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Sega Genesis/MegaDrive Appreciation Thread: Alien Storm > Golden Axe
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Drakon? Lol.
I dunno, Predator 2 is starting to climb, and Robocop vs Terminator actually seems to be in the low 20s now? At any rate I think i'm going to go back to just going after carts only, and if I see a really good price complete, then i'll roll with that.
SeventhSon
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There's some price creep on good games, but nothing like the insanity of SNES... yet.
The fact that they even played another Genesis game at all surprised the hell out of me after that. I was actually starting to get optimistic that they might play some other Genesis games when I saw Decap Attack pop up. But then they started to go into the dismissive attitudes about the system again and dashed my hopes.
I personally don't care too much about the prices. I'd rather the system got the respect it deserves, honestly.
SeventhSon
Member
Aren't you the one who bought "instant collections" for several consoles over the past year? Price may be meaningless for you, but for us plebes it's an important consideration.
Fits the profile. Haha! Sync issues, melted plastic, etc. I hope its common knowlege here on GAF that a modder by the handle Drakon should be avoided at all cost.
Anyway we don't know what's going on inside this genesis yet, but it sounds pretty abnormal so far.
Edit: Actually, its common for model 1s to use a melted plastic joint method to hold together certain parts of the upper case. The volume slidder is the most obvious thing. I just remebered this detail for some reason. But yeah, every model 1 I've popped open has this kind melted plastic joint method. So it does actually sound normal to me for the top shell.
True enough. I'm sure there are people who hate me for having the disposable income to do the crazy thing that I did.
But having a nice collection loses some meaning if there's not a strong community around the thing you are collecting. I participate in this thread because I love talking with other Sega fans about the console. Is it so wrong to wish that the Sega community should be stronger than it currently is?
SeventhSon
Member
The community is plenty strong.
What I'm talking about is the "collector market" spawned by interest from instant collectors. Instant collectors accelerate price inflation and attract resellers, so what you did made things worse for others. We don't need more of that in the Genesis community, it's already destroyed the SNES community, and even the 'unpopular in its time' TG-16 community.
What I'm talking about is the "collector market" spawned by interest from instant collectors. Instant collectors accelerate price inflation and attract resellers, so what you did made things worse for others. We don't need more of that in the Genesis community, it's already destroyed the SNES community, and even the 'unpopular in its time' TG-16 community.
That attitude is so shitty. Nobody talks like that about other products. Nobody gets on people's cases about contributing to rising gas prices because they don't drive the most fuel efficient vehicle or whatever.
High prices for SNES carts haven't "killed" the retro community for SNES games. It's plenty healthy. If anything, the high prices are symptomatic of a community that's better than ever. The kind of attitude that kills a community is the one that shuts out people for just wanting to buy games and collect them. If it wasn't me increasing the demand for Genesis carts, it would have been you.
High prices for SNES carts haven't "killed" the retro community for SNES games. It's plenty healthy. If anything, the high prices are symptomatic of a community that's better than ever. The kind of attitude that kills a community is the one that shuts out people for just wanting to buy games and collect them. If it wasn't me increasing the demand for Genesis carts, it would have been you.
Here's a picture of that sweet melted plastic. Sounds pretty universal for these units. Again, this is my Taiwan made system; the Japanese one is a bit cleaner, though still melted.
So this is interesting. It looks like my older Genesis, the one in that image, DOES work... it's a pre TMSS model. Maybe it just didn't like the unofficial power supply I was trying it with before? Dunno. However, the audio is borked. Very metallic and echoey. Bad caps?
Here's the board:
Both models exhibit the horizontal sync issue, though. I'm wondering if it's the RGB21 cable I'm using? The XRGB Mini clearly doesn't like something going on in there. My other unit is a Japanese made V6 with TMSS; it sounds fantastic.
So this is interesting. It looks like my older Genesis, the one in that image, DOES work... it's a pre TMSS model. Maybe it just didn't like the unofficial power supply I was trying it with before? Dunno. However, the audio is borked. Very metallic and echoey. Bad caps?
