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Sanders proposes "Fair Drug Price" Act to combat Pharma monopolies
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I'm genuinely curious why it's okay for Clinton supporters to cast sexist dispersions about Sanders supporters but no one dare show disinterest in Clinton here or else they are labeled a sexist.
I'm not sure why this berniebros bullshit has to appear in any thread involving Sanders or Clinton. The fact that it's still a term being brought up a year after the primaries are over is just sad.
AtomicShroom
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Dear neighbours down to the south: Why isn't this man your president again?
You dun fucked up!
You dun fucked up!
excelsiorlef
Member
Great bill. Too bad it's doa in that Senate.
Side note usual suspects y'all need to stop whipping yourselves into a frenzy of your own mental creation and then using it to act like y'all are being persecuted
Side note usual suspects y'all need to stop whipping yourselves into a frenzy of your own mental creation and then using it to act like y'all are being persecuted
DrForester
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fixed.
Isn't he a co-sponsor?
Interesting, I was unaware of such analyses. However, there is a pretty damn huge gap between "US healthcare is inefficient and gives large corporations too much control over pricing" and "nationalization of all health care is the only rational choice".
social democracy is usually conflated with socialism, but government social interference for equilibrium is not controversial literally anywhere else on the planet is my point
You should be infavor of universal policies that are not half measures and chump change even if you hold those smaller victories with pride.
Regardless of the feasibility of achieving the most important major battles in the current congress, its important to keep that as a basis of all viewpoints and negotiations
Centrism in policy isn't in of itself a viable "position", it is only there to offer pieacemeal solutions in increments so that we eventually get the full pie, or that was how it has been sold. Obamacare in of itself is never going to be the end all solution, its just a stop gap on the road to a better solution that eventually will have to be single payer among other things.
No, that's the insanity of it.
The insurance and pharmaceutical lobby own the US goverment and have for a long while.
I'd rather this thread not go off the rails because of clinton sanders fanboy bullshit. I know there is a civil war between progressives and neoliberals on the 'left' at large, but let's stick to actual policy and leave out the personal attacks and mass generalizations
Surprised Bernbros is allowed on here for some reason when I'm sure there would be flack for calling someone "Shillary" or some shit.
MrSunshine
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Unfortunately, you didn't take my advice. I must say, it's amusing to be accused of "spouting off"; that certainly isn't something I hear often.
Any attempt at rational discourse must presuppose the parties operate in good faith. That is clearly not the case here. So, I'll simply point out a couple of things and leave you to ... whatever it is that you're doing.
First, I most assuredly did not equate nationalization and public involvement. I merely indicated that people made uncomfortable by thoughts of nationalization as an extreme solution could be helped to see the inevitability of the argument by considering the extension of public involvement instead. In short, they could consider the direction of necessary change rather than an outcome.
Second, the remnants of private interest (77% gov't-funded/23% private in Germany according to your link) in some functional systems does not demonstrate the value of that participation. Functional is different from optimal. And, if we're to descend into warring wikipedia links, this indicates that, according to at least one metric, Germany is barely mediocre.
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Marx also didn't invent socialism. Most schools of socialism recognise collective social benefits as an integral part of socialism.
TheLostBigBoss
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We desperately need reform on this topic, don't know enough on the insides and outs but I think it would be fair to say most of what is in the bill is reasonable given the current price gouging.
The only people shitting this thread up with obsession with Sanders are people who are mentally obsessed with Sanders and perpetually live in early 2016.
The only people shitting this thread up with obsession with Sanders are people who are mentally obsessed with Sanders and perpetually live in early 2016.
Hari Seldon
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What I don't understand about the "drug companies need to recoup their costs" argument is that doesn't every other country in the fucking world negotiate prices? Do these drug companies make ALL of their profit on the backs of the US?
Most other countries in the world where pharma-giants enforce their patent rights have a working healthcare system. Medication is still expensive.
I'm all for patents and recouping cost, since bringing a single medicament from bench to market costs around 800 million dollars, so charge as much as you think is needed for your stuff.
But with government-backed research?
