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SbF: Super Best Friends Play Thread: ReBoot

Skrams

Member
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I never watched the BB LP, I did like their Dark Souls 2 run.

Should I give it a watch or save my Pat/Woolie itch for the DS3 run? Would I burnt out watching both LP's concurrently?

Just watch DS3 for now and then keep BB in your back pocket. BB is a fine LP, but it's not like you need to gorge on both right now.
 
The Twilight Princess ep 16 ending is STRONG to say the least, good fucking shit Liam.

I was wondering where that was going since it's been a while since I've played the game.
 

Anung

Un Rama
The Bloodborne LP is pretty good. Huge chunks of it are borderline unwatchable and frustrating due to Woolie being on controls. Old Hunters is the best souls-related LP they've ever done IMO.
 

sjay1994

Member
I never watched the BB LP, I did like their Dark Souls 2 run.

Should I give it a watch or save my Pat/Woolie itch for the DS3 run? Would I burnt out watching both LP's concurrently?

I say watch old hunters LP and the snailborne abrigded version of the BB lp.

From the first two eps of the DS3 lp, it has the same energy as the Old Hunters LP which is great.
 
Ugh. Wish they gave van Bruggan a weapon in DX. You get like 5k credits later if you give him a combat rifle, it would have been totally worth to reload and buy a rifle from the merchant downstairs.
 

Strimei

Member
Ugh. Wish they gave van Bruggan a weapon in DX. You get like 5k credits later if you give him a combat rifle, it would have been totally worth to reload and buy a rifle from the merchant downstairs.

Usually give him a machine pistol myself, as I recall. Or whatever it is the guy sells in the apartment complex.

Fisticuffs: Kind of amused they skipped over Gardevoir for this, too.
 
*watches the first Dark Souls 3 vid*

Pat has his greatest victory yet...
due to luck.

He got the katana because the guy holding it just walked off a cliff off screen.
 
*watches the first Dark Souls 3 vid*

Pat has his greatest victory yet...
due to luck.

He got the katana because the guy holding it just walked off a cliff off screen.
Hahaha can't wait to see that

I got the katana because I never found that guy until after I bought the key from the merchant so I was probably way over leveled
 
Pat: So R1-

*bang*

Matt: Oh

Woolie: R1's the trigger.

"Yeah, yeah"

Woolie: I didn't know that.

Liam: It's on the gun. Anyway, it's fine.

Woolie: That was a mistake.

Good lord these streams
 

Mat-triX

Member
Re-watching the Heavy Rain stream made me realize that Matt is probably the only member that can not take criticism, at all. When Liam corrected Matt for saying all the women in Heavy Rain looked the same, he basically threw a tempter tantrum then finally shut down. Hell, Pat would eventually take the "L' on his chest, but not Matt.

Could you imagine If Matt was roasted? I could imagine everyone else being able to joke at themselves, but I can't see Matt doing it without being pissy about it (or trying to act like his mistake was intentional).
 

Oberon

Banned
I ma just watching the first episode of DS 3 lp (I know I said I won´t watch it, but whatever)
I wish Liam and Woolie were the one doing it.

Re-watching the Heavy Rain stream made me realize that Matt is probably the only member that can not take criticism, at all. When Liam corrected Matt for saying all the women in Heavy Rain looked the same, he basically threw a tempter tantrum then finally shut down. Hell, Pat would eventually take the "L' on his chest, but not Matt.

Could you imagine If Matt was roasted? I could imagine everyone else being able to joke at themselves, but I can't see Matt doing it without being pissy about it (or trying to act like his mistake was intentional).

To quote Matt "Apparently I am not allowed to critize the game"
You are matt, as long as you don't just back down when you notice you were wrong.
 
Plague
The guy that hates the things he loves.

He's not wrong, though. Dark Souls 3 is incredibly fucking obnoxious.

I assume it's as an homage to Dark Souls 2.
That or Miyazaki really, really wants to drive home the point he doesn't want to make any more of these.
There's still tons of great stuff in there, but moment to moment it's been made less to be challenging and more just to be an onerous task.
 

NCR Redslayer

NeoGAF's Vegeta
He's not wrong, though. Dark Souls 3 is incredibly fucking obnoxious.

I assume it's as an homage to Dark Souls 2.
That or Miyazaki really, really wants to drive home the point he doesn't want to make any more of these.
There's still tons of great stuff in there, but moment to moment it's been made less to be challenging and more just to be an onerous task.
He just wants to make a not-berserk berserk game.
 

