Azurro
Banned
The DS is the best selling handheld in history, I'm not sure if it will get to those numbers. The switch is doing great though, Nintendo has the entire handheld market just to themselves.
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Saying "Steam Deck over Switch" is unnecessary and reveals the obvious in gamers [RANT]
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The DS is the best selling handheld in history, I'm not sure if it will get to those numbers. The switch is doing great though, Nintendo has the entire handheld market just to themselves.
FingerBang
Member
How does the Switch emulator run on the Steam Deck? This is the only things that matters.
Gordon Freeman
Member
One thing it does show is the absolute rip off price a Switch is in 2022 when a Steam Deck base model is the same price as an OLED model with way better specs. Nintendo is laughing.
RuneMan
Neo Member
I think it says that casual people enjoy subpar experiences and there is nothing wrong with it.
It really tells us more about the consumer than about the console.
spons
Gold Member
I wish I could just dump my Switch collection, but I can't since the Switch seems to be the first Nintendo device in a long while that hasn't been hacked ten times over.
So no emulation on the Deck for me. I blame the hackers bounty Nintendo set up. Why the fuck would anyone release a hack for free if you can tell Nintendo for 10000 bucks. I don't even blame them.
So no emulation on the Deck for me. I blame the hackers bounty Nintendo set up. Why the fuck would anyone release a hack for free if you can tell Nintendo for 10000 bucks. I don't even blame them.
Make your point without resorting to lame attacks like this, please.
Sentenza
Member
Yeah. No one gives a shit.
BlackTron
Member
No one except maybe all those people playing games on Switch that apparently outnumber everyone else? lol
IFireflyl
Gold Member
Sentenza
Member
Yeah, still not giving a shit.
One day you guys will learn that having one piece of hardware selling the most doesn't make that piece of hardware the best thing since sliced bread or the most desirable one for everyone.
The Switch may sell in bazillions but for all I care about it isn't going to do a single thing better than a Deck.
It's an underpowered locked system with software that underperforms and comes at a hefty premium price.
Even the price point of the device itself is less favorable in a dollar/performance ratio.
JimboJones
Member
I'll probably buy less stuff on Switch if the same software is available on Steam (and runs well on the deck).
But Switch still has value in that it's probably easier to set up local multiplayer and play with my neices and nephews.
Of course there are the big switch exclusives too.
So it just depends on the circumstances.
But Switch still has value in that it's probably easier to set up local multiplayer and play with my neices and nephews.
Of course there are the big switch exclusives too.
So it just depends on the circumstances.
Sean Mirrsen
Banned
If it were a piece of shit, it wouldn't have sold that well. There's no secret or misunderstanding that the Switch's primary value is the exclusives, and its secondary value is as a cheap, portable, widely available indie platform. For all of the Deck's advantages, it'll never outdo the Switch - not for as long as the Deck is still, fundamentally, a PC that relies solely on the entire rest of the industry to deign to make their games compatible. Even if it's stupid, that's what works - a simple, easy to use, quirky and fun gaming device, with an assortment of extremely fun and diverse exclusive games, even if it's locked down, underpowered and overpriced, is what the majority of people apparently want. It's a mirror-universe iPhone - still locked, still overpriced, and yet still selling like hotcakes because it offers a combination of things that a large subset of people values, to the absolute confusion of everyone who doesn't.
8BiTw0LF
Consoomer
You're right. I pirate and emulate Nintendo games - and I set real pride in not being a "real Nintendo gamer" these days.
BlackTron
Member
Nobody said that you have to give a shit.
But I answered your question of who gives a shit, for sure.
GametimeUK
Member
Holammer
Member
Yuzu runs fullspeed on similar handheld devices like the AYA Neo afaik. Quick google should show a few videos.
The Deck trashes them on price/performance, but there's probably not enough juice to play with 60fps hacks.
Just wait two weeks and the internet will be awash with videos showing Yuzu running on Deck and Road to Global Elite with Deck.
FingerBang
Member
I imagined that was the case. I can only imagine the meltdown with the Steam Deck able to play Switch games on top of PC games lol.
Mercador
Member
Yep, but it also put in light that I don't need that. Linus told nothing wrong about the device, I just realized that I don't need it really.
darrylgorn
Member
Let's not forget about steam streaming or the superior Parsec.
Your entire library (including emulated titles) is available day one.
Your entire library (including emulated titles) is available day one.
Meesh
Member
A winning combo for me is PC/ Nintendo.
It just so happens with Steam Deck it's all too easy to draw some comparisons and have some mental wish lists from either hardware.
I would definitely like to say though, taking both the Switch and Deck on the road is going to be a dream come true.
