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[davepoobond]

What a mess. And none of this bad shit will get posted on Twitter, Reddit, tumblr etc because they are all too busy posting complicated math about how he still has a chance and Hillary conspiracy theories for the nth time.

Feel the bern is now describing the collective aneurysm he is giving rational people

 

[ExplodingKetchup]

Regret voting for Bernie in my primary now. Oop

 

[Garrett Hawke]

Feel the bern is now describing the collective aneurysm he is giving rational people

lmao

 

[BanGy.nz]

The Barney Frank statement on Sanders reminds me a bit of the Peter King/Boehner reactions to Cruz. King and Boehner were more harsh though. I think Boehner called Cruz Lucifer, and King preferred drinking poison or something before supporting Cruz.

Both Cruz and Sanders want purity on their sides.

It was Lindsey Graham who compared Ted Cruz to drinking poison not Peter 'I helped fund the IRA' King.

 

[<+)O Robido O(+>]

I hope providing the "context" isn't meant to defend those statements.

Have drones killed innocent children? Has Obama done/said (at the time the statement was made) anything meaningful about police running amok or institutional racism? Point out the lie and I'll rebuke it.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Regret voting for Bernie in my primary now. Oop

Hindsight is 20/20. But honestly, at the time when I voted, he was choice of the big two. He has some good ideas. But holy shit snacks is he turning into a douche canoe. Goddamn...

 

[OuterLimits]

Feel free to stomp on your hopes of remaining relevant beyond this primary, Bernie. I'm sure turning away Democratic voters will do no harm to the future prospects of any ideas that are attached to your name.

He is 74 and getting massive crowds after spending years in politics and not many people really knowing much about him. He probably believes he is really leading some massive revolution. I doubt he ever expected to win more than a handful of states, yet has won 20 or so. He doesn't want this ride to end.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

It's not. Built-in implies a clause in the document that outlines the function of the party system. You can argue the items in the constitution pushes for parties to form but it's not inherent and you can follow the constitution to be T without having any parties affiliated in an election.

Hence early elections with multiple parties and affiliations all with legitimate shots at Congress and the presidency.

 

[Frozenprince]

Go get more people to vote Green if it's really a hotbed issue.

They've got 50 something local seats last I checked, that's not nothing.

It might as well be but, you know. There is NOTHING preventing you from voting third party. If you want to foster more people to do so, start campaigning.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Have drones killed innocent children? Has Obama done/said (at the time the statement was made) anything meaningful about police running amok or institutional racism? Point out the lie and I'll rebuke it.

Zimmerman is a fucking psychopath, and Obama alone can't fucking change the god damn system, the world is a fucking complicated place that doesn't need people throwing around simplistic caustic the bullshit language that Cornel West has, he belongs nowhere near the DNC and yet here we are he's going and Sanders wants to stop Barney Frank one of the most hard working progressive (not to mention a gay man so a minority in his own right) Congressmen the Dems have ever had from being there because Frank was mean to him.

 

[Drek]

Have drones killed innocent children? Has Obama done/said (at the time the statement was made) anything meaningful about police running amok or institutional racism? Point out the lie and I'll rebuke it.

Drones are more accurate than bombing from planes. They also have less collateral damage than the employment of rapid deployment military strike forces. The U.S. is going to continue taking out high priority terrorist targets, the POTUS does not have the ability to stop that. Obama's methods are, as a point of fact, the most humane way to meet that obligation in terms of total human life lost.

Also, his justice department is by far the most aggressive to date in pursuing discriminatory practices by police departments or political infrastructure. But again, he's the President, not a God King.

Maybe you and Cornell West should learn about the actual limits of presidential power. Just because there's a black dude in the White House doesn't mean we could fix racism if only Obama would wave his magic scepter.

 

[OuterLimits]

Just curious. I'm assuming Sanders has lost elections in the past? Was he bitter in defeat then? Maybe he really is just a John McEnroe of politics.

 

[Xe4]

God dammit Bernie. Shit like this makes me wish I had referred Democratic so I could vote against him. Figured I didn't have to since it was such a blowout and my state (NM) wouldn't even matter.

