I would love for MS to release as many games as possible. I wasn't all that interested in Scalebound but it seem many were. But, at the end of the day the semantics about what happen between MS and Platinum doesn't really matter. MS is the one paying for the games development. They could have finished the game and if MS took a look at it decided not to release it that's their decision. I guess I just don't have the same expectations that some folk have from theses companies. Game would have been forgotten about a month after release anyway just like every game is now days.
Scalebound cancelled [Platinum Games and Kamiya have commented]
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I would love for MS to release as many games as possible. I wasn't all that interested in Scalebound but it seem many were. But, at the end of the day the semantics about what happen between MS and Platinum doesn't really matter. MS is the one paying for the games development. They could have finished the game and if MS took a look at it decided not to release it that's their decision. I guess I just don't have the same expectations that some folk have from theses companies. Game would have been forgotten about a month after release anyway just like every game is now days.
onemanasylum
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Because in the first game Drakengard.....you extinguished dragons.....
Harry Stewart
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Huh, this is weird. Somehow this game managed to almost completely pass me by. I only read about offhand in the 2 years since it was announced and watched a trailer for the first time (the 2016 E3 demo) a few days ago. I didn't think it look very good, but to have it be cancelled less than a week after first laying eyes on it... Jeez.
What ?
Peroroncino
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I mean the post itself says: "Nie zadajemy ciosów końcowych - na PS4 będziecie mogli ciachać mieczem do woli!
"Which means: "We don't deal finishing strikes - on ps4 you will be able to swing your sword until you've had your fill.
"Finishing strikes? Extinct dragons? Couple of hours after it got cancelled? For me it's a clear troll on this mess.
Best keep secret on GAF haha!
OT - Are there any hard facts we know yet apart from hot air being blown around?
After MS fucked everyone over with the cancellation of True Fantasy Live Online, I knew NEVER to buy a console for a game that hasn't yet been released. Looks like MS is still up to the same old tactics of fucking over fans of Japanese games.
Reckheim
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I mean the post itself says: "Nie zadajemy ciosów końcowych - na PS4 będziecie mogli ciachać mieczem do woli!
Which means: "We don't deal finishing strikes - on ps4 you will be able to swing your sword until you've had your fill.
Add to that the picture, and for me it's a clear troll on this mess.
Are you reading past all the Dragengard posts?
So I don't follow or take credence in "Rumors".
dragonelite
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Now im interested in those unrealistic expectations, i mean the game was pretty much sold as a openworld rpg with coop if i'm not mistaken.
If it is a troll then that is one of the most classless things you can do in a situation like this and the post should be removed. But I think it might be a stretch.I mean the post itself says: "Nie zadajemy ciosów końcowych - na PS4 będziecie mogli ciachać mieczem do woli!
Which means: "We don't deal finishing strikes - on ps4 you will be able to swing your sword until you've had your fill.
Finishing strikes? Extinct dragons? Couple of hours after it got cancelled? For me it's a clear troll on this mess.
To be fair they did, by a year.
Dude. It's an enourmous stretch to connect this to Scalebound in any way. It might be unintentionally painful, but it certainly isn't a 'dig' at the game.
onemanasylum
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You are seeing what you want to see, thta is all about Nier and Drakengard, nothing more.
Because of Drakengard? You know, the series NieR spun from which has Dragons as a central theme
Dragons were a big part of the story in Drakengard, Drakengard 2 and Drakengard 3.
Nier is also set in the Drakengard timeline.
Yeah, I really don't see MS saying make it bigger and such thus costing more money and time. Sounds like the dev bit off more then they could chew.
I don't want to see anything. The timing just makes it seem slightly suspicious. It really isn't that big of a deal.
Yeah I mean...This thread is obviously about Scalebound, but the discussion has evolved into using Scalebound as a jumping off point to discuss different issues, because if this thread was only about "man I was hyped for Scalebound but now I'm sad it's gone" then this would have been a short ass thread that would have died off quickly.
Basically, don't confuse the activity of this thread with general hype for the game.
bah! we'd never have any fun if everyone thought like this!...
don't even own an xbone, & i'm disappointed to hear this. &, yeah, i will refrain from playing the blame game until more info is available...
We would also never have a discussion, because we will never have the full story.
There's nothing wrong with forming an opinion based on what we know. These are two well-established companies with a history and a reputation.
onemanasylum
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Nothing suspicious about it, talk about reaching. Dragons are a huge part of the nier universe and were it spun from.
