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Sega Genesis/MegaDrive Appreciation Thread: Alien Storm > Golden Axe
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IrishNinja
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FALSE - MUSHA is one of compile's top 3 SHMUPs, and is totally awesome
the price is stupid high, though
the price is stupid high, though
It's not like Compile is a shmup powerhouse
It's interesting but far from the best MD shmups
Its price is prety stupid (won't complain, bought mine cib in France for 5$ 15 years ago)
IrishNinja
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see, in the day, i think they kinda were:
Zanac
Gun-Nac
Blazing Lazers
Guardian Legend
Power Strike 1/2
Robo Aleste
etc - that's a pretty strong resume, SHMUP-wise. i know Genesis is an absolute beast for the genre, but i would expect to see MUSHA on a top 10, if not top 5 for the system, personally. also congrats on that awesome price!
Zanac
Gun-Nac
Blazing Lazers
Guardian Legend
Power Strike 1/2
Robo Aleste
etc - that's a pretty strong resume, SHMUP-wise. i know Genesis is an absolute beast for the genre, but i would expect to see MUSHA on a top 10, if not top 5 for the system, personally. also congrats on that awesome price!
Oh man... That's like saying Treasure is not an action game powerhouse.
http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/aleste/compile.htm
Outside of the first Spriggan they're average for the most part.
I have most of their Pal games (except powerstrike 2) and both Spriggan games and while I play Musha from time to time, I's rather play Tetsujin when I have a vertical shmup craving for MD
sixteen-bit
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Treasure misses way more often than they hit.
Polioliolio
Member
A boy can dream, can't he?
Actually, I have reason to believe there's a special treasure in there.
I went ahead with the offer and will post the haul here tomorrow night. Even if there's nothing, I could use the extra controllers and any decent games for myself/trades, keep some bad games for future repro carts, and maybe just sell off the rest honestly to anyone who wants it, for cheap.
IrishNinja
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but many of those hits are undeniable classics
SeventhSon
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and Space Megaforce (Super Aleste)
Well heres hoping for the best. Always a 50/50 chance.
Bar81
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Whatever you're on, please have a health care professional on standby because it's some strong shit.
Ok, maybe it's because I'm thinking of their American releases over all 8 and 16-bit consoles. To me all their games are well balanced, immensely playable, and very well programmed. I can't remember any of their games suffering from slowdown or flickering. I have to say I'm not a SHMUP fan, but I can play Compile games for a long time without feeling bored or frustrated. It's not the case with any other average or difficult shoot'em up, for me.
The article I linked seemed to agree with me so I can't be that crazy
I've never been fond of Compile's shmup designs, so what? It's not like I discovered them yesterday, I've been playing Compile shmups since the SMS.
I prefer Taoplan/Seibu/Hudson Soft (prety much every single vertical PCE shmup)/Raizzing as far as vertical shmups go. Musha's fine, but neither great nor very memorable. It's prety though for a Megadrive game.
Also Space Megaforce (Super Aleste) is terrible. I just couldn't get into it (first with the Pal version, which was way too slow, then with the US version).
Oh don't get me wrong, they're fine games. Neither challenging nor overly long. Just not very memorable nor very interesting from a design pov.Ok, maybe it's because I'm thinking of their American releases over all 8 and 16-bit consoles. To me all their games are well balanced, immensely playable, and very well programmed. I can't remember any of their games suffering from slowdown or flickering. I have to say I'm not a SHMUP fan, but I can play Compile games for a long time without feeling bored or frustrated. It's not the case with any other average or difficult shoot'em up, for me.
The article I linked seemed to agree with me so I can't be that crazy
Gynoug (wings of Wor), TF games, Air Buster, Tatsujin, Grind Stormer, Hellfire, Saigaia, etc... The Megadrive has a very very rich library of very good shmups!
Ok, Light Crusader is not that good but apart from that?
Gunstarheroes
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Oh, you and i, we are never going to see eye and eye. At best, they sometime make 6-7 out of 10 games. Spooky (Advanced Guardian Heroes and Stretch Panic notwithstanding)
They're all over the spectrum. I'd say that their great games are Ikaruga, Gradius V, and Alien Soldier. They've made a good number of good games (the Sin & Punishment games and Radiant Silvergun), a lot of games that are just okay (Gunstar Heroes, Silhouette Mirage), and some bad ones (Light Crusader, Astro Boy).
I've never been fond of Compile's shmup designs, so what? It's not like I discovered them yesterday, I've been playing Compile shmups since the SMS.
