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My Mother-In-Law asked me to help her sign up for Obamacare. I signed her up for the Death Panel option.
Sean Hannity/FOX News' ACA lies debunked
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My Mother-In-Law asked me to help her sign up for Obamacare. I signed her up for the Death Panel option.
The real crazy thing is eventually when this all calms down, they'll stop calling it Obamacare when it proves to be good overall. Then they'll start pointing out hey, a Republican in Romney did it in his state and basically the Democrats only copied. They'll push that agenda then.
RockAction
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I'll stick on fox news every so often for a laugh but i immediately turn it over when Hannity is on; something about his smugness at his own ignorance just annoys me, even glenn beck's willful stupidity and misinformation was hilarious to watch
Have had 3 women that I know of in our office sign up for ACA and save money doing it. I haven't checked for myself because I get my insurance for free at this point, but I'll probably have my wife look at it since we're currently paying in about $850 for her to cover herself and 2 kids.
the demonizing of ACA by the lunatic right just because it's a democrat/Obama based plan has reached all new levels of insanity.
the demonizing of ACA by the lunatic right just because it's a democrat/Obama based plan has reached all new levels of insanity.
it's pretty sad that people - i'm sure those profiled in the article aren't exceptions - aren't willing to make their lives easier because obamcare has been so built up as this grandiose evil. a damning indictment of a fractured, deeply divided political culture that's not just alienating people from politics but making people's day to day lives worse.
not to ignore the lies aspect, people like hannity who turn complex politics into independence day style populist entertainment aren't helping at all
not to ignore the lies aspect, people like hannity who turn complex politics into independence day style populist entertainment aren't helping at all
Exactly, when it becomes a success then it will be all like, hey this is a republican plan and romney started it in massachusetts! You stupid citizens should be giving republicans the credit not democrats! I think it will be too late by then though. They already shutdown the government and threatened default over this, it's a democrat plan/obamacare now. And a whole bunch of politicians already have a no vote on the law itself. They will be put into a corner if this proves to be successful.
WonkyPanda
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Considering the lack of proper education in this Country, that's not a bad call.
They already hide behind the news personalities. They've come out and said shows like Hannity are entertainment shows and not factual news shows. They use that hidden distinction to say whatever lies they want.
I've heard that the same company developed some of the state exchange sites which are getting quite favorable reviews. As with most things, different conditions will yield different results.
Jive Turkey
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Winning a war against the Anti-Christ takes a few sacrifices. Besides they're only poor people. Who gives a fuck about them?
SlipperySlope
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Hmm...
For me (not including wife)
$267 per month. I'm currently on an HSA with a HDHP plan, paying $45 a month and contributing $200/month into the HSA which is building up.
... no thanks.
Half and half
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It's incredibly irresponsible for people to spread lies that can harm others.
Disgusting behavior.
Disgusting behavior.
So will a difference in numbers. The state sites are supporting one state's population each. The federal site is supporting twenty-six state populations. I can't imagine why they're having different outcomes.
It's the difference between GAF linking to Reddit and Reddit linking to GAF.
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Makes sense for you to not choose this option. But I can assure you that the majority of Americans don't have this..
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So don't switch? Problem solved!
David Incorporated Esq.
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Yep. A reporter did a story that looked bad for Monsanto, Monsanto called Roger Ailes of Fox News and Fox News forced the reporter to modify the story to put it in a better light for Monsanto. She was fired and sued as a whistleblower because they were forcing her to report distorted information. She won at first, but Fox News appealed and the appellate court said "Yeah, she didn't have a case because the FCC policy against falsification really isn't a law, just a policy, and broadcasters can agree to follow it or not."
One that comes to mind is that Obamacare doesn't actually make healthcare prices cheaper. The government helps you pay for your healthcare through subsidies on top of a reduced cost you pay.
Personally I believe this will just make healthcare prices more expensive in the long run so it's sort of a bandage on a clusterfuck of a problem in this country. Just look at the relation between college tuition and college loans in this country. Although we won't know for sure until some time passes.
TheContact
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This is downright fucking disgusting. What despicable human beings. Honestly they need to be banned from America, how is this not terrorism, using fear to push your own agenda
The insurance networks are narrower. The Advance plans all have a narrowing of specialists and they have tiered hospital deductibles. There are now tier 1 and tier 2 hospitals. Tier 1 are "preferred', meaning they are usually worse hospitals and accept a lower reimbursement rate. Tier 2 hospitals have a separate deductible and tier 2 services are covered at a 60% on Gold rather than 80% in tier 1. I had a guy call me today who has a HMO Coinsurance plan which costs $510 a month w/ a $2500 deductible. If he goes with Epo Bronze his plan will be $800 a month with a $2500 deductible. He is not eligible for a subsidy and has gotten completely screwed by the new plans. The shame in all - at least with the company i work for - is the people with means have no other options other than these terrible ACA plans. They can't pay more for a traditional HMO or Direct Access plan. They are stuck with these 4 terrible plans. Obamacare is a mess.