Oh well. Chances are Hillary is gonna win NM anyhow and I'll be voting and donating to her in the general.

 

[MHWilliams]

He said:

And:

Let me explain Cornel West to you. West loves the spotlight. Loves it.

West says the betrayal occurred on two levels.

&#8220;There is the personal level,&#8221; he says. &#8220;I used to call my dear brother [Obama] every two weeks. I said a prayer on the phone for him, especially before a debate. And I never got a call back. And when I ran into him in the state Capitol in South Carolina when I was down there campaigning for him he was very kind. The first thing he told me was, &#8216;Brother West, I feel so bad. I haven&#8217;t called you back. You been calling me so much. You been giving me so much love, so much support and what have you.&#8217; And I said, &#8216;I know you&#8217;re busy.&#8217; But then a month and half later I would run into other people on the campaign and he&#8217;s calling them all the time. I said, wow, this is kind of strange. He doesn&#8217;t have time, even two seconds, to say thank you or I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re pulling for me and praying for me, but he&#8217;s calling these other people. I said, this is very interesting. And then as it turns out with the inauguration I couldn&#8217;t get a ticket with my mother and my brother. I said this is very strange. We drive into the hotel and the guy who picks up my bags from the hotel has a ticket to the inauguration. My mom says, &#8216;That&#8217;s something that this dear brother can get a ticket and you can&#8217;t get one, honey, all the work you did for him from Iowa.&#8217; Beginning in Iowa to Ohio. We had to watch the thing in the hotel.

&#8220;What it said to me on a personal level,&#8221; he goes on, &#8220;was that brother Barack Obama had no sense of gratitude, no sense of loyalty, no sense of even courtesy, [no] sense of decency, just to say thank you. Is this the kind of manipulative, Machiavellian orientation we ought to get used to? That was on a personal level.&#8221;

So he feels slighted. It's at this point the West goes in.

&#8220;I think my dear brother Barack Obama has a certain fear of free black men,&#8221; West says. &#8220;It&#8217;s understandable. As a young brother who grows up in a white context, brilliant African father, he&#8217;s always had to fear being a white man with black skin. All he has known culturally is white. He is just as human as I am, but that is his cultural formation. When he meets an independent black brother, it is frightening. And that&#8217;s true for a white brother. When you get a white brother who meets a free, independent black man, they got to be mature to really embrace fully what the brother is saying to them. It&#8217;s a tension, given the history. It can be overcome. Obama, coming out of Kansas influence, white, loving grandparents, coming out of Hawaii and Indonesia, when he meets these independent black folk who have a history of slavery, Jim Crow, Jane Crow and so on, he is very apprehensive. He has a certain rootlessness, a deracination. It is understandable.

&#8220;He feels most comfortable with upper middle-class white and Jewish men who consider themselves very smart, very savvy and very effective in getting what they want,&#8221; he says. &#8220;He&#8217;s got two homes. He has got his family and whatever challenges go on there, and this other home. Larry Summers blows his mind because he&#8217;s so smart. He&#8217;s got Establishment connections. He&#8217;s embracing me. It is this smartness, this truncated brilliance, that titillates and stimulates brother Barack and makes him feel at home. That is very sad for me.

One, to attack anyone goddamn racial identity like that is reprehensible. Which is pretty much why others pretty much dropped West like a goddamn hot potato.

This Town Deserves a Better Class of Critic - Ta Nehesi Coates

But I have searched West's argument repeatedly, and found only thin evidence of such criticism. West is disappointed with the tapping of Geithner and Summers. He also thinks it would be a good idea for Michelle Obama to abandon her childhood obesity campaign and tour America's prisons.

But there is nothing in West's volley about how the lack of public option will ultimately hurt poor black people. There no real attempt to argue that the Dodd-Frank won't actually end the problem of too big too fail. There's no detailed critique of how Obama's willingness to see Planned Parenthood defunded in local Washington D.C. ultimately hurts black women. There are no hot words for an Obama-led Democratic Party failing to deliver congressional representation to Washington, D.C. despite holding the House, Senate and the presidency. There is no serious assessment of the Office of Urban Policy.