Numb

Member
He's not wrong, though. Dark Souls 3 is incredibly fucking obnoxious.

I assume it's as an homage to Dark Souls 2.
That or Miyazaki really, really wants to drive home the point he doesn't want to make any more of these.
There's still tons of great stuff in there, but moment to moment it's been made less to be challenging and more just to be an onerous task.

its souls
hasn't felt the same since ds1
maybe i just like 1 too much
 

Edzi

Member
He's not wrong, though. Dark Souls 3 is incredibly fucking obnoxious.

I assume it's as an homage to Dark Souls 2.
That or Miyazaki really, really wants to drive home the point he doesn't want to make any more of these.
There's still tons of great stuff in there, but moment to moment it's been made less to be challenging and more just to be an onerous task.

Nah, it's nowhere near as bad as ds2 and I never once felt like it was blatantly unfair like how ds2 was. I think what you and plague are feeling is just the fact that the game is much faster than ds1, and feels like a fusion of ds1 and BB (a game that I think plague hates). It's also the only souls game where I didn't go for a heavy weapon because of how the combat seems to flow.
 

MrHoot

Member
Oboy it officially popped on youtube. Bestfriendssouls time here we come.

I am feeling myself like Plague thou these days cuz I'm feeling towards Souls 3 what he feels towards BB, although less in terms of mechanics and more in terms of lore and formula (but there are mechanics I dislike tho)

Gonna be fun times seeing the gang going up against the game. Shame that Woolie will miss completely the souls 1 ref as they are heavy, but i've seen already the parts up on vessel and they're pretty gold with everything you can wish for like Pat's hubris being punished, woolie lying with bad advice and Matt bringing energy and the legend of lucky pat to life
 

convo

Member
Having a discussion on Ds gameplay still is so subjective. We got people saying every enemy in the game is just a glass cannon at best, or people saying it's a really hard game. It's so dependant on you and your prefered play-style. You want a last word then wait on ENB completing the game, he is handling the call backs a lot better than plague at least for now and he is so much smarter and has so much more intel on how Miyazaki does stuff.
I can't think of a more worthless thing to listen to than Plague talk about things that are not cartoon porn related either. He should know his happines lies in watching other people stream drawings of said cartoon porn drawings and animations.
 

Laputa_94

Member
I can't think of a more worthless thing to listen to than Plague talk about things that are not cartoon porn related either. He should know his happines lies in watching other people stream drawings of said cartoon porn drawings and animations.

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I can't disagree more. I greatly appreciate his opinion on souls games as well as other topics. Much more than the best friends a lot of the time.
 
Nah, it's nowhere near as bad as ds2 and I never once felt like it was blatantly unfair like how ds2 was. I think what you and plague are feeling is just the fact that the game is much faster than ds1, and feels like a fusion of ds1 and BB (a game that I think plague hates). It's also the only souls game where I didn't go for a heavy weapon because of how the combat seems to flow.

Not really talking about the combat. I like the speed of the combat--I play pretty much exclusively with two-handed or dual weapons and no shield--and I'm not even super chuffed about the Poise changes, though I do think they're garbage. I prefer Bloodborne's combat in general, actually, but DS3's is second best in the series, easily.

I mean things like enemy packs being tagged to "attract" to the player (you can see this most blatantly toward the end of the last optional area) even when the enemies in question have absolutely no way to see the player and haven't actually been aggro'd. Things like "summon NPC for help" returning as a required part of certain NPC quest lines, which may as well be "use a guide or fuck you". The fact there are more mimics than actual chests. The fact shortcuts for boss runs almost always involve gratuitous ladder-climbing or elevator rides because they really didn't make good use of bonfire placements. And, honestly, the fact every encounter is an ambush, always.

None of it is challenging, it's just all so tediously annoying. It's like a Greatest Hits Collection of things that people who bought Dark Souls because their friends told them it's really "hard" and confusing think Dark Souls is about, almost all of which are actually completely extraneous and were proven such when they were removed in Bloodblorne.

The core gameplay (controls, animations, most of the hitboxes), level architecture/visual design, and a decent number of the boss fights still make it an excellent game, but man is it ever crammed full of shitty sawdust filler.
 

convo

Member
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I can't disagree more. I greatly appreciate his opinion on souls games as well as other topics. Much more than the best friends a lot of the time.

I just think i'd rather hear Spy and some Dark Souls PvPers on this stuff. Sometimes i feel that people get so particular of their wishes for a series that the conclusion of those wishes is to hope that sequels never exist, that nothing should ever get iterated on so that their favorite game remains the best thing. I had no problems with the combat in BB as opposed to Plague so i never actually bothered to hear his take on it besides when he is on the podcast or on streams of the SBF.
 

