GoldenEye 007
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Yeah how the law has been interpreted, it's best to assert your rights, then remain silent (or at least just assert your right to silence), but comply, and do the fighting in court.
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Sandra Bland Found Dead in TX Jail, Police Say Suicide, Family Disagrees
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Thank you for admitting you can see the public point of view instead of just quoting law and procedure back.
I don't automatically assume all cops are like the one in this case. I just wish more cops would remember that they are to serve the public.
Honestly that's the best policy, irrespective of the IMO stupidity of being charged for resisting arrest separately. The whole setup of the police means that it's never going to be a "meeting of equals", even if we deal with the problems with policing in the US broadly. The police officer by design has greater power, and it's foolish for either party to act otherwise.
GravityInsanity
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Random Painted HIghway
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In Texas you do have to be informed of the arrest basis, there are states that do not require this.
The officer does not know what your specific charges are going to be, he provides the facts and the prosecutor determines what the charges will be.
Miranda Rights do not have to be provided unless there is to be questioning after the person is in custody.
I have a hard time believing get anything that Twitter account is saying about this incident tbh but who knows.
ThreePiMatt
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You're kidding me, right?
hey_monkey
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It sickens me the kind of abuse you see from the US police, but that is laughable.
I'm not sure what this means. Was she was practically unconscious when they booked her?
SuperAndroid17
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It means they killed her, then got the mugshot, photoshopped the mugshot and said she killed herself.
Holy fucking shit. This is 9/11 conspiracy-shit going on.
If I've learned anything from this thread, is that I don't every want to visit Texas. LOL
Thanks to all who corrected me on Texas laws.
American Eskimo
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I dont think posting about claims from anon that are likely 99% fake helps the cause in any way
CrocMother
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If you are a person of color, someone with long hair or tattoos, stick to large metropolitan areas if you visit TX. As close to the center as possible. Try not to ever be driving, especially with out of state plates.
Dunedain_Ranger
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Anon doing anon. Saturday will be a well we have the video but ....
hey_monkey
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Agreed, particularly when they are posting other fuckery.
Machine
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This would imply large portions of the sheriff's department were complicit as her body was dragged into jail and turned over to corrections who proceeded to falsify a booking photo and intake documents (including forging her signature).
Random Painted HIghway
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Not to mention dps and the Harris co forensic lab also in on the conspiracy. Quite impressive.
...not to mention manipulated the dash cam video, put on a small theatre act to make the surveillance cam footage look good, got the coroner in on the conspiracy (it's been mentioned in the thread that his finding did not support murder) and either:
1) somehow faked her attempt to get bail money, including tricking a bail bonds agent
or
2) took a photo of her after she died only to have to Photoshop it despite having a perfectly good mugshot all along
If that Anon Twitter had any credibility they just blew it away. I usually stay away from US police brutality threads because I have no dog in that fight since I'm not American, but this time I can't resist jumping in. You rarely get the chance to see a conspiracy theory being born right in front of you.
(Edited for grammar)
mckmas8808
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You know, I never thought about this! I never turn my turn signal on when I get out of the way of cop cars, Ambulances, and Fire trucks.
And it's also crazy how many US citizens don't realize that they have to exit the car when told to do so. Many in here are saying the arrest isn't lawful... Well it is. I will say that I have only had to physically remove someone from the car once and that's because they were drunk, thought he knew his rights better than me (maybe he was a gaffer?) and wouldn't exit after 2 minutes of me explaining to him that he had to etc. I usually can talk the person into getting out of the car by explaining the law to them and that if I have to physically remove them then they will be getting arrested for not obeying a lawful order.
This shit is so absurd. Why even post this guy's disgusting tweets? Don't give him attention.
This is fucking stupid
Train of Midnight
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*sigh* well nvm, anon's just being anon.
I expected nothing from them and I'm still disappointed.
[edit] Lol, "No source, somebody just sent it to us and we posted it"
Reptars Revenge
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No way did they drag in her in to the police station dead and cover this all up. This isn't weekend at bernies 3
Jelly Rajah
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It's complete bullshit. Don't be so gullible.
Subpar Spatula
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Anon is messing with people and they're believing it. Obvious ploy to make social justice seem like conspiracy theory.
Sorry; but I can't help but feel that denying that she could contemplate Suicide starts the down slope of the whole argument from the family. Their case is she would never kill herself not that they have evidence to say otherwise. A fact; anyone can commit suicide and many people do leaving their loved ones confused.
I think they claimed as she was a campaigner she wouldn't kill herself? Just not true. I feel for the family but their claim of murder is a big one and it doesn't hold up. What she treated with the respect a citizen should get? Maybe not. Did she deal with the situation particularly well? Maybe not.
