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Over on the Sci-fi boards they call the Original BSG TOS and the new one BSG TNS.
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Over on the Sci-fi boards they call the Original BSG TOS and the new one BSG TNS.
Fragamemnon
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SG-1 was pretty good tonight. (7/10) - For the first time this season, all of the characters seemed to mesh well and the basis for the next few seasons are coming together pretty well-Teal'c especially has some good conflict potential that should play out pretty well. Daniel and Carter still seem "along for the ride"-I hope the midseason two-parter is less about the Orii exploits, and more about SG-1.
Vala's gone. 
I knew it was coming but her character was so much more interesting and fresh than Carter's is at this stage in the show's life.
I knew it was coming but her character was so much more interesting and fresh than Carter's is at this stage in the show's life.Fragamemnon
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MoxManiac said:
This was a pretty good episode, but I can't help but feel that the stupid Ronen/Taela crap stole from what could have been a badass Rodney episode where McKay really goes into a spiral of semi-madness once that redshirt died.
I think one of the reasons I like Atlantis a lot this season is that the doctors and scientists are getting the really good episodes. Weir is woefully underutilized-as usual, Shepard will always be the center-stage star, but the show really has been a lot better with more Rodney and the doc and less of Taela, that's for sure.
BSG rocked again tonight... I cannot believe the Cyclons are
Jesus it's like watching 24 all over again... every damn week I can WAIT to see what happens on the next episode...
SG-1 has been.... interesting, though I actually
and I still haven't watched Atlantis even though I have every ep recorded except for the first one....
going after Adama again
Jesus it's like watching 24 all over again... every damn week I can WAIT to see what happens on the next episode...
SG-1 has been.... interesting, though I actually
liked the Vala character more than any other, her interactions with Daniel have been the best part for me...
Sg-1 was slow but had a neat ending. The line by Daniel at the end when he found out Vala may of been sucked into the other galaxy was great. About them 'Sending them a message alright'
Atlantis was solid tonight as was it last week. Another one of those... so close... yet so far away from achieving the ultimate weapon thing.
BSG and the 24 comparison is spot on. Last season felt like a soap opera compared to this. They move on.. and they move on quickly. More actoin and twists keeps things moving smoothly.
Atlantis was solid tonight as was it last week. Another one of those... so close... yet so far away from achieving the ultimate weapon thing.
BSG and the 24 comparison is spot on. Last season felt like a soap opera compared to this. They move on.. and they move on quickly. More actoin and twists keeps things moving smoothly.
JoshuaJSlone
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I think this is my favorite SciFi Friday of the season yet.
With SG-1 it actually felt like they were doing something other than introducing the new threat or spinning their wheels waiting for Amanda Tapping to return. The Goa'uld who's been converted to the faith of the Orii, the "supergate", very interesting stuff. The plot to trick humans and Jaffa into growing the force field didn't seem right to me, though. So they can't send that much energy through the gate? Surely if Earth has a bomb that can cause such massive growth, the Orii could just send an awesome bomb or two of their own creation, and maintain the element of surprise. Or just use fast ships. I guess we don't know how far away they are, but if an Earth vessel can make it to Pegasus in a matter of weeks, surely ascended know-it-alls can come up with some speedy designs, too. Nice to see Vala was sent off in such a way that we're guaranteed an interesting episode about how she swindles her way around another galaxy.
In Atlantis it was insightful to see how Dex went with the news of fellow survivors, but the big focus on McKay was fine by me. Not just McKay, but obsessed overconfident McKay who manages to convince Sheppard to believe him.
I also enjoy the connections between same-week SG-1 and Atlantis which are probably sometimes intentional and sometimes not. Tonight what stuck out was Mitchell going on about not wanting to resort to the massive explosive which woul destroy everything in a 100 mile radius... which was a bit dwarfed by McKay's accidental destruction of 3/4 of a solar system.
Galactica... what's there to say? More of the same, but that's not bad. And finally with Adama awake and noone stranded on Caprica or Kobol, it seems like things are really moving.
With SG-1 it actually felt like they were doing something other than introducing the new threat or spinning their wheels waiting for Amanda Tapping to return. The Goa'uld who's been converted to the faith of the Orii, the "supergate", very interesting stuff. The plot to trick humans and Jaffa into growing the force field didn't seem right to me, though. So they can't send that much energy through the gate? Surely if Earth has a bomb that can cause such massive growth, the Orii could just send an awesome bomb or two of their own creation, and maintain the element of surprise. Or just use fast ships. I guess we don't know how far away they are, but if an Earth vessel can make it to Pegasus in a matter of weeks, surely ascended know-it-alls can come up with some speedy designs, too. Nice to see Vala was sent off in such a way that we're guaranteed an interesting episode about how she swindles her way around another galaxy.