Here's the board:
Both models exhibit the horizontal sync issue, though. I'm wondering if it's the RGB21 cable I'm using? The XRGB Mini clearly doesn't like something going on in there. My other unit is a Japanese made V6 with TMSS; it sounds fantastic.
I don't know, the FM-Towns versions were pretty good (not that they'd be easy to obtain for western gamers!
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
I don't think anybody deserves any blame for the state of affairs, but I do think it's an unfortunate situation and not necessarily healthy. I'd love to get in on the SNES but when I think about the investment I'd have to put into it in order to get what I want out of it I can't help but feel as if that boat has sailed.
I'm just grateful that I've checked off most of the boxes I wanted to for the Genesis before things got too stupid.
As somebody who grew up an SNES kid but didn't pick sides in the "console war", and who now has a Genesis library to rival my childhood SNES library, it's short-sighted, even downright ignorant, to be so negative about the Genesis library. Even if one is not personally a fan of the Sonic titles (I'm not), there's still plenty of fantastic and unique games from Sega themselves, and that's not even getting into all the amazing third party games for the system by Capcom, Konami, Namco, Compile, Treasure, etc.
IrishNinja
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shame to hear that about Egoraptor, like the dude otherwise but that bias is, again, tragically all too common.
just started listening to the audiobook for Console Wars, already digging the Kalinske stories! that man was amazing.
speaking of Genesis want lists, mine's not too bad i think:
X-Men 2: Clone Wars
Predator 2
Alex Kidd in Enchanted Castle
Micro Machines
Burning Force
Golden Axe
Insector X
Granada
Steel Empire
Strider Returns (...)
Whip Rush
Garfield: Caught in the Act
Altered Beast (...)
seriously, outside X-Men 2 most of those can easily be had for $20 or less CIB, so i'm not too worried. the real bitch is gonna be finding Revenge of Shinobi 1st edition, and Moonwalker 1.01 one day. thankfully, i feel largely immune to the bubble here.
just started listening to the audiobook for Console Wars, already digging the Kalinske stories! that man was amazing.
speaking of Genesis want lists, mine's not too bad i think:
X-Men 2: Clone Wars
Predator 2
Alex Kidd in Enchanted Castle
Micro Machines
Burning Force
Golden Axe
Insector X
Granada
Steel Empire
Strider Returns (...)
Whip Rush
Garfield: Caught in the Act
Altered Beast (...)
seriously, outside X-Men 2 most of those can easily be had for $20 or less CIB, so i'm not too worried. the real bitch is gonna be finding Revenge of Shinobi 1st edition, and Moonwalker 1.01 one day. thankfully, i feel largely immune to the bubble here.
Here's a picture of that sweet melted plastic. Sounds pretty universal for these units. Again, this is my Taiwan made system; the Japanese one is a bit cleaner, though still melted.
So this is interesting. It looks like my older Genesis, the one in that image, DOES work... it's a pre TMSS model. Maybe it just didn't like the unofficial power supply I was trying it with before? Dunno. However, the audio is borked. Very metallic and echoey. Bad caps?
Here's the board:
Both models exhibit the horizontal sync issue, though. I'm wondering if it's the RGB21 cable I'm using? The XRGB Mini clearly doesn't like something going on in there. My other unit is a Japanese made V6 with TMSS; it sounds fantastic.
As I stated in my edit, melted plastic joints are normal. I think your description of "completely sealed" just threw me. I have no experience with JP21 setups and I'm no expert at identifying bad circuitry. A modder might be able to help you out.
If you can get that non-tmss board sorted then you'd join me and Ninja in the non-tmss master race.
Sorry i'm no help at all.
Edit: Damn son, a VA2 board! That would make this a pretty old genny. Its possible some caps have dried up.
IrishNinja
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If you can get that non-tmss board sorted then you'd join me and Ninja in the non-tmss master race.