In sum, there isn't much policy anywhere in West's article or in Glaude's defense. But even if there were substance beneath West's essentialist dogma, this fact would not make it excusable. Should I find a Latino man blocking my way as I walk down the street, it would take some hubris to insist that the "Spic get out of my way." But it would take much more for me to, while in the midst of picking my teeth, to insist that, as a matter of fact, the Spic really was blocking the sidewalk. Dinesh D'souza does not get to call Obama a Kenyan anti-colonialist, and then protest that we missed the deeper aspects of his argument.

And this is really the point. In the matter at hand, there is no real difference between the tribalism offered by D'Souza and his ilk, and the tribalism offered by West and his defenders. There is no real difference between Tea Partiers who insist that NAACP are the actual racists, and those who believe Obama is a "black mascot" damning the influence of identity politics. There is no real difference between those who push their agenda by implying that Obama isn't really American, and those who push their agenda by implying that Obama isn't really black.

Cornel West v. Barack Obama - Melissa Harris-Perry

Professor Cornel West is President Obama&#8217;s silenced, disregarded, disrespected moral conscience, according to Chris Hedges&#8217;s recent Truthdig column, &#8220;The Obama Deception: Why Cornel West went Ballistic.&#8221; In a self-aggrandizing, victimology sermon deceptively wrapped in the discourse of prophetic witness, Professor West offers thin criticism of President Obama and stunning insight into the delicate ego of the self-appointed black leadership class that has been largely supplanted in recent years.

West begins with a bit of historical revision. West suggests that the president discarded him without provocation after he offered the Obama for America campaign his loyal service and prayers. But anyone with a casual knowledge of this rift knows it began during the Democratic primary, not after the election. It began, not with a puffed-up president but when Cornel West&#8217;s &#8220;dear brother&#8221; Tavis Smiley threw a public tantrum because Senator Obama refused to attend Smiley&#8217;s annual State of Black America. Smiley repeatedly suggested that his forum was the necessary black vetting space for the Democratic nominees. He needed to ask Obama and Clinton tough questions so that black America could get the answers it needed. But black America was doing a fine job making up its own mind in the primaries and didn&#8217;t need Smiley&#8217;s blessing to determine their own electoral preferences.

What exactly is so irritating to West about inaugural ticket-gate? It can&#8217;t be a claim that the black, progressive intellectual community was unrepresented. Yale&#8217;s Elizabeth Alexander was the poet that cold morning. It can&#8217;t be that the &#8220;common man&#8221; was shut out because the Neighborhood Ball was reserved for the ordinary women and and men who worked to make Obama &#8217;08 possible. It must be a simple matter of jealous indignation. While I appreciate the humanness in such a reaction, it hardly counts as a prophetic critique.

This comment is utter hilarity coming from Cornel West who has spent the bulk of his adulthood living in those deeply rooted, culturally rich, historically important black communities of Cambridge, Massachusetts, and Princeton, New Jersey. And it is hard to see his claim that Obama is &#8220;most comfortable with upper middle-class white and Jewish men who consider themselves very smart, very savvy and very effective in getting what they&#8221; as anything other than a classic projection of his own comfortably ensconced life at Harvard and Princeton Universities. Harvard and Princeton are not places that are particularly noted for their liberating history for black men.

Let me be clear, being an Ivy League professor does not mean that one has no room to offer critical engagement on issues of race. Like Professor West, I too make my living at elite, predominantly white institutions. For the past five years we were on the same payroll at Princeton. Like Professor West I supplement my income by giving lectures about race, politics and history. Like West, I hope to influence policy, inspire individuals and intervene in public conversations about race. My criticism of West is his seeming unwillingness to acknowledge how our structural positions within the academy and in public intellectual life can be just as compromising to our position vis-à-vis black communities as is President Obama&#8217;s.