In Atlantis it was insightful to see how Dex went with the news of fellow survivors, but the big focus on McKay was fine by me. Not just McKay, but obsessed overconfident McKay who manages to convince Sheppard to believe him.
I also enjoy the connections between same-week SG-1 and Atlantis which are probably sometimes intentional and sometimes not. Tonight what stuck out was Mitchell going on about not wanting to resort to the massive explosive which woul destroy everything in a 100 mile radius... which was a bit dwarfed by McKay's accidental destruction of 3/4 of a solar system.
Galactica... what's there to say? More of the same, but that's not bad. And finally with Adama awake and noone stranded on Caprica or Kobol, it seems like things are really moving.
I liked Atlantis better than SG-1, and unfortunately for SG-1, Atlantis is becoming what SG-1 used to be. It was exciting, full of suspense and had the perfect balance between humor and drama. Last season, McKay was invincible. It's good, no, fantastic, that we're starting to see that these characters, too, are just humans, and make mistakes. The ending was awesome, I love that kind of drama. From what I have read, Dr. Beckett will also be screwing up. Atlantis fucking rocks.
As for SG-1, well, I can't remember a lot of it, so that's bad. I hated the comedic Goa'uld, hated Vala and the pacing sucked. It didn't build up any kind of suspense and the ending was meh. What's good, though, is that Vala's gone, Carter's back and the real SG-1 can now start exploring worlds again. I hope the writers have written an awesome season starting with episode 7, or else they will have ruined my favorite show. I'll gladly replace it with Atlantis, though.
As for SG-1, well, I can't remember a lot of it, so that's bad. I hated the comedic Goa'uld, hated Vala and the pacing sucked. It didn't build up any kind of suspense and the ending was meh. What's good, though, is that Vala's gone, Carter's back and the real SG-1 can now start exploring worlds again. I hope the writers have written an awesome season starting with episode 7, or else they will have ruined my favorite show. I'll gladly replace it with Atlantis, though.
Phoenix
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SG-1 is dead to me still... the show really isn't going anywhere that we haven't been before and that's the part that just annoys me now. It reminds me of when I used to play pen and paper RPGs back in high school and after several campaigns the party we played with had characters that had become so powerful that really there was no where to go with them and we ended up having to make some more. SG1 has become the unemployment office for cancelled/ended science fiction shows.
As for Atlantis, its certainly a bagillion times better than it was when it started. I can actually watch the show now. The McKay episodes this season have been interesting, but his character is kinda boring. He's fun to watch and all, but they really need to work more on building some REAL depth into him as opposed to these one episode attempts to "show the hero's tragic flaw".
As for Atlantis, its certainly a bagillion times better than it was when it started. I can actually watch the show now. The McKay episodes this season have been interesting, but his character is kinda boring. He's fun to watch and all, but they really need to work more on building some REAL depth into him as opposed to these one episode attempts to "show the hero's tragic flaw".
I loved all three shows this week. SG-A was my favorite of the week the rodney McKay character is by far the best sci-fi character now that general O'Niel is gone. I hope we get a few more McKay centered episodes this season because every one has been damn good. The only bad thing about the show was the asguard was on he rocks.
SG-SG1 was nice the show is starting to find its self again. I like the new enemy they are pretty damn cool. Valla and jackson make me laugh pretty damn hard they have great chemistry. The supergate was actually a pretty cool idea. The begining of this season has opened up many many directions the show can go. It was also nice to see amanda tapping again she is hot as ever.
BSG was good this week not as good as the rest of this season but still good. I am glad they finally got helo and starbuck off of caprica it was long over due. I am amazed at how much better this show as gotten over last year. Last season I could hardly stomach the show but I am glad I did. Getting rid of the non stop sex has made the show much more watch able. All they have to do is get rid of the pregnacy story lines and Dr. Bashir and the show would be special. I am still waiting for a male character to stand up and show some balls and stand up to the chicks who stole thier balls.
SG-SG1 was nice the show is starting to find its self again. I like the new enemy they are pretty damn cool. Valla and jackson make me laugh pretty damn hard they have great chemistry. The supergate was actually a pretty cool idea. The begining of this season has opened up many many directions the show can go. It was also nice to see amanda tapping again she is hot as ever.