People posting that shit above are just feigning ignorance to the things made up online.
I think they claimed as she was a campaigner she wouldn't kill herself? Just not true. I feel for the family but their claim of murder is a big one and it doesn't hold up. What she treated with the respect a citizen should get? Maybe not. Did she deal with the situation particularly well? Maybe not.
People posting that shit above are just feigning ignorance to the things made up online.
mckmas8808
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CNN was talking about this within the last hour too.
Why are these people above ignoring Supreme court decisions and laws and stuff?
TheOohChild
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That anon post is disgusting
hey_monkey
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I keep coming back to this, too. Like, is he just lying, the way people lie to themselves so they can believe they did the right thing? Or did he believe he was de-escalating? Because screaming at someone and threatening to tase them seems like escalating to me.
Anon's photoshop of S5E10 Jon Snow's eyes was a better shoop than that.
Like I said, Anon's first order of business is stirring people into a panic because that's more entertaining than social justice. Don't expect otherwise.
As in, they're debunking Anonymous? Good on them if so, but knowing CNN they've got breaking news that someone is in possession of a murder video and are plastering photoshops with an "Is this real?" ticker under it.
Like I said, Anon's first order of business is stirring people into a panic because that's more entertaining than social justice. Don't expect otherwise.
As in, they're debunking Anonymous? Good on them if so, but knowing CNN they've got breaking news that someone is in possession of a murder video and are plastering photoshops with an "Is this real?" ticker under it.
Dunedain_Ranger
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I have to agree
Yes, using your signals is certainly not important or anything.
She still should have used her signal, it doesn't matter.
While watching the video, I thought he was going to pull her over earlier, as it appeared she rolled the stop sign while turning right.
edit: Also, after watching the video again just now, he was not driving that much faster than her.
I'm pretty sure he's saying that logically, it doesn't make sense, and he's correct. Causality and all that, you know?
beat
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Police let that slide all the time.
Maybe not in podunk small towns that rely on traffic tickets for government revenue.
CrocMother
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People keep talking about changing signals. She clearly ran a stop sign.
I'm sure prison guards kill people in the streets. Cops can't have all the fun /s
Dreams-Visions
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Fuckin hell, GAF. Why do you make me respond to threads and comments like this. WHY.
So let me help you here: This is where it's important to still be a fucking human being after you've finished arguing the technicality of a thing. You know, seeing the forrest for the fucking tree. She told him *why* she changed lanes. She saw him coming up behind her (from her perspective that's what she fucking saw) and decided to move over as anyone is supposed to do (or otherwise has been told to do) when they see a law enforcement or emergency vehicle coming up behind them. Should she have technically flipped her blinker? Sure. But as a fucking human being, you're supposed to have the capacity to empathize a little bit, understanding (a) the situation and (b) that as a law enforcement officer your presence naturally makes people a little more nervous and prone to small mistakes...and guess what you do? You smile and move the fuck on rather than waste someone's time. You understand why they might be frustrated that you'd pull them over for something as inconsequential and explainable as this. Or better yet, you don't pull them over at all.
And this is the problem I continue to have with some of you who would rather resort to textbook definitions. You're not robots, despite your love for gundams and anime. Law by nature lacks nuance; nuance that human fucking beings are in the system to fill, applying judgements and proportionate actions based on context, measure and appropriateness.
The reason we're talking about this right now is exclusively because the officer escalated this situation. He did so not because she broke some significant law in failing to signal a lane change, but because he got fucking sensitive about her being frustrated about being stopped. Then he went from being sensitive about it to power tripping about it because how dare this ugly bitch talk to me this way! I'm an officer of the LAW. The rest writes itself as it has done so many times before. Some officers habitually forget that their duty is to protect and serve...even those who are frustrated, or upset. Even those who they may personally dislike for some reason. This woman posed no threat other than some word daggers aimed at his soul for being a petty douchebag. And yet he ultimately acted like she was the hardened felon that just escaped from prison that needed to be hog tied and hauled in.
Whom did his actions protect? Whom did this action serve? Easy answer: he protected his ego and served himself. And now someone who had a plan and a future is instead full of formaldehyde, sitting in box.
That's the forest. Step away from that fucking tree and recall what it's like to be a human again, people.
CrazyDogg77
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Now police are trying to say she either or smoked marijuana in her cell. How the hell?
Dreams-Visions
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It appears that we're now in an era where we sprinkle crack posthumously.
http://www.flexyourrights.org/faqs/when-can-police-search-your-car/
Just found this site, seems like a good read and relevant.
Just found this site, seems like a good read and relevant.
Well said. You definitely speak on a frustration that I have with recent media- people are forgetting what it is to be human.
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