I prefer Taoplan/Seibu/Hudson Soft (prety much every single vertical PCE shmup)/Raizzing as far as vertical shmups go. Musha's fine, but neither great nor very memorable. It's prety though for a Megadrive game.
Also Space Megaforce (Super Aleste) is terrible. I just couldn't get into it (first with the Pal version, which was way too slow, then with the US version).
Oh don't get me wrong, they're fine games. Neither challenging nor overly long. Just not very memorable nor very interesting from a design pov.
Gynoug (wings of Wor), TF games, Air Buster, Tatsujin, Grind Stormer, Hellfire, Saigaia, etc... The Megadrive has a very very rich library of very good shmups!
Granted they don't have Wow! moments like others in the genre and are probably to easy for a shmup fan. I loved the developer though and actively sought anything I could find by them, were as I would skip yet another Darius.
Since this is a Genesis thread, I was mostly focusing on those. Gunstar Heroes is certainly not an average a Genesis game. What makes you say that?
IrishNinja
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Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
I actually enjoyed Light Crusader for the most part because I came into it expecting "the worst thing ever" but got something that seemed at least passable.
Astro Boy, though... That game is the poster child for underwhelming and overrated GBA games. Talk about a game that's less than the sum of its parts. All sorts of fun powers and Tezuka homages bogged down by bad grinding/leveling and some of the most bland level and combat design on the planet.
Astro Boy, though... That game is the poster child for underwhelming and overrated GBA games. Talk about a game that's less than the sum of its parts. All sorts of fun powers and Tezuka homages bogged down by bad grinding/leveling and some of the most bland level and combat design on the planet.
I need some of that strong shit you are smoking.
sixteen-bit
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Lol, I'm with Tain. Gunstar Heroes is a 6/10 game, y'all.
I'm not even mad.
I just... feel bad for you.
Like, how sad must your life be, that you can't appreciate how fuckballs-amazing Gunstar Heroes actually is?
It must be hard.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
I feel like some of our more discerning action game aficionados just have a need to make their amusingly high standards and breadth of experience known to the unwashed masses or something.
Alien Soldier and Contra are more... dense, I guess. More challenging, more demanding, less downtime between the high points, more engaging if you're looking for a Serious Business experience. But I feel like Gunstar's constant barrage of cannon fodder makes for much better and manic co-op, which counts for an awful lot. And everything that comes between those waves of cannon fodder is solid and has some good variety.
Alien Soldier and Contra are more... dense, I guess. More challenging, more demanding, less downtime between the high points, more engaging if you're looking for a Serious Business experience. But I feel like Gunstar's constant barrage of cannon fodder makes for much better and manic co-op, which counts for an awful lot. And everything that comes between those waves of cannon fodder is solid and has some good variety.
lol, I'm really not trying to be a jerk about it!
Gunstar's constant barrage of cannon fodder and big piles of health probably make for better co-op than something like Hard Corps, and I haven't tried Gunstar co-op since I was much, much younger. When I play it solo, though, I can't help but want those non-boss segments to be over with. They really kill it for me. I mean, they aren't as bad as something like Astro Boy, and the boss fights are really well-done, so I can't consider it a bad game, but they bring it down enough for me to call the game "okay" overall despite its strengths being really strong.
Gunstar's constant barrage of cannon fodder and big piles of health probably make for better co-op than something like Hard Corps, and I haven't tried Gunstar co-op since I was much, much younger. When I play it solo, though, I can't help but want those non-boss segments to be over with. They really kill it for me. I mean, they aren't as bad as something like Astro Boy, and the boss fights are really well-done, so I can't consider it a bad game, but they bring it down enough for me to call the game "okay" overall despite its strengths being really strong.
I agree, Gunstar gets way more love than it deserves. Even back in the heyday of the Genesis it didn't do much for me. Nowadays? Even less. Very overrated. Heck, I don't get the love fest for Treasure to start with...
MUSHA on the other hand is one of my top favorite SHMUPS of all time...that said I had no problem recently selling my copy of it for its 'stupid going price' of late. Heh
MUSHA on the other hand is one of my top favorite SHMUPS of all time...that said I had no problem recently selling my copy of it for its 'stupid going price' of late. Heh
Thanks for weighing in guys. It's really interesting to see different points of view on Treasure and Compile. I thought they where pretty much universally accepted as really good developers with great libraries.
Great game!
Great game!
Fox Mulder
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I'd like to play it someday, but the most likely route is Wii VC since it's so stupid expensive.
I like most of Treasure's work. They were my favorite studio until Clover/Platinum.