BSG was good this week not as good as the rest of this season but still good. I am glad they finally got helo and starbuck off of caprica it was long over due. I am amazed at how much better this show as gotten over last year. Last season I could hardly stomach the show but I am glad I did. Getting rid of the non stop sex has made the show much more watch able. All they have to do is get rid of the pregnacy story lines and Dr. Bashir and the show would be special. I am still waiting for a male character to stand up and show some balls and stand up to the chicks who stole thier balls.
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Did anyone ever apologize to the creators of BSG after the initial fan backlash?
Silent Death
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Gotta agree there is no point to SG1 anymore. This feels like what they did to the Practise it's last seaon, they had a couple old characters threw in a new guy and still called it the Practise when it obviously wasn't. This definitly is not SG1. They should have ended it last season and started new with a different show, call it SGC, for Stargate Command. Bring Bowder, Vala and a couple other original charcters and give them a good enemy to fight, not this same old same, race of people who want people to tthink they are Gods, uhm yeah we already had that for 8 season they were called the G'ould. The only ggod thing about this seaon was Vala and they went and got rid of her for freaking Carter, please. Carter without Jack is like Spock without Kirk.
SG1 is stupid at the the moment because the Ori are gods, or at least they are as powerful as the Jafar thought the G'ouald were, I just cant watch it and believe that these people who mistook a few guys with some fancy technology for gods can now witness what the Ori are doing and dismiss it. If Jackson ascends again this series I will cry.
I totally agree that it should have ended last season, it was a perfect ending.
I think Atlantis has been a lot worse this season since they made contact with Earth, especially since the opener, now wraith think they are dead, theres just nothing driving the series at all.
I totally agree that it should have ended last season, it was a perfect ending.
I think Atlantis has been a lot worse this season since they made contact with Earth, especially since the opener, now wraith think they are dead, theres just nothing driving the series at all.
Yes there is. The Atlantis expedition is not about defeating the Wraith, but obtaining Ancient technology.
And by the by, Daniel has ascended only once. Besides, Gerak has told the Jaffa that the Ori are not gods, which is why they've dismissed them. No other people have dismissed the Ori so far.
And by the by, Daniel has ascended only once. Besides, Gerak has told the Jaffa that the Ori are not gods, which is why they've dismissed them. No other people have dismissed the Ori so far.
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silver said:
Daniel ascended twice. Once when he left and the second yime when the Carter replicators ship blow up, last season.
Also i'm watching Fridays SG1 episode and did they really dumb down Carter. It took her till almost the end of the show to figure out what I knew from the start. She should have known after the Free Jaffa showed up and started blasting the shield what was going on.
Ghost said:
The Ori are also stupid bacuse it's the same freaking story we've delt with for the last 8 seasons. Get some originality guys.
Its the same, except theres nothing false about the Ori at all.
Other than forcing their religon on people (they ask nicely first) theres nothing that evil about them at all (at the moment anyway), I mean they arent even as bad as the G'ouald because they arent forcing servitude, they just want to be worshipped.
Other than forcing their religon on people (they ask nicely first) theres nothing that evil about them at all (at the moment anyway), I mean they arent even as bad as the G'ouald because they arent forcing servitude, they just want to be worshipped.
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No they are false; they are just humans who have evolved to a higher place. They are no more gods then the G'ould are because they know how the Stargate works or have advanced technology. Also just like the G'ould the Ori lie and propagate a false image so those that are lesser will do their bidding. In the G'ould it was to slave for them in the Ori they want them to worship them, highlighting another weakness in an already weak villain. In both cases if the people did not warship them they would be killed. Wow the Ori and G'ould are two totally different ideas. *Sarcasm off*
Silent Death said:
Wrong. He went to a place between death and ascension, he hadn't yet chosen to ascend and he never did.
Why? The shield was expanding even when nobody was shooting at it from outer space.
[/quote]The Ori are also stupid bacuse it's the same freaking story we've delt with for the last 8 seasons. Get some originality guys.[/QUOTE]
SG-1's writers had two options: an enemy who doesn't want people to worship them (Wraith) or one who does (Goa'uld, Ori). Would they have gone with a Wraith-like enemy, you would be calling them unoriginal as well. Besides, SG-1 is the mythology show. I like the concept of the Ori, because they, as opposed to the Goa'uld, really are as powerful as you would expect a god to be.