As West derides the president&#8217;s economic policies he remains silent on his friend Tavis Smiley&#8217;s relationship with Wal-Mart, Wells Fargo and McDonald&#8217;s&#8212;all corporations whose invasive and predatory actions in poor and black communities have been the target of progressive organizing for decades. I have never heard him take Tavis Smiley to task for helping convince black Americans to enter into predatory mortgages. I&#8217;ve never heard him ask whether Tavis&#8217;s decision to publish R. Kelley&#8217;s memoirs might be a less than progressive decision. He doesn&#8217;t hold Tavis accountable because Tavis is his friend and he is loyal.

I have many criticisms of the Obama administration. But I can tell the difference between a substantive criticism and a personal attack. It is clear to me that West&#8217;s ego, not the health of American democracy, is the wounded creature in this story.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cornel-w...ce-black-msnbc-hosts-are-selling-their-souls/

West then took a stab at the president: &#8220;It&#8217;s very sad. I mean, I&#8217;m glad there was not a right-wing takeover, but we end up with a Republican, a Rockefeller Republican in blackface, with Barack Obama, so that our struggle with regard to poverty intensifies,&#8221; he said.

Viewpoint: What&#8217;s Behind Cornel West&#8217;s Attacks on Obama

There&#8217;s nothing wrong with critiquing the President, but the reference to blackface is a verbal Molotov cocktail. And it doesn&#8217;t even make sense: if Obama&#8217;s in blackface then he&#8217;s performing a grotesque caricature of blackness that is a white fantasy of a harmless, docile black person. Is that what he&#8217;s doing? Is Obama not the opposite of that as a calm, dignified, intellectual alpha male? I&#8217;m not really sure why blackface was mentioned or what it&#8217;s supposed to mean unless it&#8217;s a way of calling Obama an Oreo&#8212;black on the outside and white on the inside. But that&#8217;s just a guess. Earlier this year, West told TruthDig that Obama is &#8220;a black mascot of Wall Street oligarchs and a black puppet of corporate plutocrats.&#8221; I&#8217;m not sure why race is even injected into that critique.

West, currently a professor at Union Theological Seminary, seems to be speaking from a place of idealism rather than realism, which is his wont as a philosopher, but that does not make him a serious Obama critic. West speaks of presidents needing someone to push them to greatness, but does the inflammatory nature of his attacks make him eligible for that position?

I still believe that West can and should be a critical American public intellectual. I wish that he would return from whatever emotional place he&#8217;s gone that has led to his critique of Obama being so venomous and thus inconsequential. West is more valuable when his critique is more sober, and America is better when West is a prophetic voice pushing us to be our best. I miss the West I love.

You want more? Here's a long read.

The Ghost of Cornel West - Michael Eric Dyson

Cornel West cares about Cornel West. A broken clock is right twice a day and he may have laudable policies occasionally, but he's a narcissist out to get his and Bernie Sanders is his new way to do it. If you feel those quotes are taken out of context, trust me, he's got a ton more completely in context.

My apologies for the derail.

 

[User 463088]

Just curious. I'm assuming Sanders has lost elections in the past? Was he bitter in defeat then? Maybe he really is just a John McEnroe of politics.

He has lost quite a few. (I think a total of 6 elections, not counting this one). And, yes, he's had a track record of...you know, not taking it well. When he ran for Governor of Vermont in 86, he pulled some of the same rhetoric out of the bag when running against Madeleine May Kunin. Once it was clear he wasn't going to win, he tried to pull the unqualified card on her too. He also pulled the "I'm better for women" card too. Plus, he managed to call her and the Republican running Tweedledee and Tweedledum. So...ya.

 

[OuterLimits]

Go get more people to vote Green if it's really a hotbed issue.

They've got 50 something local seats last I checked, that's not nothing.

It might as well be but, you know. There is NOTHING preventing you from voting third party. If you want to foster more people to do so, start campaigning.

Yeah. Pretty much the only chance 3rd parties like Green on the left or Constitution on the right, (or the great Rent is too Damn High Party) to get any traction would be at the very local level. Perhaps if other parties were able to gain power locally they could eventually branch out to state elections. Probably not, but who knows.