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When more people are signed up, the less it will cost. You are aware of how insurance works, right?
reporting false stories hurt because it perpetuates misinformation spread that conflicts with real information.
I didn't really start to notice stuff like this (i didn't watch news networks at the time) until the mass effect scandal ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKzF173GqTU )
SlipperySlope
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Well then how come the non-subsidized plan is more expensive? Under your logic it should be cheaper.
Insurance is essentially a pool of money from people who opt in. I understand you would THINK that the costs would go down... but is that really a guarantee that the costs will go down?
For all I know the insurance companies are just going to be as greedy as always and justify jumping the prices up.
But if you have an explanation as to why that will not be the case I would be glad to hear it.
CrunchyFrog
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Fucking this. Most of Fox is gutter trash regardless though, this is just par for the course.
And was originally proposed as an argument against single-payer buy Republicans in the 70's.
SlipperySlope
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Exactly. The government chose shitty contractors who charged $200 MILLION for a website that does not work. They got scammed. Anybody who actually cared about the money being spent would not have blown $200 million before realizing that shit doesn't work. The government did zero oversight of the project.
The government very irresponsibly spent $200 million of our money and got fuck all in return.
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The law includes a provision that insurance companies have to put 80% of premiums toward coverage.
The name has probably stuck for good. No one ever calls Reaganomics by any other name.
It also doesn't help that Obama endorses the name himself.
TheContact
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...How....how are they paying more for insurance that wasn't available to them before Obamacare?...
....so I'm assuming by "very in depth, serious discussions", you meant...incorrect?
Do people still not know what the ACA actually is?
empty vessel
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If there was any negligence or noncompliance with contract terms, the government can seek a refund (or sue for one) just like anybody else.
Alright that's good to know.
TheContact
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It's really funny because there was a commentary in one of the GTA V missions about workers receiving a government contract and not worrying about it if they fucked it up because they were guaranteed to get paid
...and you know this...how exactly.
SlipperySlope
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So? Insurance companies had about an 80% payout on average before Obamacare. That provision is just enforcing what was already there. I was under Blue Shield at the time. They sent me a small refund check a while back because they came in at 79.6%. I wish I could remember the amount of the refund check, but that detail eludes me. I guess I could calculate it. .4% of my premium I'd assume. Doing some quick math it comes to $12 for the year.
SlipperySlope
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Well, I was on the CA one, and page 2 had an invalid SSL cert. They were using a self-signed cert for production.
Not to mention the lack of load testing on the federal site.
SlipperySlope
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The government doesn't care. If they cared they wouldn't have paid $200 million for the site in the first place.
Fox News is x1000 worse than it was in 2009. Its down right garbage at this point.
Increased costs are being associated with private health care providing more coverage to be ACA compliant.
Anecdotes I've read are things like a doctor having to provide plans that include maternity coverage despite every woman in the office being post-menopausal.
Personally, I don't see the preventative care coverage being worth much in terms of justification for premium increases. I'm not going to go into that too much, I've been drug through the coals any time I mention specifics from my health plan, which is roughly the equivalent of a bronze-level ACA plan.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
Website works for me. This is the first time I've tried and right now I'm looking at healthcare plans. I actually get health care through my job and it's a bit cheaper so I won't be enrolling in this but I was just curious if I could get it to work.
See:
Are the problems related to logging in or something?
See:
Are the problems related to logging in or something?
Government programming projects are a nightmare for companies. It takes even the simplest of tasks and turns it into a mountain.
http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/10/10/132221/cost-of-healthcaregov-634-million-so-far
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/10/why-us-government-it-fails-so-hard-so-often/
But overall the contract bidding shit is horrible.
ThatCrazyGuy
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Good for you. Don't sign up? Lordy lord....
Hannity is pretty scummy. With his dumb tilted clueless lost in ignorance puppy dog face.
Devolution
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Serious question what's the last national great thing Republicans did? Bush Senior with the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990, Immigration Act and Reauthorizing the Clean Air Act?
Have they done fuck all since?
Have they done fuck all since?
SlipperySlope
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Trying to defund Obamacare. I know, opinions and all...
Ignoring congress and the supreme court's decision, as well as democracy, is a great thing? As Dev asked..?
LiveFromKyoto
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Seriously. If it were a private, ad revenue driven site like say, NeoGaf it would never crash.
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