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hi guyyysss

when I come home for thanksgiving i'm picking up my wii, i got a big fat SD card and i am planning on spending $50-$60 on Wii Virtual Console. I am planning on picking up lots of genesis games and I'm interested in your input.

here's what i already have on Wii VC

• Gleylancer
• Sonic 1
• Pulseman
• MUSHA

already have MWIV, streets of rage 1-3, toejam&earl 1&2 and revenge of shinobi via M2's amazing SVC games

here's what I'm considering

• Phantasy Star
• Phantasy Star II
• Phantasy Star IV
• Shining Force
• Shining Force II
• Sonic 3
• Sonic & Knuckles

Anything I should seriously consider? here's a list of VC games

also, how is Sword of Vermilion?

Hi! It may be worth noting that Sonic & Knuckles features emulated cartridge lock-on, based appropriately enough on what other Genesis Sonic Virtual Console games you have installed at the time. I know that not all current-ish-day platforms have the full, locked-on Sonic 3 & Knuckles accessible in their Sonic/Genesis releases and collections, so that may suggest buying Sonic 3 and S&K to you if that sounds up your alley.

I haven't played the PS series more than a few minutes apiece, but I understand that PSIV is amazing and one of the largest Genesis games ever released, and that PSIII is a bit maligned for its deviation from the rest of the series into a medieval setting. I have more of a soft spot for Shining Force 1 than 2 myself (my instinct is to say that it may be the best RPG on the console), but that's probably mostly because I haven't played much of 2 yet and what I have seemed frustrating, but a lot of people seem to like that one better.

Sword of Vermillion is rad but dated, dated but rad. I believe that it was Yu Suzuki's first console-exclusive game, it has a killer soundtrack, and it's kind of a mishmash of different late '80s RPG subgenres, with the world map and dungeons being a first-person dungeon crawler, the world map random battles being Zelda-style bird's eye action RPG sequences, the boss battles switching to side-scrolling action RPG, and if I'm remembering correctly, I think there may be some turn-based battles somewhere in there as well? The world of the game is kind of dark and cynical, and it feels old, but it still feels pretty good?

If you get it, leave the game on the "enter your name" screen sometime. The music keeps going up a pitch after a few seconds and never stops, and by about the 50-minute mark, ish gets weird.

 

[IrishNinja]

^that's a really solid Vermillion writeup, man! it has a dark, lonely fell to it from the outset (god, opening town theme...), but yeah, the OST is great, and i really loved how much it switches it up - towns can have vastly different sounds based on what screen you're on/etc

it was years ago when i beat it, but i'll say this oneida - you've got the net at your disposal now, but if you can find it cheap & feel like you're into the game? the hint book it was included with did me good, and had far fewer errors/spoilers than the PS II one.

 

[AmyS]

canceled Mega Drive RPG called Moon Dancer (Youseiou no Kikan).

I remember this game previewed in EGM International Outlook in 1990.

Edit: more info

I looked it up in Japanese. It was an RPG based on a serialized story that ran in Beep magazine in Japan in 1989. The magazine staff teamed up with Sega to develop the game and it seems like some progress was made on it. They hired Hitoaki Minami of Advanced Daisenryaku fame to work on it but after being heavily promoted in Beep it was eventually canceled after 6 months. Beep apparently had a website with more info on why it was canceled but the site seems lost.

Thanks to JumpingRyle on Sega-16 for the scans and info. http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?29624-Moon-Dancer

 

[Fatnick]

Anu thoughts on Thunder Fox?

I played the arcade game the other dayon my way home from work and, though put off by the abscence of both thunder and foxes, i enjoyed it - so i thought i'd fire up the megadrive game.

As Rolling Thundery type games go, it's pretty fun. It isn't too difficult and it's nice to be able to use the guns you pickup as melee weapons (who needs Halo?) its a shame they didnt try to include any of the vehicular sections though.

 

[sixteen-bit]

PAL 32x Harrier = Duke Nukem?

 

[kinn]

Wow. This looks good for MD. Think this is from the same guy who did the Starfox and Fzero demos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwW5y4rrvwk

 

[Huggers]

Had this when I was a kid and have wanted it back for ages. Finally grabbed it, for a great price too!

 

[sixteen-bit]

Had this when I was a kid and have wanted it back for ages. Finally grabbed it, for a great price too!

lol, did they photoshop out the guns?