The only other option is someone like Perot who is super wealthy and can use their own money to at least challenge the two party system on a national level.

Or you could pull a Trump and just take over the Republican party. He basically took a populist/nationalist message and beat the usual neocon/social conservative stranglehold. Or Sanders who isn't a typical Democrat since he has a more socialist approach. Although unlike Trump, he didn't get enough support.

The fact Trump beat Cruz with evangelicals despite not being religious, cussing constantly, and having a history of cheating on his wives is rather amazing.

 

[NullPointer]

How rare is this kind of request? Is Bernie setting a precedent here?

And are there any rules regarding holding these positions and avowing support for one candidate or another? Or are committee members free to publicly support or campaign for any candidate they want?

Without knowing these things I really don't know how to parse this news. Its very inside baseball and I'm not using to seeing light shine on this kind of procedural stuff.

 

[<+)O Robido O(+>]

Drones are more accurate than bombing from planes. They also have less collateral damage than the employment of rapid deployment military strike forces. The U.S. is going to continue taking out high priority terrorist targets, the POTUS does not have the ability to stop that. Obama's methods are, as a point of fact, the most humane way to meet that obligation in terms of total human life lost.

That's a very nice way to say killing innocents is cool when the president does it and you end up killing less than you would have previously.

Also, his justice department is by far the most aggressive to date in pursuing discriminatory practices by police departments or political infrastructure. But again, he's the President, not a God King.

I believe the quote in question was asking why Obama hadn't spoke on it... maybe Presidential powers don't allow it.

 

[User 463088]

How rare is this kind of request? Is Bernie setting a precedent here?

And are there any rules regarding holding these positions and avowing support for one candidate or another? Or are committee members free to publicly support or campaign for any candidate they want?

Without knowing these things I really don't know how to parse this news. Its very inside baseball and I'm not using to seeing light shine on this kind of procedural stuff.

I can't think of any other instance of an also ran trying to sway the makeup of the DNC chairs in this way. I could be wrong, but I've been following politics forever, and no specific instances come to mind. The three co-chairs in 2008 had all endorsed Obama during the primary campaign, I believe. They are free to support whomever they wish publicly or privately. Malloy is a Superdelegate as well, so he gets to vote however he wants on the roll call vote.

 

[Drek]

That's a very nice way to say killing innocents is cool when the president does it and you end up killing less than you would have previously.

Every nation state is responsible for the deaths of innocents somewhere at some time. This is the reality of the global political landscape that some people are just unwilling to grasp. Take out terrorists despite the risk that they're effectively employing human shields and/or with the understanding that some level of targeting error is unavoidable or leave them be and deal with guilt from inaction when they fly a plane into another building. Those are real choices any POTUS is required to make.

I believe the quote in question was asking why Obama hadn't spoke on it... maybe Presidential powers don't allow it.

So you don't think Obama has spoken out on gun violence, namely gun violence directed by law enforcement at black men? What world are you living in?

Do you think he hasn't done it enough or something? There is a line he can't cross if he wants the DoJ process to be effective. Too far and conservative state governments will back their racist local governments, turning the whole thing into a quagmire that would effect zero change. Moderation in his tone coupled with active DoJ investigations and cases results in real change. The kind of thing neither West or Sanders are remotely interested in.

Your choice which one you prefer, someone who says what you want to hear or someone is actually trying to achieve something.

 

[Slayven]

Let me explain Cornel West to you. West loves the spotlight. Loves it.



So he feels slighted. It's at this point the West goes in.



One, to attack anyone goddamn racial identity like that is reprehensible. Which is pretty much why others pretty much dropped West like a goddamn hot potato.

This Town Deserves a Better Class of Critic - Ta Nehesi Coates



Cornel West v. Barack Obama - Melissa Harris-Perry











http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cornel-w...ce-black-msnbc-hosts-are-selling-their-souls/


Viewpoint: What’s Behind Cornel West’s Attacks on Obama




You want more? Here's a long read.