I SiR MartY I
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Sad news. No idea what has happened behind the scenes but this seemed like a game that was coming along well. Was one of my most anticipated games of the year.
Microsoft's upcoming game lineup looks pretty bad right now, especially for people like myself that enjoy single player games more than MP games.
Microsoft's upcoming game lineup looks pretty bad right now, especially for people like myself that enjoy single player games more than MP games.
stan423321
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That's a nice Watsonian argument, but it makes no Doylist sense given how apart the franchises are. I wonder how many people on Facebook know of the connection.
onemanasylum
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A lot just according to this thread, to make the connection to scalebound is ridiculous imo, massive reach. Who cares about facebook? Half the people there may not even heard of scalebound either.
Hexa
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Given how niche both franchises I would assume the vast majority of the people interested in Nier.
Yes, just delay, delay and delay, while dropping millions and millions more into a project that is in all probability a total mess that needed to be scrapped and sent back to the drawing board. Sometimes dreams can be a little too big and I am betting that is large in part what we are seeing here. It was a neat as hell looking idea, though.
It's downright silly.
Those making the connection probably don't know much about Drakengard/Nier.
shanafan
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To be fair, it's just that one tweet. Other than that, not much out there.
Shinobi spitting hot truth fire as usual.
Jimmyfenix
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Jesus Christ
Lactose_Intolerant
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Game wasn't delivering so MS moved the goalposts so they could kill it.
To be fair, a lot of great Japanese games came out for the OG Xbox. I think people forget how many great Japanese games came out exclusively for that platform:
Ninja Gaiden (Black),
DOA 3
DOA Ultimate
DOA Xtreme Beach Volleyball
Panzer Dragoon Orta
Phantom Dust
Shenmue II (North American exclusive)
Phantom Crash
Otogi
Otogi2
Crazy Taxi 3
Jet Set Radio Future
Gunvalkyrie
House of the Dead 3
Steel Battalion
Steel Battalion: Line of Contact
I'm sure I'm missing a few important titles. Sure, it doesn't compare to other consoles of that era, but it's fair to say that Xbox had a pretty good history of getting quality Japanese games.
Judging by the Phantom Dust story, we can at least get a hint what might have gotten wrong with Scalebound development and why Kamiya tweeted "WTF MS" a year ago:
https://kotaku.com/how-a-small-game-studio-almost-made-it-big-1696997142
https://kotaku.com/how-a-small-game-studio-almost-made-it-big-1696997142
You don't write ads targeting the five people who do know much about Drakengard/Nier. The ad reads like complete gibberish if you don't have anything to associate the dragon part with.
RichiRamjag
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Lot of people here instantly made the connection. It doesn't even make sense. Troll a platinum cancellation with a platinum game.
Nier ads don't target people that know about Nier?
I guess the only way to get noticed for that shitty upcoming nothing-game is by associating it with an ubiquitous juggernaut like COD, GTA or Scalebound.
Buff Drinklots
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You forgot Metal Wolf Chaos.
Sir_Crocodile
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You're missing THE most important one, Metal Wolf Chaos.
RichiRamjag
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I hope that demo helps. I know personally, I wasn't even looking at Nier until I played that demo and fell in love.
timmyp53
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This thread man lol
Well aware of that. I guess my post wasn't very clear and kind of snipe-y. MS did make a clear effort on the original Xbox, but TFLO was a real fuck-over for JRPG fans like me. Literally zero worthwhile JRPG exclusives came out on the original Xbox. TFLO was a major reason I purchased the system as a JRPG fan (I guess I was naive- I was young too), and I was very upset when it was canceled. They made a bigger push for JRPGs with 360, but nearly all of the good ones came out on other systems (Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey the noteworthy exceptions). Now with the One, they don't care about Japanese games period, not just JRPGs. Any Japanese-inspired game (Phantom Dust) or Japanese-developed game (Scalebound) financed by MS is getting canceled, and its library suffers majorly from a lack of diversity for non-indies. I guess they just don't care about curating a diverse library as long as they're making money.
Indeed. Somewhere in the middle lies the truth. In which case, I can't really blame them from a business perspective. But sure, the game looked like it had potential underneath the mess that it probably became. I know I had high hopes for it.
Me too.
Probably as disappointed as MS.
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