.) I understand that the average videogame convention attendee is probably not gonna enjoy this after the novelty wears off, so what's the harm in making a separate convention that offers these things, which happens to be open for anyone that wants to attend?
 

RayMaker

Banned
According to whom? I feel like a lot of these criticisms boil down to a lack of critical thought wherein you have a valid observation only insofar as you are looking at the issue in an incredibly superficial manner. Let's ignore any attention on the attendees for a moment. Some conventions are about promoting new games. Some are about retro games. Some are about a specific company's games. Others are about a specific genre of gaming. This other convention might encompass all Gaming (i.e. video, card, board, etc.), while another might focus on just board games.

So, when you look at it in that fashion, clearly, not all gaming conventions are created equally. Now, when you consider that there are many different answers to the question "what should this convention be about," does it still surprise you that there can be different answers to the question "who is this convention aimed at?" Because it doesn't strike me as a difficult thing to understand why some might find such an endeavor appealing (i.e. promoting a friendly environment for homosexual gamers) even if I don't think it's an event specifically aimed at me. As per the description, I can still attend if I should desire, but even if I don't feel compelled to, I can be happy for those who are eager to attend such an event.

Mind you, I do understand that some may feel like promotion of one type of attendee may prove detrimental to another resulting in a "what about my group?" response. However, that should be fleeting. Meaning, does anybody honestly think we need a gaming event targeted at straight people? Specifically, what I'm asking is does anybody really want such an event to occur aside from wanting to make a disingenuous rhetorical point?

But back to the question of "why is sexuality a factor at all?" Well, it doesn't inherently need to be. However, there are clearly people in the community that think this kind of convention is important. And I'm not sure why I should doubt their sincerity or concerns.

I dont doubt their sincerity or concerns and I understand it may be a more welcoming environment but I still think it makes a gaming show less of gaming show because the distraction the stigma creates, which I think is bad thing because the main purpose of games show is the games and anything that distracts from that in a big way is diminishing the the overall goal.

If Brazzers made a gaming convention do you think it would be as much about the games as E3?
 

Alucrid

Banned
First and foremost, I'm from Amsterdam, know a few gay people, all fine and dandy.

Now about that gay gamers convention, if the goal is to be accepted as a full member of society, then why a separate convention.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that this creates a sub group, and that is my point.

Here in Amsterdam we celebrate "Gay pride" once a year with a spectacular million people party in the city.
There's no need for a gay gamers/movie buffs/classical music/biker gang because its counter productive, unless the agenda is to gang up for an eventual private island somewhere.... .

I find it rather weird to see ppl gasping at my previous post but i hear here in Holland we are decades past the herd, its a non issue here.
Hey! lets do a gamer convention for *fill in (any) sex / sexuall prefference OR color"... its just fucking dumb imo, unless the agenda is to seperate afterall, which i think it is.

It's not that hard to understand. You seem to see it as a gaming convention solely for gay people while it's actually a gay gamer convention. There's a difference.
 
I'm not forgetting anything, the name of the converence is the problem...

Black gamers converence?
Female gamers converence?
Converence for ginger Gamers ?
Gameing converence for people who walk with a limp...

Why not just Gamers Converence, thats how it should be, everybody welcome, we all cool.
You don't see it do you...

Everyone is already welcome, though. All of the conventions (converence? Is that a foreign word?) you listed are perfectly fine. I'd actually advocate them, even thought I don't fall under any of those categories.

I think it is actually you being the one not seeing the bigger picture here.
 

Hedge

Member
I'm not forgetting anything, the name of the converence is the problem...

Black gamers converence?
Female gamers converence?
Converence for ginger Gamers ?
Gameing converence for people who walk with a limp...

Why not just Gamers Converence, thats how it should be, everybody welcome, we all cool.
You don't see it do you...

The problem here is that - yes- it should be like that. But it isn't. Because people. While people might be alright and super-okay with it in Amsterdam, that is not true for the rest of the world. You can't decide who needs a safe-place where. Societies are vastly different around the world, and there is a lot of violence and rage out there. If I can go somewhere to avoid that - I will! And you can join me, as long as you don't give in to the rage and the violence. :)
 
I'm not forgetting anything, the name of the converence is the problem...

Black gamers converence?
Female gamers converence?
Converence for ginger Gamers ?
Gameing converence for people who walk with a limp...