Gunstar Heroes is one of my favorite games. I love how it changes as you get better and up the difficulty. The mine cart level is fantastic and Seven Force is like best boss of all time material.
I also really like Dynamite Headdy and Alien Soldier and think that Treasure Land Adventure and Light Crusader are good but not great.
If we're going outside the scope of this thread, the version of Silhouette Mirage that wasn't ruined by WD is another of my favorite games of all time. I'm not the biggest Guardian Heroes fan but I still really like it. Radiant Silvergun is impressive as hell, even if I'm not a big fan of the leveling system.
If you want Treasure at their weakest look at the tech demos they sold pretending they were games like Hippo Linda/Stretch Panic and Tiny Toons: Bad Dreams/Buster's Nightmare (the prototype to Astro Boy which I love, so F U to the haters basically).
edit: yeah, loved all 3 of their N64 entries but Sin and Punishment is in a class of its own. Playing it is like rubbing your belly and patting your head, but once you get it down it's fantastic.
Gunstar Heroes is one of my favorite games. I love how it changes as you get better and up the difficulty. The mine cart level is fantastic and Seven Force is like best boss of all time material.
I also really like Dynamite Headdy and Alien Soldier and think that Treasure Land Adventure and Light Crusader are good but not great.
If we're going outside the scope of this thread, the version of Silhouette Mirage that wasn't ruined by WD is another of my favorite games of all time. I'm not the biggest Guardian Heroes fan but I still really like it. Radiant Silvergun is impressive as hell, even if I'm not a big fan of the leveling system.
If you want Treasure at their weakest look at the tech demos they sold pretending they were games like Hippo Linda/Stretch Panic and Tiny Toons: Bad Dreams/Buster's Nightmare (the prototype to Astro Boy which I love, so F U to the haters basically).
edit: yeah, loved all 3 of their N64 entries but Sin and Punishment is in a class of its own. Playing it is like rubbing your belly and patting your head, but once you get it down it's fantastic.
IrishNinja
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Gunstar Heroes
Sin & Punishment 1/2
Guardian Heroes
Ikaruga
Alien Soldier
Gradius V
Bangai-O, Radiant Silvergun, Mischief Makers, Dynamite Headdy, McDonald etc aren't for everyone, but for a small group of ex-Konami people this is an excellent resume right here.
my man 16-bit can't be saved, but more of ya'll need to hear the message.
Gunstarheroes
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Today is a dark day for me, seeing a Genesis thread that doesn't love one of the best devs that made games for the old boy.
I can admit stuff like Treasure Land isn't for everyone, Light Crusaders is pretty eh (its always been my personal least favorite), but Dynamite Headdy, Alien Soldier, Yu Yu Hakusho, and of course Gunstar Heroes? All classics, every damn one of them. (Yu Yu mostly just for being ambitious for the time, it doesn't hold up super well, but that has even more bias for me because i love the anime).
Then again, i don't get the love for shmups, even the Treasure ones. I will say, the best Shmup i have played for Genesis so far is Gairies. That game was just a blast to play from start to finish.
I can admit stuff like Treasure Land isn't for everyone, Light Crusaders is pretty eh (its always been my personal least favorite), but Dynamite Headdy, Alien Soldier, Yu Yu Hakusho, and of course Gunstar Heroes? All classics, every damn one of them. (Yu Yu mostly just for being ambitious for the time, it doesn't hold up super well, but that has even more bias for me because i love the anime).
Then again, i don't get the love for shmups, even the Treasure ones. I will say, the best Shmup i have played for Genesis so far is Gairies. That game was just a blast to play from start to finish.
Gunstar Heroes
Sin & Punishment 1/2
Guardian Heroes
Ikaruga
Alien Soldier
Gradius V
Bangai-O, Radiant Silvergun, Mischief Makers, Dynamite Headdy, McDonald etc aren't for everyone, but for a small group of ex-Konami people this is an excellent resume right here.
my man 16-bit can't be saved, but more of ya'll need to hear the message.
I think all the games you mentioned here are amazing, so count me in the already saved group!
You can just backswap the cart with a lame sports game.
Open it and put it into another cartridge? I actually have a copy of Superman 64 that might be useful for this
sixteen-bit
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Open it and put it into another cartridge? I actually have a copy of Superman 64 that might be useful for this
yep.
alternatively you could just melt off the plastic sticking out in the cartridge bay, but that isn't so clean looking
Open it and put it into another cartridge? I actually have a copy of Superman 64 that might be useful for this
Just the back piece. That's the only part you need to swap. You can keep the front.
sixteen-bit
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What's the best Shining Force on Genesis?