Portable consoles and PCs are the future I'm sure.
It just so happens with Steam Deck it's all too easy to draw some comparisons and have some mental wish lists from either hardware.
I would definitely like to say though, taking both the Switch and Deck on the road is going to be a dream come true.
Portable consoles and PCs are the future I'm sure.
Mr Branding
Member
No, Swoled is 350 while base SDeck is 400.
Also, a lot of weird takes in this and pretty much every Deck related topic in Gaf. I am one of the few Switch users that doesn't play first party on it. Mk8d, smash are exclusively played by my young'un. Will gift it to him as soon as I have my hands on the Deck, Q2 baby! So happy to escape the lame Eshop prices and their "sales".
lucius
Member
Just wish Nintendo bumped the dock output some. I mean another version has to be coming. Steam Deck should be compared I mean the Aya models in tons of videos why this would upset some is weird. I got Alpha protocol in my Steam library and some other gems my body is ready things gonna blow away my laptop.
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GHG
Member
PC devs can do whatever the fuck they want. They don't have to specifically support any particular hardware if they don't want to, especially not a device like the deck.
The whole ecosystem is built on the end user figuring out whether their hardware is up to the task of running a particular game.
fallingdove
Member
The switch has nothing in common with the Steam deck or other handheld gaming PC's like The GPD Win 3 shown below beyond being "portable". The only people who compares them are the same that compares Mac's and PCs
Nothing in common other than:
- Can be connected to a tv or used portably
- Plays switch games
Except the steam deck also:
- Has better hardware all around
- Offers greater 3rd party accessory support
- Plays all of Nintendo's back catalog without shitty paywalls
- Supports other emulation from Sega, Sony, and Xbox
- Delivers higher resolutions
- Allows you to play the majority of 3rd party releases
Does the steam deck signal an end for the switch? Absolutely not. But for a certain PC-oriented segment of the gaming community, it erases any value the switch offers.
Kadve
Member
You do realize right that you're listing "allows piracy" as a feature?
Also Better hardware =! better games. There is a reason why Nintendo games keep selling even if their hardware isn't "up to specs".
fallingdove
Member
Emulation =! piracy. If I own the switch game, I can legally play it on a steam deck. If I own the Super Nintendo game or the PlayStation game, or the Xbox game, I can legally play it on the steam deck. I don't have to pay Nintendo some arbitrary fee to play these games I already own.
And better hardware may not guarantee better games but it does guarantee better performance. As a bonus, I don't have to deal with Nintendo's piece of shit joycons.
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spons
Gold Member
Agreed. Piracy issues aside, the Deck has the same resolution as the Switch, introduces bugs and glitches due to incorrect emulation, probably can't emulate heavier games due to performance issues and really, just buy a fucking Switch and games instead. I cancelled my unit. As interesting as it seemed to play PC games on the crapper/in bed/etc. I just can't be bothered with it, especially if you introduce another layer of bullshit into the mix, namely Linux.
Explain why you would want to play Switch games on the Deck please.
Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
Isn't the Switch OLED screen a fair bit better than even the best of the Steam Deck Screen?
I ask this since I only play in handheld mode, and I mostly play indie games, gamepass and Nintendo games. Wouldn't I still game the majority of my indie games on the Switch with the better screen and battery life?
Sentenza
Member
What an inane load of bullshit.
PhaseJump
Banned
I had a launch switch. I played Zelda and hated every moment of it. I scalped it months later for a profit.
I was about to buy a Switch last year during the covid apocalypse, because I'm bored and stupid anyway; but Deck news broke and stopped me, as if Gaben himself showed up to slap some sense into me and say "Deck will be worth the weight." Thanks, head Gaben. I will finally pick through my massive backlog of Steam games, and not have console warrior hatred consume my dog-shit tier soul due to joycon drift.
I was about to buy a Switch last year during the covid apocalypse, because I'm bored and stupid anyway; but Deck news broke and stopped me, as if Gaben himself showed up to slap some sense into me and say "Deck will be worth the weight." Thanks, head Gaben. I will finally pick through my massive backlog of Steam games, and not have console warrior hatred consume my dog-shit tier soul due to joycon drift.
Sean Mirrsen
Banned
Because if you have a Deck, you don't have to have a Switch. You don't have to carry two devices, you don't have to switch (heh) between devices to play different games from different libraries, etc. Same with all other consoles you can legally emulate and play games you own for.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
I love emulating. In fact, I'm emulating right now, come fight me.
Sentenza
Member
But it has better hardware AND access to better games. MORE of them and far cheaper too. Not to mention in their better version out of the two.