*bro-fist* still owe you one for bringing back that childhood dream, m'man. every time i go boot up Rolling Thunder 2 i think "that televators is a great person."
As I stated in my edit, melted plastic joints are normal. I think your description of "completely sealed" just threw me. I have no experience with JP21 setups and I'm no expert at identifying bad circuitry. A modder might be able to help you out.
If you can get that non-tmss board sorted then you'd join me and Ninja in the non-tmss master race.
Sorry i'm no help at all.
Edit: Damn son, a VA2 board! That would make this a pretty old genny. Its possible some caps have dried up.
I think the VA2 was the first USA model? Definitely quite early. I'll probably get a cap kit for this one and see if I can fix it up; nice little project.
I do wish I knew what was up with the H-Sync though. So strange. It's got to be my cable or some XRGB setting; clearly the issue is not in the systems.
EDIT: Huh. I'm reading that the VA2 seems to have sound issues that could match what I'm hearing out of the headphone jack. The volume has to be completely cranked to work properly, or something like that? I'll mess with it tonight, I guess.
I'm still thinking I might get rid of both of my Model 1 Genesis systems for a late Model 2. I don't know if anyone's interested in that kind of trade, but it's on the table.
Gunstarheroes
Member
So, everyone shits on Wild Woody, and rightfully so. The game had some cool ideas, but it just doesn't control well, and it takes most of the fun the game could have been, out of it. Mind you, its also very much a product of its time with all that 'Tude.
What i have come to claim though, is that buried among that shit, is an awesome soundtrack. The first stage of the game does it no justice, the soundtrack for this game is so much better then everything else that has to do with the game.
OST: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDEp-8aPGeY&list=PL5B329F4BC128D4E9
Its certainly not perfect, but it has some excellent tracks on it, and even the bad tracks have this "So bad its good" quality to me. Sad its tied to one of Sega's weakest games.
What i have come to claim though, is that buried among that shit, is an awesome soundtrack. The first stage of the game does it no justice, the soundtrack for this game is so much better then everything else that has to do with the game.
OST: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDEp-8aPGeY&list=PL5B329F4BC128D4E9
Its certainly not perfect, but it has some excellent tracks on it, and even the bad tracks have this "So bad its good" quality to me. Sad its tied to one of Sega's weakest games.
Where do you live? I may be up for it. I got a few bare Model 2s I'm not using.
NYC, good sir! PM me if you'd like photos etc.
Shadow Hog
Member
I dunno, for some reason it just makes me think of the Extreme Paintbrawl "soundtrack". It's better than that, but it's what it makes me think of.
A Black Falcon
Member
I know some people do dislike Wild Woody, but they're wrong! It's a fun game. I wish it wasn't so ridiculously overpriced...
Shadow Hog
Member
I thought it was a few bucks at most.
Holy shit, it starts at $20. What is wrong with people?
Holy shit, it starts at $20. What is wrong with people?
SeventhSon
Member
Let's spread the word about Sega so even bad games are expensive!
Shadow Hog
Member
I'm guessing it's just because Sega CD games as a whole are bubbling like SNES and Saturn games are. The Genesis hasn't been hit with this bubble to nearly the same extent, but those consoles, hooooo boy.
Yeah i think im gonna try to go ahead and get the CD games I want asap.
Sonic CD
Android Assault
Robo Aleste
Silpheed
Lunar 1
Lunar 2
Final Fight CD
Vay
Dungeon Explorer
Keio Flying Squadron
Popful Mail
The Terminator
Already knocked Sonic CD, Lunar 1, and Final Fight off the list. I kinda want Panic for the hell of it. Ever since Gunstar reviewed it, i've been curious.
PM'd
Gunstarheroes
Member
I've always been shocked how cheap Panic is. Terminator and Dungeon Explorer ive seen sneak under the radar and go for cheap prices, even Lunar 1 and Vay can. Just jeep your eyes on auctions if you see any of then go up.