Such a regulation should definitely be in place.
TheLaughingStock
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US government-granted monopolies in this area don't achieve their purported objectives. It's a total sham set-up for rent-seekers. Plus, it enables despicable actors to raise their prices well above the market price. The lengths some folks go in order to make a buck off people who are at their most vulnerable is sad. They're inflating their bank accounts at the expense of folks in need who are desperate to live. Disgusting stuff.
teruterubozu
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It's insane how a $1 bag of saline solution becomes $500 by the time they stick an IV into your arm. The whole thing is fucked up.
That's not pharmas fault though.
Saline bags are of course a little more expensive than 1$ due to quality control etc., but the high cost in the end results from lots of other factors like the working time (which is not a lot), other components used, insurance stuff and so on.. That's the clinics "fault".
Ok I laughed.
CyclopsRock
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Whether it's tax payer funded or not, the pharmaceutical companies need to make sufficient profit to make it worth developing (And cover the risk of it never working). As long as this bill does that then I don't see how anyone can have a problem with it, though if the bill does do that then there will still be some drugs that are ludicrously expensive.
2016 was last year.
Bernie lost. Hillary lost. Stop reliving your glory years.
This is a good idea, though, as several have pointed out, drugs for diseases like Zika are rarely the issue when it comes to recouping prohibitively expensive R&D costs. I don't really know what the solution is in situations like those because, at the end of the day, someone has to foot the bill for the research.
Bernie lost. Hillary lost. Stop reliving your glory years.
This is a good idea, though, as several have pointed out, drugs for diseases like Zika are rarely the issue when it comes to recouping prohibitively expensive R&D costs. I don't really know what the solution is in situations like those because, at the end of the day, someone has to foot the bill for the research.
Hitlersaurus Christ
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Oh cool, the "Berniebro" narrative is in here too.
Even if this bill passes, I doubt drug prices will go as low as in most other countries. I've gotten brand name medicine here in Japan for less than the price of generic in the US.
Even if this bill passes, I doubt drug prices will go as low as in most other countries. I've gotten brand name medicine here in Japan for less than the price of generic in the US.
No.
woah.... ease up on the communist kool-aid Bernie!
Who'd wanna support something inherently un-american like this?
Who'd wanna support something inherently un-american like this?
I feel deeply sorry for what you guys have to pay for meds over there, and wanted to use this chance to thank you for picking up the tap for me and others living outside the US.
Collective social benefits are not exclusive to or invented by socialists. Period.
This should be passed. For Sanofi, they probably argue that the funding doesn't cover anywhere near the cost of the drug (manufacturing, marketing, etc). Despite that, the price should be negotiable to create a price that covers Sanofi's end and margin without being ridiculously overpriced. Who knows, maybe the final price with Bernie's bill would end up the same but at least it would be more transparent.
The Greek Freak
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You haven't been paying attention if you don't realize a huge section of congressional dems wouldn't fight this harder than they fight GOP bills.
It's gonna die in committee.
Netherscourge
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Democrats like Cory Booker will find a way to reject it.
Pretty much anyone who gets campaign funding from Pharma lobbyists will nix it.
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No, they're not. But they are frequently something advocated by socialists, and this bill was introduced by Senator Sanders, who self-describes as a socialist and identifies his ideology with socialism.
Sirpopopop
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I don't think it's fine that Berniebros come on here in every thread complaining about how he should have been President.
It's the OT equivalent of Switch port begging.
Hitlersaurus Christ
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And I'm sure most of them don't think it's fine that people keep pushing the "bro" angle that was pitched as part of a campaign strategy. The primaries are over, there's no need to do that crap.
Or are the tons of women that supported Bernie in the primary considered Berniebros too or nah
Because generally the efficacy of a drug is based on evidence, peer reviewed, well substantiated evidence. Beyond that what is the purpose of advertising it, either the drug works and has few side effects or it doesnt. An effective drug should speak for itself, especially when it involves things like the Zika virus.
andythinkpad
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About fucking time.
rokkerkory
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This guy is the sith lord
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