Wow. This looks good for MD. Think this is from the same guy who did the Starfox and Fzero demos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwW5y4rrvwk

Real impressive stuff. I love hearing the superior Sonic 3D blast soundtrack in the back too.

 

[Huggers]

lol, did they photoshop out the guns?

Yep. We weren't allowed guns on the front in Europe because of Germany. Bizarre! Saying that an arse slap just got removed from Street Fighter 5 so I'm not sure how far we've come

 

[Lightning Count]

Is this the thread for discussion of the Sega Mega CD as well?

I had one years and I traded it off, I've honestly regretted it ever since, well I am about to rectify and I'm closing in on a Mega CD on ebay.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Is this the thread for discussion of the Sega Mega CD as well?

I had one years and I traded it off, I've honestly regretted it ever since, well I am about to rectify and I'm closing in on a Mega CD on ebay.

Here's a link
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1122548

 

[oneida]

Hi! It may be worth noting that Sonic & Knuckles features emulated cartridge lock-on, based appropriately enough on what other Genesis Sonic Virtual Console games you have installed at the time. I know that not all current-ish-day platforms have the full, locked-on Sonic 3 & Knuckles accessible in their Sonic/Genesis releases and collections, so that may suggest buying Sonic 3 and S&K to you if that sounds up your alley.

I haven't played the PS series more than a few minutes apiece, but I understand that PSIV is amazing and one of the largest Genesis games ever released, and that PSIII is a bit maligned for its deviation from the rest of the series into a medieval setting. I have more of a soft spot for Shining Force 1 than 2 myself (my instinct is to say that it may be the best RPG on the console), but that's probably mostly because I haven't played much of 2 yet and what I have seemed frustrating, but a lot of people seem to like that one better.

Sword of Vermillion is rad but dated, dated but rad. I believe that it was Yu Suzuki's first console-exclusive game, it has a killer soundtrack, and it's kind of a mishmash of different late '80s RPG subgenres, with the world map and dungeons being a first-person dungeon crawler, the world map random battles being Zelda-style bird's eye action RPG sequences, the boss battles switching to side-scrolling action RPG, and if I'm remembering correctly, I think there may be some turn-based battles somewhere in there as well? The world of the game is kind of dark and cynical, and it feels old, but it still feels pretty good?

If you get it, leave the game on the "enter your name" screen sometime. The music keeps going up a pitch after a few seconds and never stops, and by about the 50-minute mark, ish gets weird.

Thank you for this!

 

[lazygecko]

Let me tell you of the days of high adventure

 

[sixteen-bit]

Sounds familiar

 

[luka]

hey md-gaf: bare knuckle 3 or sailor moon?

 

[Gyrian]

hey md-gaf: bare knuckle 3 or sailor moon?

BKIII hands down. Still one of the very best in the genre, and a bit underrated thanks to 2 shining so brightly. I love the way it plays, super smooth, lots of options.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Definitely BK3. Even if you adore the license, the SM game is rather bland.

Too bad the arcade Sailor Moon beltscroller by Gazelle never got ported to anything. I'd rather play that than any of the console releases tbh.

 

[luka]

yeah i love bk3, i was mostly just wondering if sm was a decent alternative since i don't know anything about it and heard the arcade game was pretty good. thanks, bk3 it is.

 

[Timu]

hey md-gaf: bare knuckle 3 or sailor moon?

BK3.

Definitely BK3. Even if you adore the license, the SM game is rather bland.

Too bad the arcade Sailor Moon beltscroller by Gazelle never got ported to anything. I'd rather play that than any of the console releases tbh.

Yep, I loved the Sailor Moon arcade game.

 

[KDash31987]

There's a lot of hidden moves and techniques in the Sailor Moon game that always seemed to go unnoticed from what I've seen...

You've got your basic attacks (just tapping the attack button, each tap adding more hits), your grabs and throws, the basic special that takes some health, your long range projectile attack (holding the attack button), your command special moves (like Dragon Punch motions and such), your super dash jump (forward twice and jump), super dash jump attack (forward twice, jump, attack)...there's quite a bit. I might be forgetting something, but I'm not sure. I think Sailor Venus could do a downward attack with her chain while jumping.

It's a fun game. Expensive, though. I'm glad I got mine for cheap, though I had to go with cartridge-only. Supposedly, Arc System Works co-developed it.