I give a quick look at my library on Steam and before even beginning to consider spending any money I already have ready to go:
Any Souls game or Sekiro, played at 60 fps.
Slay the Spire
Blasphemous
XCOM 2 + War of the Chosen
Psychonauys 1 and 2
Nioh
Divinity Original Sin 1 and 2
Battle Brothers
Ori 1 and 2
Hades
Furi
Metal Gear Solid V
Any Batman Arkham game
The Witcher 2 or 3
Spyro trilogy
State of Decay
etc.
I could go on for a few hundred titles (no, not a hyperbole. I could LITERALLY list hundreds I already own) and that's selecting only the small percentage of my current library that seem REALLY well suited to play on a handheld device.
"B-but SOME of these games are on Switch too".
Ok? But I already own them and I'm not going to pay the "Nintendo premium" to purchase them again, so I cam play their shitty downgraded version running at 20 fps on a Switch.
Not to mention a Deck can also pretty much overalap with all the Nintendo first party output up to this point in time, bar a couple of titles that still have shaky emulation. Breath of the Wild and Mario Galaxy on this device will run circles around the Switch version, for instance.
Anything Wii U related or lower will run smooth as fuck too. And then there's emulation compatibility with OTHER consoles, like the PS2 and PS3 etc.
People can keep giving Nintendo the mouth service all they want and use VICARIOUS BRAGGING about its sales all they want, I don't have particular doubts on what device of two will be more appealing "for my user case".
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spons
Gold Member
Not really, but I sincerely hope you enjoy playing Switch games sub-optimally through emulation. I'll just play them on my Switch.
Kadve
Member
Downloading ROMs = Piracy
Playstation and Xbox games sure. But how the hell are you actually using the SNES cartridges on your PC? Last time i checked they don't come with that port as standard.
And if your answer is that you dump the cartridge ROM's yourself, then i am calling you a liar. And even in the off chance that you aren't actually one. 99% of people that do emulation don't own the ROMs they emulate.
Sentenza
Member
Yeah, ok. Let's say there's also piracy in the mix. So fucking what? It's none of your fucking business, anyway.
As they say in this cases "don't ask, don't tell". Got to play the moral police somewhere else. Not like anyone playing old arcades on MAME went and got an original motherboard chipset first.
As if how easy and convenient it was to pirate games never played a part on the explosion in popularity of Playstation 1 and 2 or GameBoy, Nintendo DS and Switch.
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TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Only thing I could be kinda worried about the Steam Deck are font sizes in games. Don't know how many PC games might be actually optimized for playing on smaller screens.
I just pirated God Hand today. No need for emulation since I have a PS2, but don't have the game. I guess I could buy it yeah, but... Why? Clover Studio no longer exists, and if can't give the original devs the money, I'd rather keep it than giving it to some greasy game re-seller.
Imagine white knighting big corporations for free like this. Dude, live and let live.
I just pirated God Hand today. No need for emulation since I have a PS2, but don't have the game. I guess I could buy it yeah, but... Why? Clover Studio no longer exists, and if can't give the original devs the money, I'd rather keep it than giving it to some greasy game re-seller.
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justiceiro
Marlboro: Other M
It's bizarre how many people don't get that switch is a indie machine for a lot of it's audience. Why do I need to love or even care about Nintendo games when I'm buying a console that plays third party content?
PhaseJump
Banned
Sure, but over the years and generations most people would buy Nintendo hardware for the first party games.
The PC is already the lead platform for indie games so the Switch is about to lose it's edge of letting you have the "portable" indie games.
The super critical fanboys that require love or devotion to Nintendo games are also slowly realizing, perhaps getting sincerely triggered by, the idea that the Steam Deck will be capable of playing 1st party AAA exclusives with easy access to emulation and piracy.
Things are going to get really spicy in a few weeks, when Deck's not embargoed anymore.
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SportsFan581
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Mozza
Member
Awesome, now if only everybody bought consoles and games for that very reason, I think you would be onto something.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
They're both handheld machines, so the comparisons are no surprise. But they're serving two different markets. Nintendo combined their handheld and console lines together instead of having to port games back-and-forth between systems, costing lots of time and money. Not to mention the uncertainty of starting a user base over from scratch every hardware generation, for two separate devices with completely different architectures.
SteamDeck is clearly not that at all.
SteamDeck is clearly not that at all.
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Interfectum
Member
Console wars getting weirder by the day. Chill out people.
It's a console or a portable?
CuteFaceJay
Member
A lot of folks who get one will for sure be loading up at least a few emulated games its part of the devices charm that drove people to order one to begin with.
Open garden device. Who can't love that?
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