Sega Dreamcast 2

Knucklepux

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Just a conversation, but the Dreamcast was definitely ahead of its time

With it looking likely that hardware will no longer be subsidized, would Sega ever make a run at a Sega Dreamcast 2?

Give us Blue Stinger 2 you cowards!
 
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It must be the weekend.

Please stop with Sega coming back and Dreamcast 2. They were never successful and poorly managed outside of the UK. Sega success was a mirage, how many times do we need to discuss this.

OG XBOX was bascially a successor to the dreamcast.

Sega does not have the financial pockets to survive in 2001 and now as a hardware player. They would have died before 2000 without their debt being waived.

Unless you want Sega to go the way of SNK.
 
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Can you elaborate?

Edit: also the Dreamcast vibes of the original Xbox are underappreciated. Too often it's viewed as the Halo console. It had quite a bit more going for it than that.
Not him, but I believe there was a recent story of Sega's president claiming a new Sega console could be near.
 
I heard Microsoft is killing Xbox so they can buy Sega and properly release the Dreamcast 2.

Phil has been playing the long game this whole time, we've just been too blind to see it.
 
When the DC was released, there was still a massive room for technological improvements and innovation.

Nowadays how exactly it will make any difference?
 
When the DC was released, there was still a massive room for technological improvements and innovation.

Nowadays how exactly it will make any difference?
I think if they were to do it, they should go with the Wii model (the original one). Stationary console with upscaling from 720p or 1080p internal render, cheap hardware. Try to appeal to casuals, families, younger audiences. Basically exploit Nintendos current situation. Braindead Nintendo drones don't see it, but there's some weakpoints in their current strategy. Sell the new Sega console for 299 or 399, make all the Sega games exclusive. Free online.
 
It must be the weekend.

Please stop with Sega coming back and Dreamcast 2. They were never successful and poorly managed outside of the UK. Sega success was a mirage, how many times do we need to discuss this.

OG XBOX was bascially a successor to the dreamcast.

Sega does not have the financial pockets to survive in 2001 and now as a hardware player. They would have died before 2000 without their debt being waived.

Unless you want Sega to go the way of SNK.
more and more, I think Investors (riches on middle east if you say SNK) will see other viable investment in Sega. maybe not all, but slowly, this can be reality. The Investment pivoting is already moves from western to eastern.
 
I was in school and too poor to purchase a Dreamcast when it was released. But I remember one classmate had one and he brought his VMU with him to school and was playing minigames on it. That felt so amazing at the time.

Out of nostalgia, I just pre-ordered this little thing:

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I'll probably get a Dreamcast for my collection in the upcoming weeks. I usually only collect portables, but I'll make an exception.
 
A new console from Sega has no chance to be competitive against Nintendo and PlayStation (even Xbox is abandoning consoles to rely on 'PC-based' devices) and would require investments in the billions to even give a try therefore Sega won't release a current gen console ever again.
What Sega could do is to pander to some niches with "cheaper" (to produce and launch) 'console-like' products like the Sega Astro City Mini or Mega Drive Mini (release a Sega Saturn Mini you cowards!)
 
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Just a conversation, but the Dreamcast was definitely ahead of its time

With it looking likely that hardware will no longer be subsidized, would Sega ever make a run at a Sega Dreamcast 2?

Give us Blue Stinger 2 you cowards!
I keep telling ppl current gen specs dreamcast(which would be super ez to design since its mid of 2025, not hard to compete vs 2020 ps5/xsx/xss in terms of power, would decimate other consoles in terms of quality and quantity of exclusives, no questions asked.
Hell give all dreamcast games remake/remaster that look like proper current gen games and such a dreamcast would decimate easily in 2025 too.
 
What would be the benefit from a customer's perspective? Right now you can play all Sega games on pretty much the platform you want, including PC.

I love Sega (and I wish Saturn had won the gen) but less hardware locking is a benefit in my opinion.
 
What a hypothetical Dreamcast 2 could do that the Xbox and PS couldn't?

I don't even consider Sega a hitmaker today, even though some of its games are popular.

Also take into account that Dreamcast collected many third party exclusives because it was the first and the only next gen console in 1999. Once the other consoles joined the competition Dreamcast quickly lost the race.
 
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I'd defo be interested in a Dreamcast 2. All Sega need to do is have a few of their rebooted IPs ready for release day (I'm talking Crazy Taxi, Sega Rally and maybe a new Sonic, etc.,) and keep them exclusive, at least for 12 months.

I'd focus on it being an arcade game kind of console - simple but addictive gameplay, based on chasing high scores. I really, really miss high quality arcade type games on console.
 