Laputa_94

Member
I just think i'd rather hear Spy and some Dark Souls PvPers on this stuff. Sometimes i feel that people get so particular of their wishes for a series that the conclusion of those wishes is to hope that sequels never exist, that nothing should ever get iterated on so that their favorite game remains the best thing. I had no problems with the combat in BB as opposed to Plague so i never actually bothered to hear his take on it besides when he is on the podcast or on streams of the SBF.

That's understandable, but his opinion shouldn't be considered automatically worthless. Even though there are other people who are more involved like a German Spy or ENB. As shown in his LP he knows his stuff and can give a well informed opinion. I do see your view on people having very specific wishes for games can be overwhelming, I have the opinion when it goes to that point it comes down too are you having fun or not.
 

MrHoot

Member
I actually like to listen to plague, even if I don't agree with him most of the time regarding souls, because he also brings up point that usually the souls community at large, including ENB or GermanSpy or Vaati, ignore completely. Mostly how he approaches writing and stories. A lot just care about the "How", trying to decipher lore while he's more about the "why" and also doesn't tend to deify Miyazaki on certain aspects that the man itself also said weren't his forte. He seems to be aligning a lot with Goethe's three questions on art/plays criticism. "What was the artist trying to do, was he succesful doing it and was it worth it"
 

convo

Member
I do see your view on people having very specific wishes for games can be overwhelming, I have the opinion when it goes to that point it comes down too are you having fun or not.

Getting rid of being "too much of a fan of something" is a virtue i had to learn to enjoy more things, also admitting that i actually don't have standards as long as i have the free time to indulge in whatever the fuck made me realise that arguing for the quality of something isn't relevant to myelf.
 
Dark Souls 3 kill count is currently 2
not for long though
this game has some insane difficulty curves
and my first playthrough was also DEX so yea
 

Anung

Un Rama
50 minute Dark Souls 3 opener? Nice. Please be good!

Pat's already got people on twitter inundating him with advice/spoilers. Dude literally can't win considering a huge portion of the fanbase voted for a blind LP.

Just finished re-watching all of The Walking Dead LP's. I totally forgot the extent of the Kenny hate with the last few episodes being a non-stop Kenny tirade. I watched an interesting video a few months back examining how Kenny is an example of an abusive step-father. It's a pretty spot on analysis which nobody seems to ever mention. During my last TWD playthrough I played it pro-kenny and he was still an irredeemable horrible shitbag. I seriously don't know where Kenny defenders are coming from.

I hope they do that Walking Dead: Michonne at some point when its all out.
 

Matsukaze

Member
Pat's already got people on twitter inundating him with advice/spoilers. Dude literally can't win considering a huge portion of the fanbase voted for a blind LP.
It impresses me how so many fans can consistently tune out Pat's pleas for mercy regarding spoilers and still see themselves as helping. I know he sorta gave up, but still.

Just finished re-watching all of The Walking Dead LP's. I totally forgot the extent of the Kenny hate with the last few episodes being a non-stop Kenny tirade. I watched an interesting video a few months back examining how Kenny is an example of an abusive step-father. It's a pretty spot on analysis which nobody seems to ever mention. During my last TWD playthrough I played it pro-kenny and he was still an irredeemable horrible shitbag. I seriously don't know where Kenny defenders are coming from.
I'm not a Kenny defender, but there was one thing that confused me about some of the decisions they made, especially towards the end of Season 2 - their occasional surprise at Kenny's negative reactions to answers that were obviously going to antagonize him.

There were a few times in that LP when they picked the crystal clear, no two ways about it "Fuck you, Kenny!" response and then sat there in what seemed to be disbelief going "I can't believe Kenny's getting upset we told him 'fuck you'."

That being said, I'm glad they are so anti-Kenny because Boatmaster and his expanded lore is such a great addition to the Zaibatsu Rogues Gallery.
 
Man, that FFX LP, what a journey. I'm not really an RPG guy, but dude their FFXV video and this LP are fucking doing things... plus that music oh my god...

DS3 LP should be a treat
 

convo

Member
That poll for npc quest guides is way to even to get anyone satisfied. I'd rather want them to get help on that because they will miss that shit and never get back to it.
 
Yeah, the NPC quests are kind of a mess. They feel kind of random, even by Souls standards. I don't think I properly completed any of them my first playthrough, which I guess is fine since I went right into NG+, but would suck pretty bad for recording.
 
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