Silent Death
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The Ori are also stupid bacuse it's the same freaking story we've delt with for the last 8 seasons. Get some originality guys.[/QUOTE]silver said:
SG-1's writers had two options: an enemy who doesn't want people to worship them (Wraith) or one who does (Goa'uld, Ori). Would they have gone with a Wraith-like enemy, you would be calling them unoriginal as well. Besides, SG-1 is the mythology show. I like the concept of the Ori, because they, as opposed to the Goa'uld, really are as powerful as you would expect a god to be.[/QUOTE]
LOL the funny thing is that I did call the Wraith unoriginal when Atlantis first started, space freaking vampires, you gotta be kidding me. Yes you are correct that SG1 is mythology based and there in is the problem, it's been done to death for 8 years do something else. Why keep it going and running in circles and pissing of loyal viewers if you can't come up with something fresh. This is what killed Star Trek, put out the same crew in a station or a spaceship with a different name and rehash the same plots from 30 years ago. We see how well that worked with Star Trek.
Silent Death said:
The problem with comparing the g'ould to the orii is that their power along with that of the priors is very real and its no long a simple matter of stealing tech to make for an even battle feild and i cant wait to see how it plays out. admitedly its not totally new, but its a different take that i would like to see play out for a while.
and if memory serves me right daniel didnt ascend, but was saved from death by oma and brought to a place inbetween, so he could decide his fate.
Well that's not necessarily true. The priors' power is not infinite like the Ori, and the Ori can't come to 'our' galaxy because then the Ancients *would* fight them. The power of the priors is almost certainly technological and embodied in the staffs they cary, and is probably potentially stealable.
And the attempt to open a Supergate is unlikely to succeed again since all those with the power to cause it to succeed are aware of it now. So they really will have to use starships to reach our galaxy, and they may be very very far away.
I think the difference this time is really that we're going to learn more about the ancients. And that's going to be happening from a converging storyline in both shows. They're using a familiar device, yes, but how else could they possibly DO a story involving bad guys who might stir up the Ancients?
And the attempt to open a Supergate is unlikely to succeed again since all those with the power to cause it to succeed are aware of it now. So they really will have to use starships to reach our galaxy, and they may be very very far away.
I think the difference this time is really that we're going to learn more about the ancients. And that's going to be happening from a converging storyline in both shows. They're using a familiar device, yes, but how else could they possibly DO a story involving bad guys who might stir up the Ancients?
maharg said:
the problem with that is there has never been a cap put on how powerful an enhanced human could be made( and I would imagine that the orii would be more adept at the process than any of the g'ould who have tried.) and that leads me to belive that out of the hands of the priors, that staff would be useless.
Yes, well, you might have thought the same about a Goa'ould hand device in the early seasons as well. The fact is, when a sci-fi show does a villain that appears godly (goa'ould and then replicators in sg-1, the borg in star trek, the first evil in Buffy) the ONLY way to fight them is to pull them down to our level. Already they're fairly close to 'our' level because we *have* seen modified and very powerful humans before, and the ascended races involved are in a stalemate.
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Given that those were the only two options, Oma was busy, and none of the other ascended folk were very helpful, I assumed he temporarily ascended so as to descend. Was it made clear one way or the other, though?silver said:
Yeah, that's the main reason I can accept the new guys being as gods as well... fighting "gods" is just what SG-1 does well.
Well, it did get them 25 seasons of shows in an 18 year consecutive period.Silent Death said:
Without giving much Atlantis away, for the first season they're basically on their own, so there isn't much chance for a linked storyline. The ZPM SG-1 retrieved at the end of Season 8 allowed a resumption of contact with Atlantis, so the potential for such linkage is there, though any examples I'd give from the first six episodes of this season would be pretty minor.DarienA said:
It's as simple as this:
SG1 has defeated countless highly advanced races and with Asgard, Gou'ald and Ancient tech now in their possession they HAVE to have a insanely powerful enemy for them to even be challenged anymore. Like it or not there it is. Myself, I just watch the show and not worry about silly little crap like that. It must be working as I turn in each and every Friday.
SG1 has defeated countless highly advanced races and with Asgard, Gou'ald and Ancient tech now in their possession they HAVE to have a insanely powerful enemy for them to even be challenged anymore. Like it or not there it is. Myself, I just watch the show and not worry about silly little crap like that. It must be working as I turn in each and every Friday.
Fragamemnon
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Mashing said:
Certainly the stakes had to be ramped up a bit. I think a bit of the disappointment is that the series has decided, when given pretty much a blank slate, to try to up the stakes and instead of taking the series in a fresh direction-to expand horizontally instead of vertically, if you will.