Most would consider the original Xbox to be the true Dreamcast 2, Sega even used it in their arcade machines with the Sega Chihiro.
Some did speculate a Dreamcast-mini was on the horizon when the PlayStation Classic and the SNES-mini were announced, but that ship has long sailed. The only console Sega acknowledges is the Mega-Drive.
 
It does not seem like a good idea for Sega. The risks are many, and the paths to potential rewards are few.

They have found success as a third party. All they need is to become confused about who they really are, like Xbox.

If they REALLY wanted to hunker down, they might actually compete because both both Xbox and PS have gotten so inept. But this would entail:

1) Sega makes all new releases exclusive to support the console
2) Sega must hope this is worth losing those sales on other platforms
3) Sega must hope they sell enough consoles which in turn take third party game sales away from other systems to return the investment on all that trouble
4) Any time PS or Xbox realizes Sega is a threat, they can stop being inept
5) They still have to deal with Nintendo, who is not inept

The alternative is to launch a console without supporting it full-stop with exclusive content, basically being Xbox. But now that Xbox is doing this, they do not even bother making the console anymore, why would Sega. Without an existing user base to carry, where is the motivation? How do you grow this base to begin with?
 
I want to ask people who still are obsessed with the "Time for Dreamcast 2!!!" nonsense to turn their brain on: how do you even imagine a world where a new Sega console could work when even Microsoft with its infinite money warchest is retreating with its tail between their legs?

What kind of library you think it would have? Exclusive Sonic, Yakuza and Persona games (five milion sellers at their best at 5/10 usd sales)? Reboots of their old ips that are worth basically nothing nowadays? New series? Shenmue 4?
The Sega people beloved was the one based around arcade gameplay filosofies, and that shit was unfortunally dead and buried already in the early 2000s.
You really want the new console to be another Playstation/Xbox clone with games that would be nothing like the ones we used to like? Just because you like the brand?

But again I realize I must be talking with some of those "please MS buy Sega" retards, the dumbest motherfuckers on planet earth.
 
It's interesting that no one is saying ''Nintendo, don't make a new console'' or asking ''What difference can Nintendo offer?''
In the Xbox communities, thousands of users demand a traditional console instead of a PC with an Xbox sticker but the xbox is gone.

But when it comes to Sega, they say ''Sega is completely incapable'', ''Sega is poor'' or ''who is Shuji Utsumi hahaha?''

I see fear in you guys, you know that market conditions are not like in 1994 or 1998, they are much easier and this creates fear.
 
I'd defo be interested in a Dreamcast 2. All Sega need to do is have a few of their rebooted IPs ready for release day (I'm talking Crazy Taxi, Sega Rally and maybe a new Sonic, etc.,) and keep them exclusive, at least for 12 months.

I'd focus on it being an arcade game kind of console - simple but addictive gameplay, based on chasing high scores. I really, really miss high quality arcade type games on console.
Takashi Iizuka insists on denying it, but I don't doubt that they have a remake of Sonic Adventure on the radar.

But the question is, is there a Dreamcast 2 in development? Well, what we have is the Super Games project, already completed and ready to enter the evangelization phase. If you ask me if this is actually hardware, I would say the chances are 99%.
 
It's interesting that no one is saying ''Nintendo, don't make a new console'' or asking ''What difference can Nintendo offer?''
In the Xbox communities, thousands of users demand a traditional console instead of a PC with an Xbox sticker but the xbox is gone.

But when it comes to Sega, they say ''Sega is completely incapable'', ''Sega is poor'' or ''who is Shuji Utsumi hahaha?''

I see fear in you guys, you know that market conditions are not like in 1994 or 1998, they are much easier and this creates fear.

The only fear I have is for Sega to step in dog shit
 
The only fear I have is for Sega to step in dog shit
Exactly. Sega is finally reaching some resemblance of an attempted software reinassance after like 20 years or something, I don't want them to be destroyed while trying to compete again in a stagnating, extremely costly market that seemingly has no place for anyone besides Sony and Nintendo, and I'm sure they know that would be crazy as well. Yes, it's not the 90s anymore, exactly, and those years were the best ones to enter the market.
And I say this as a retard that would hastly buy an oem PC with a Sega stick on it.

The only scenario I can think about is one where they come up with a completely new kind of hardware/experience, kinda of what Nintendo did with the Wii at its time.
I don't know if Utsumi is actually thinking about making new hardware, but in that case I'm sure it would be some nostalgia-focused thingy again.
 
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I don't know if Utsumi is actually thinking about making new hardware, but in that case I'm sure it would be some nostalgia-focused thingy again.