Why not just Gamers Converence, thats how it should be, everybody welcome, we all cool.
You don't see it do you...
Man, why are you so anti this con? You have multiple people in this thread, gay, straight, bi, or something else all telling you WHY this con exists and needs to exist, yet you keep trying to argue against them. Like why do you, a presumably straight male, feel the need to tell homosexual and bisexual gamers what they should and shouldn't do?
 
Meh straight gamers could attend too

It's certainly not a bad thing just not sure if it's necessary but if its successful that's cool

More cons are likely a good thing

Perhaps there should be a VG con tailored to female gamers?

Or is that silly?

Can some female gaffers weigh in on that idea?
 
I dont doubt their sincerity or concerns and I understand it may be a more welcoming environment but I still think it makes a gaming show less of gaming show because the distraction the stigma creates, which I think is bad thing because the main purpose of games show is the games and anything that distracts from that in a big way is diminishing the the overall goal.

The goal is to create a safe space where LGBT people talk about video games. And guess what?
Mission.
Fucking.
Accomplished.
 

SmokyDave

Member
I dont doubt their sincerity or concerns and I understand it may be a more welcoming environment but I still think it makes a gaming show less of gaming show because the distraction the stigma creates which I think is bad thing because the main purpose of games show is the games and anything that distracts from that in a big way is diminishing the the overall goal.

If Brazzers made a gaming convention do you think it would be as much about the games as E3?
Who says that was the goal of this event?

Perhaps the goal was to create an event that fostered a welcoming environment for gay gamers and the actual games play second fiddle. Would that really matter? Will E3 disappear in a puff of smoke now?
 

Stumpokapow

listen to the mad man
I dont doubt their sincerity or concerns and I understand it may be a more welcoming environment but I still think it makes a gaming show less of gaming show because the distraction the stigma creates, which I think is bad thing because the main purpose of games show is the games and anything that distracts from that in a big way is diminishing the the overall goal.

In the same sense that posting on a gaming forum is a distraction from gaming?
 

Kamion

Member
I don't really get the reason why we need a "Gay Video Game Convention." I don't know if people felt discriminated or unsafe on "normal" conventions before (I haven't) or how this happened.

Still, if even one person felt safer going to a convention actually marketed towards them, that's a good thing.

Protip: You can go to gay events even when you're straight. We don't mind.
 
I dont doubt their sincerity or concerns and I understand it may be a more welcoming environment but I still think it makes a gaming show less of gaming show because the distraction the stigma creates, which I think is bad thing because the main purpose of games show is the games and anything that distracts from that in a big way is diminishing the the overall goal.

If Brazzers made a gaming convention do you think it would be as much about the games as E3?

Wow. You don't get it. You not only don't get it, it seems like you're going out of your way to not understand it, not learn about it, and to insult it with horrible comparisons.
 

brandnew

Member
Man, why are you so anti this con? You have multiple people in this thread, gay, straight, bi, or something else all telling you WHY this con exists and needs to exist, yet you keep trying to argue against them. Like why do you, a presumably straight male, feel the need to tell homosexual and bisexual gamers what they should and shouldn't do?

This is how I feel about every debate surrounding gay rights. Why do people feel the need to prevent other people from being happy? Gaymer X happened and *gasp* video games are still video games. Absolutely no harm, literally none, was done to anyone so what is the big deal?
 
I dont doubt their sincerity or concerns and I understand it may be a more welcoming environment but I still think it makes a gaming show less of gaming show because the distraction the stigma creates, which I think is bad thing because the main purpose of games show is the games and anything that distracts from that in a big way is diminishing the the overall goal.

If Brazzers made a gaming convention do you think it would be as much about the games as E3?

So nobody is allowed to make a show that involved videogames, unless it's exclusively about videogames only?
 
I dont doubt their sincerity or concerns and I understand it may be a more welcoming environment but I still think it makes a gaming show less of gaming show because the distraction the stigma creates which I think is bad thing because the main purpose of games show is the games and anything that distracts from that in a big way is diminishing the the overall goal.

Again, my suspicion is just that you're not really thinking about this very critically. Generally, a convention will be thought up by a group of people called promoters, and those promoters can promote whatever they want. There doesn't have to be one cohesive "main" purpose. There can be ten purposes. There is no defined itinerary for "How to run a games show."

If Brazzers made a gaming convention do you think it would be as much about the games as E3?

There's no really nice way to put this, so I'll just say it: this is idiotic drivel.
 
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