The Ghost of Cornel West - Michael Eric Dyson

Cornel West cares about Cornel West. A broken clock is right twice a day and he may have laudable policies occasionally, but he's a narcissist out to get his and Bernie Sanders is his new way to do it. If you feel those quotes are taken out of context, trust me, he's got a ton more completely in context.

My apologies for the derail.

Greatness, "Dear Brother" stands in the great hall of shade. West being picked makes so much sense now, Sanders hates the DNC as much as west hates Obama

 

[johnsmith]

Strip him of all his committee seats. Fuck this senile, angry old man.

I've never seen an old man act like such a baby, except for Donald Trump.

 

[gcubed]

I find it funny that the most of the posters who are trying to defend this bullshit aren't even American

 

[Yen]

Strip him of all his committee seats. Fuck this senile, angry old man.

I've never seen an old man act like such a baby, except for Donald Trump.

A senile old man? Maybe he can be criticised without resorting to ageism?

 

[Doc Holliday]

DNC needs to be real careful how they respond this bs by Bernie. After seeing how he's reacted to losing, I wouldn't be surprised if goes back on his promise to not run as a third party candidate.

Not sure what the DNC should do here. Bernie has enough money to put up a decent effort in an independent run and that would surely siphon votes mostly from Hilary. This is going to be ugly :/

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

Every fucking day with Bernie being a childish idiot it just feels like Trump is paying him to screw over Hillary.

 

[Slayven]

DNC needs to be real careful how they respond this bs by Bernie. After seeing how he's reacted to losing, I wouldn't be surprised if goes back on his promise to not run as a third party candidate.

Not sure what the DNC should do here. Bernie has enough money to put up a decent effort in an independent run and that would surely siphon votes mostly from Hilary. This is going to be ugly :/

Since when? He doesn't have enough money to run adds in California

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Funny how the usually posse of Bernie supporters aren't posting here.

Some things really are indefensible.

 

[RPGCrazied]

Oh, for fucks sake Bernie. Give it up. I voted for you in Texas, but now you are frankly a danger to the party.

 

[Maxim726X]

Since when? He doesn't have enough money to run adds in California

He no longer cares about winning it legitimately, he'd rather just see the party burn.

Maybe if causes a revolution at the DNC, he can win it that way.

He's an asshole, basically.

 

[Infinite]

The irony of Bernie supporters criticizing confrontational activists only for Bernie himself to do the same for the most petty of reasons

 

[Cheebo]

I checked Reddit politics to see if they are talking about it or avoiding it. Only recent topic involving Barney Frank is from 9 days ago which is just them ripping into Frank as part of the establishment and not a true progressive.

 

[FStubbs]

I can explain Cornel West even more simply.

"I'm a Harvard professor of law. Have been for many years. How dare this guy who walked in on the path I blazed here end up accomplishing way more than me! If he could be head of the Harvard Law Review, Senator, and now President, surely I should be as well! Grrr I'M JEALOUS."

Sometimes things are that simple.

 

[robochimp]

DNC needs to be real careful how they respond this bs by Bernie. After seeing how he's reacted to losing, I wouldn't be surprised if goes back on his promise to not run as a third party candidate.

Not sure what the DNC should do here. Bernie has enough money to put up a decent effort in an independent run and that would surely siphon votes mostly from Hilary. This is going to be ugly :/

As of the last filings, he only has 5 mil cash on hand. His CA push won't leave him with much.

Going rate for a presidential campaign is 1 billion.

 

[Malvolio]

Awww yeah! Let the drama kick into high gear and the ratings go through the roof!

 

[Palette Swap]

DNC needs to be real careful how they respond this bs by Bernie. After seeing how he's reacted to losing, I wouldn't be surprised if goes back on his promise to not run as a third party candidate.

Not sure what the DNC should do here. Bernie has enough money to put up a decent effort in an independent run and that would surely siphon votes mostly from Hilary. This is going to be ugly :/

Looking at the rhetorics used here and there, I think they're talking themselves into running third party.
You don't systematically describe your party as corrupt and walk back from that. They're burning too many bridges with the actual party and getting pettier, I don't expect Sanders or his campaign to extend any kind of olive branch.