They have already made several versions of the genesis mini, it'll be real news if they do anything other than that this time, not a whole new console, give me a break...
 
I think if they were to do it, they should go with the Wii model (the original one). Stationary console with upscaling from 720p or 1080p internal render, cheap hardware. Try to appeal to casuals, families, younger audiences. Basically exploit Nintendos current situation.
no way, you will never see from Sega something like wii, monochrome game boy and nintendo switch. Either they make a nextgen product and a controller superior to Dual Sense or they do nothing.
 
Dream(cast) Scenario:

Sega releases a powerful handheld console - the most powerful on the market - and does so at a competitive price point.
This "Dreamcast 2" appeals to gamers who want more traditional games. It has a focus on "AA" titles, and there's an initiative for creatives to bring weird, quirky games to the platform. SEGA becomes the home of the games of yesteryear, where new games shoot for a HD-PS2 sort of look (and there's something to said for PS2 games upscaled to high resolutions - they can look incredible, even today), using art assets that don't take hundreds of millions of dollars to create.

Because online games usually shoot for low system requirements anyway, there's plenty of room on the console for mainstream online games, too, like Fortnite (gag me with a f'ing spoon, man), so that casuals aren't left out in the cold, but also can be courted to try something with a different flavor occasionally.

No game pass nonsense. Games priced at 50 bucks across the board, sometimes even lower. SEGA puts a "classics" catalogue on the console - great old games played using emulation. You buy 'em once at a reasonable price (10-20 bucks each) and keep 'em forever. Shocking, innit? Dreamcast favorites like Blue Stinger, Shenmue, Powerstone, etc, each one tweaked to work flawlessly on the console, while being upscaled to a 800p/1080p handheld screen with good colors and maybe even 60fps when possible. Other consoles might be represented, too, depending on how well SEGA can navigate the perils of licensing agreements. All of these classics reasonably priced and purchasable, no subscription needed, right from a reputable storefront with a history steeped in nostalgia. No subscription needed, or even offered.

And because even a Steam Deck can handle modern games reasonably well, there's no reason that studios can't support this theoretical console. I mean, there's a lot of support for the Steam Deck right now, because it has a respectable install base. If it uses similar architecture, it wouldn't be terribly hard to get a lot of great PC games running in "console mode" right there on our Dreamcast 2. It's not like the old days where a port from one console to the other was a huge deal.

Persona is a console exclusive now. Because.

This'll happen. I promise.
 
Dream(cast) Scenario:

Sega releases a powerful handheld console - the most powerful on the market - and does so at a competitive price point.
This "Dreamcast 2" appeals to gamers who want more traditional games. It has a focus on "AA" titles, and there's an initiative for creatives to bring weird, quirky games to the platform. SEGA becomes the home of the games of yesteryear, where new games shoot for a HD-PS2 sort of look (and there's something to said for PS2 games upscaled to high resolutions - they can look incredible, even today), using art assets that don't take hundreds of millions of dollars to create.

Because online games usually shoot for low system requirements anyway, there's plenty of room on the console for mainstream online games, too, like Fortnite (gag me with a f'ing spoon, man), so that casuals aren't left out in the cold, but also can be courted to try something with a different flavor occasionally.

No game pass nonsense. Games priced at 50 bucks across the board, sometimes even lower. SEGA puts a "classics" catalogue on the console - great old games played using emulation. You buy 'em once at a reasonable price (10-20 bucks each) and keep 'em forever. Shocking, innit? Dreamcast favorites like Blue Stinger, Shenmue, Powerstone, etc, each one tweaked to work flawlessly on the console, while being upscaled to a 800p/1080p handheld screen with good colors and maybe even 60fps when possible. Other consoles might be represented, too, depending on how well SEGA can navigate the perils of licensing agreements. All of these classics reasonably priced and purchasable, no subscription needed, right from a reputable storefront with a history steeped in nostalgia. No subscription needed, or even offered.

And because even a Steam Deck can handle modern games reasonably well, there's no reason that studios can't support this theoretical console. I mean, there's a lot of support for the Steam Deck right now, because it has a respectable install base. If it uses similar architecture, it wouldn't be terribly hard to get a lot of great PC games running in "console mode" right there on our Dreamcast 2. It's not like the old days where a port from one console to the other was a huge deal.

Persona is a console exclusive now. Because.

This'll happen. I promise.
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I mean, there's a lot of support for the Steam Deck right now, because it has a respectable install base. If it uses similar architecture, it wouldn't be terribly hard to get a lot of great PC games running in "console mode" right there on our Dreamcast 2.

I can't tell whether you are serious or this is part of the joke
 
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