Ive been very lucky with Sega CD, but i still have some of the Cardboard games (Time Gal and Road Avenger specifically) staring me down, as well as Keio and Space Adventure Cobra. Almost at 100 games though, so im getting there.
Lastly, everyone should have Lords Of Thunder in their collection
Shadow Hog
Member
Personally, I've already got Final Fight CD (disk only), Flink and Snatcher, so I'd like to move on to Shining Force CD, Popful Mail and Earthworm Jim Special Edition at some point.
A Black Falcon
Member
It's a somewhat uncommon game because it was a late release (1995) and not many people bought it. So, it still has some value.
It's not a bad game though!
I've already got Lords on PC engine. I was sooo close to getting Vay for like 30 bucks...twice, but no dice. I know Sonic CD can be had for cheap/the definitive version, but i'd just like to have a physical copy to play with a genesis controller (and i've already got it on my 360, Steam, and on my phone...so why not lol).
Yeah the Final Fight I ordered was disc only. Im not really bothered by complete, but if its there for a good price, i'll bite. Earthworm Jim i'd like to get, but i'm in no rush for that.
Sol Deace i'm leaving alone since i've got the cart, and imo the music sounds better there. I think I want Flashback but i'm not sure.
Gunstarheroes
Member
Look, lets not kid ourselves here man. I can see where the game COULD be fun, but the controls are so busted dude. Then again, i'll defend Wirehead to my last breath, so maybe i shouldn't talk.
sixteen-bit
Member
if you don't have a PC Engine CD / TGCD and enjoy shooters, Lords of Thunder is another must-buy.
Pricey tho :/
Wirehead is a great game to watch somebody else play.
IrishNinja
Member
wait, sega-CD is coming up next? fuck, should've expected that but i really thought no one else gave a shit about that format, damn.
yeah, of those im missing Final Fight & Popful, the latter will have to wait for a while anyway. Robo Aleste & Heart of the Alien i'm hoping for a deal on one day!
haha this is also true
Oh, weird I had no idea there was a cart version of Sol Feace. Looks like the intro got totally butchered though.
Gunstarheroes
Member
Exactly. If every FMV games was as batshit as Wirehead was, maybe they would have gotten a bit more love.
Fun story, the day i got my copy of that game recently, i went to see "Bad Words" with some friends, and Wirehead ends up being one of the judges in the spelling bee, and i accidentally said out loud "OH SHIT WIREHEAD IS BACK" in the middle of a semi-crowded theater and felt like a dick the entire rest of the time.
Anyone enjoy Predator 2 on the Genesis? It's one of those licensed games that gets shit on but I actually think it's pretty good. It's fairly accurate to the film and it plays like a pretty decent Smash TV clone. It's easily the best solo Predator game... Not that that's saying a helluva lot.
Gunstarheroes
Member
I've actually mentioned it once or twice in this very thread, but yeah, for being a licensed game, its pretty mindless, but its fun.
Yeah its called Sol Deace.
Good sir, I can assure you that you DEFINITELY want Flashback - The Megadrive version is ace. I'm quite tempted by Sol Deace myself, but because it was never released in Europe the prices can be a bit silly. Someone in Germany wants £120 for it (about $180.) It's a shame - I loved the CD version.
Thinking about price, I think the best solution would be for reproduction carts to be legitimised by introduction of a royalty system. This would seem to be a win for everyone: Those of us who just want to play the games could pick them up for a more reasonable price, the original publishers would receive an extra revenue stream without having to invest in production runs and collectors would only have to compete with other collectors, removing some of the heat from that market too.
IrishNinja
Member
wow, always just thought Sol Feace was a neat Sega-CD pack in! i gotta put that one back on my list as well.
Bar81
Member
If you're still looking, lmk.
IrishNinja
Member
Bar81
Member
That'll get you supervised visitation rights.
MikeHattsu
Member
Haha
sixteen-bit
Member
I always thought they changed the name to Sol Deace to allay the feces comparison in the west. Like how Soul Blader got changed to Soul Blazer :lol