That's a pretty valid complaint. It's almost as if the writers of the show aren't up the challenge or risk of redefining the series-or it could be that Scifi didn't want to take that risk, which is just as plausible, I guess.
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Mashing said:
Meh. At the moment it just fills the void before BSG comes on
Its entertaining, but if I missed it - I wouldn't be upset.SG-1 is still living in this limbo environment where the rest of the world is pretty much oblivious to whats going on. What would be much more interesting is some sort of revelation to the rest of the world and a stepping out and growing of the earth populace through the gate. Then if you want to throw in a variety of enemies weird and godly, fine.... but right now its just getting tired and silly.
"Oh he's a god! Shoot him!"
The Ori at this ppoint are really just the Bore-I.
JoshuaJSlone
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What did he say?Fuzzy said:
BSG is definitely feeding my 24 fix for the mean while. Just one huge step after another, I love it. Boomer twist? Caught me off guard.
And them getting through the tomb ALREADY? I thought they'd drag that out the whole damn year. Remeber last year on Caprica? They spent an entire season moving 10ft. S2 BSG is what I like. Hopefully more to come.
As for SG-1, not a huge fan of earth based/Trust episodes. Though this wasn't bad. Not happy about the simplicity of the "building bomb" fix, but the TEal'c speech was quite good.
Atlantis was also good. Wraith girl was a little weird, but it worked for me. I also like the Father and the son being the same age through her life sucking, not a huge and imaginative twist... but neat.
On a general note... I really tried to avoid the previews this week. I'm sick of being spoiled. In SG-1 they ruined the SECOND TO LAST plot twist of the damn show about the bomb being the building. It wasn't a huge spoiler, but damn, why did they put that in there? Also, the wraith girl in Atlantis. It was so unsuspensful because I knew it was the damn girl the whole time hugging her "daddy" during that opening chase. BSG spoilage was also bad.. but was redeemed when they re-twisted the plot twist back in our faces.
And them getting through the tomb ALREADY? I thought they'd drag that out the whole damn year. Remeber last year on Caprica? They spent an entire season moving 10ft. S2 BSG is what I like. Hopefully more to come.
As for SG-1, not a huge fan of earth based/Trust episodes. Though this wasn't bad. Not happy about the simplicity of the "building bomb" fix, but the TEal'c speech was quite good.
Atlantis was also good. Wraith girl was a little weird, but it worked for me. I also like the Father and the son being the same age through her life sucking, not a huge and imaginative twist... but neat.
On a general note... I really tried to avoid the previews this week. I'm sick of being spoiled. In SG-1 they ruined the SECOND TO LAST plot twist of the damn show about the bomb being the building. It wasn't a huge spoiler, but damn, why did they put that in there? Also, the wraith girl in Atlantis. It was so unsuspensful because I knew it was the damn girl the whole time hugging her "daddy" during that opening chase. BSG spoilage was also bad.. but was redeemed when they re-twisted the plot twist back in our faces.
Teal'c said:
Yeah, its getting pretty annoying. The bad news is that we'll have to avoid the scifi channel for two weeks because scifi will have an Sg-1 marathon next friday which I'll definitely have to watch. I'm guessing I'll catch the spoilerific previews then because I'll probably forget about them.
Shogmaster
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EGADS! GODDAMN XENA IS GONNA FUCK THINGS UP ON GALATICA! "AYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYA~" *does the battle flip*
JoshuaJSlone
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I enjoyed seeing Baal around, and especially the guy in his cubicle being confronted by Jaffa. "Where is the false god Baal!?" :lol However, their "gas explosion" excuse for transporting away an entire building... well, that sets a new level for how gullible the public is willing to be in this show.Teal'c said:
And the Baal clones. I understand it would be useful to have a few that look the same for decoy purposes, but wouldn't it really be more effective to have the symbiotes in other bodies to just be undetected?Agreed. Some of the happenings weren't the most surprising (You mean the guy living in a cave on a backwater planet didn't solve the Wraith problem? You mean the experimental retrovirus is going to do Bad Things?), but they tugged at the right places for me.
For the commercial time they gain by cutting the Stargate intros, they go and blow several times that on previews for the shows we're going to be watching in 30 minutes. As I've said earlier in the thread, I really tend to plug my ears, look away, and make noise for a few seconds to avoid this.
BSG I've found to be less of a problem, because while there may be surprises in an episode, the overall direction of the episode is usually already understood by where the previous one left off.I approve of this pun.DopeyFish said:
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