The best possible outcome is honestly that money is lacking enough that he won't attempt some independent bullshit.

FWIW, I'm not judging most Sanders voters, because they had every right and reason to vote for a guy that looked like a potential change of pace or the seeds of a more liberal Democratic alternative. That's the nuance some of the remaining hardliners fail to perceive every time they complain about the "Hillary camp" : it's not about Hillary, it's about the most progressive of the two parties and not ruining a progressive movement out of misplaced righteousness.

 

[TyrantII]

Go get more people to vote Green if it's really a hotbed issue.

They've got 50 something local seats last I checked, that's not nothing.

It might as well be but, you know. There is NOTHING preventing you from voting third party. If you want to foster more people to do so, start campaigning.

Yup, nothing stopping you from wasting your vote.

We don't have a parliamentary system. Third parties are nothing but ego trips and protest votes.

The real answer is people should have supported progressive Democrat candidates in 2010/12/14. You want what Bernie is cooking, your coalition needs to be within one if the two relvent parties.

But yeah, that requires work and time. So...

 

[hiryu64]

What a clusterfuck of a campaign. Really liked Bernie and his ideas initially--even voted for him in the GA primary. But holy hell, this dude did a face-heel turn real quick in the past few weeks. I was once confident that he'd rally behind the Dems while pushing them more toward the left, but now it's looking more and more like he's willing to create a schism in the party. Meanwhile, the Republicans, who had once been poised to have a schism of their own, have unified behind Trump. I can't say I was expecting this.

I don't regret voting for him, as he seemed to be the ideal choice for me at the time. But man, I'm really disappointed. I hope that he won't try to sabotage the Dems by doing some stupid shit at the convention, or worse--running third-party. I'm really not so sure, anymore.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

You didn't answer the question though. His regulation isn't doing anything to slow down too big to fail.

Also these major banks haven't passed the fed stress tests still, so again, how is this regulation handling this too big to fail issue?

What are you talking about with stress testing? The three of the largest JPM, Goldman, and MS all passed. BoA is the only notable that failed last year, the rest are much smaller banks like Santander which I'm pretty sure none of you were concerned about during the financial crisis.

Bernie is acting like a fool. Barring someone who disagreed with your 15 years ago is pathetic.

What a clusterfuck of a campaign. Really liked Bernie and his ideas initially--even voted for him in the GA primary. But holy hell, this dude did a face-heel turn real quick in the past few weeks. I was once confident that he'd rally behind the Dems while pushing them more toward the left, but now it's looking more and more like he's willing to create a schism in the party. Meanwhile, the Republicans, who had once been poised to have a schism of their own, have unified behind Trump. I can't say I was expecting this.

I don't regret voting for him, as he seemed to be the ideal choice for me at the time. But man, I'm really disappointed. I hope that he won't try to sabotage the Dems by doing some stupid shit at the convention, or worse--running third-party. I'm really not so sure, anymore.

Same, I liked a lot of his ideas but this has gone downhill fast.

 

[BotoxAgent]

I really wish the DNC stop playing nice with him. Whatever concessions they give to him just emboldens him. Give him an inch he takes a mile.

 

[Seeya]

He is 74 and getting massive crowds after spending years in politics and not many people really knowing much about him. He probably believes he is really leading some massive revolution. I doubt he ever expected to win more than a handful of states, yet has won 20 or so. He doesn't want this ride to end.

He's looking at the long term of reshaping the democratic party from the centrist party the Clintons established it as in the 90s

 

[Jenov]

Dunno if this has been posted:
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/sanders-lawyers-threaten-to-disrupt-dnc-694626371717

Clip of Rachel Maddow reporting on the matter (and on Trump and Bernie not debate)

 

[Outdoor Miner]

1. Univision aka NYDN Part 2: Latino Edition
2. AIDS Advocacy
3. Threats to DNC
4. Fundraising has fallen off a cliff

One of the worst weeks for any campaign this election cycle.

Looking at the delegate math, it seems Clinton is set to lock up the nomination June 7th WITHOUT superdelegates (2026 is the magic number). Once Hillary has the nomination locked up, there will be a near 2 month gap before the DNC takes place. His threats may remain but they will grow ineffective as his base further shrinks to just the hardcore and fringe during this period. After CA/NJ Obama, Biden, and Warren will put forth their Hillary endorsements and the unification will begin. Bernie can be a part of it or do further damage to his reputation and literally become the "old man yelling at cloud" meme.

 

[Macho Madness]

To be fair, I don't have an issue with Bernie wanting to reform things and challenge the party.

I just disagree with his Bane style tactics of "do everything I want or else". That doesn't sound like a good faith negotiation.

 

[Alcotholic]

This whole election run has been fucked up.

 

[Trokil]

Looking at the delegate math, it seems Clinton is set to lock up the nomination June 7th WITHOUT superdelegates (2026 is the magic number). Once Hillary has the nomination locked up, there will be a near 2 month gap before the DNC takes place. His threats may remain but they will grow ineffective as his base further shrinks to just the hardcore and fringe during this period. After CA/NJ Obama, Biden, and Warren will put forth their Hillary endorsements and the unification will begin. Bernie can be a part of it or do further damage to his reputation and literally become the "old man yelling at cloud" meme.

Just out of curiosity, what happens if the FBI really starts the investigation against Clinton in those 2 months. All this hate towards Bernie would backfire, because he would be the nomination then and maybe it was not such a great idea, to damage this much by the democratic establishment. He is their only backup, so all this crap towards Hillary and Bernie may backfire and there is a good chance the Democratic party will go down in a great ball of fire because of that. And honestly, Bernie has the most active supporters, if they all decide to stay home, like they usually do during midterms, well Hillary has a problem. And if Bernie burns too many bridges now, he also has problems in the general election.

 

[ultratruman]

feel the bern

 

[Aaron Strife]

1. Univision aka NYDN Part 2: Latino Edition
2. AIDS Advocacy
3. Threats to DNC
4. Fundraising has fallen off a cliff

One of the worst weeks for any campaign this election cycle.

Looking at the delegate math, it seems Clinton is set to lock up the nomination June 7th WITHOUT superdelegates (2026 is the magic number). Once Hillary has the nomination locked up, there will be a near 2 month gap before the DNC takes place. His threats may remain but they will grow ineffective as his base further shrinks to just the hardcore and fringe during this period. After CA/NJ Obama, Biden, and Warren will put forth their Hillary endorsements and the unification will begin. Bernie can be a part of it or do further damage to his reputation and literally become the "old man yelling at cloud" meme.

I think it's really funny that he/people expect superdelegates to come flocking to him after he's threatened in no uncertain terms to burn this motherfucker down. Yeah that'll work.

But I mean I guess he could win 75% of the vote in California and close the gap based on that alone. That seems reasonable.

Bernie people setting themselves up for major disappointment just like they did for New York. Him winning Michigan was the only real spark and even then he did so by a hair.

 

[Outdoor Miner]

Just out of curiosity, what happens if the FBI really starts the investigation against Clinton in those 2 months. All this hate towards Bernie would backfire, because he would be the nomination then and maybe it was not such a great idea, to damage this much by the democratic establishment. He is their only backup, so all this crap towards Hillary and Bernie may backfire and there is a good chance the Democratic party will go down in a great ball of fire because of that. And honestly, Bernie has the most active supporters, if they all decide to stay home, like they usually do during midterms, well Hillary has a problem. And if Bernie burns too many bridges now, he also has problem in the general election.

How would it backfire? The ultimatums and discontent are coming from his side. If it so happens that Bernie gets the nomination through those means, okay he won? The Dem party will unify behind him and 90% of the Dem base will vote for him in the GE. Everyone sans the #BernieOrBust ppl understand what is at stake this election. Or are you suggesting Bernie would be so bitter and petty that he would further try to damage the party even after securing the nomination because of hard feelings?

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

feel the bern

Or else.