I just wish it wasn't single-player only. It plays so much better than the Super Famicom games, which are kinda slow and not that interesting. It's hard to go back to those after playing the Mega Drive game.

 

[MikeMyers]

I would recommend the Sailor Moon game.

I'm totally not biased.

 

[entremet]

hi guyyysss

when I come home for thanksgiving i'm picking up my wii, i got a big fat SD card and i am planning on spending $50-$60 on Wii Virtual Console. I am planning on picking up lots of genesis games and I'm interested in your input.

here's what i already have on Wii VC

• Gleylancer
• Sonic 1
• Pulseman
• MUSHA

already have MWIV, streets of rage 1-3, toejam&earl 1&2 and revenge of shinobi via M2's amazing SVC games

here's what I'm considering

• Phantasy Star
• Phantasy Star II
• Phantasy Star IV
• Shining Force
• Shining Force II
• Sonic 3
• Sonic & Knuckles

Anything I should seriously consider? here's a list of VC games

also, how is Sword of Vermilion?

Gunstar Heroes! Worth it for 2 player mode on a TV. I don't if you have the excellent 3D version on 3DS, but with this one you can play it with a friend on the TV.

Also Alien Solider and Pulse Man, which are rare for US gamers, but on the VC.

 

[oneida]

Gunstar Heroes! Worth it for 2 player mode on a TV. I don't if you have the excellent 3D version on 3DS, but with this one you can play it with a friend on the TV.

Also Alien Solider and Pulse Man, which are rare for US gamers, but on the VC.

i have gunstar and pulseman, to be honest i dont really enjoy treasure games :/

 

[Tain]

i have gunstar and pulseman, to be honest i dont really enjoy treasure games :/

Have you tried Alien Soldier? I'm not a big Treasure guy but I think it's one of their 2-4 great games. Weird controls for an action-platformer, and very much a boss rush, in case either of those things puts you off.

How about Shinobi 3 and Shadow Dancer? Both good for different reasons.

 

[Teknoman]

Sounds familiar

Hey...


Wait, she wasnt just someone from Chappie? Huh.

 

[Timu]

How about Shinobi 3 and Shadow Dancer? Both good for different reasons.

Both are awesome but I prefer Revenge over them.=p BTW I still need to 1CC Shadow Dancer(like I did with Revenge and Shinobi 3), may happen in 2016 or later.

 

[Tain]

Sounds familiar

Yuzo Koshiro tweeted links to live performances of this song and seems to be loving it, lol.

Both are awesome but I prefer Revenge over them.=p BTW I still need to 1CC Shadow Dancer(like I did with Revenge and Shinobi 3), may happen in 2016 or later.

I prefer Revenge too, but yeah they're all awesome

 

[MikeMyers]

Revenge of Shinobi > *

In my top 3 Mega Drive games along with Sonic 2 and Super Hang-On.

 

[KDash31987]

I prefer Shadow Dancer and Shinobi III myself. Heh.

 

[MikeMyers]

Soundtrack in Revenge is amazing.

 

[Huggers]

I love Revenge, never beaten Spiderman though, although I'm sure he's very beatable.

I'd go Revenge>Shadow Dancer>3

When you have two Shinobi games ahead of one where you get to be a ninja surfer you know the Mega Drive has serious depth when it comes to Shinobi titles

 

[Timu]

Soundtrack in Revenge is amazing.

Dat China Town song!

 

[Teknoman]

I still cant see how people like Revenge over 3. Revenge is cool and all, but 3 is just...

so

damn

ninja.

 

[MikeMyers]

But Revenge lets you play as Sonny Chiba and fight 80s action stars, superheroes, and Godzilla while jamming to Yuzo Koshiro music.

 

[Timu]

But Revenge lets you play as Sonny Chiba and fight 80s action stars, superheroes, and Godzilla while jamming to Yuzo Koshiro music.

And that's why it wins, lol.

Plus the last 2 stages in Shinobi 3 were ridiculous!!!

 

[Tain]

I still cant see how people like Revenge over 3. Revenge is cool and all, but 3 is just...

so

damn

ninja.

I prefer 3's music over Revenge's, actually! When it comes to aesthetics alone, 3 definitely beats Revenge.

 

[AmyS]

So after ~25 years not knowing much, one of the MD's early RPGs that unfortunately never got completed, Moon Dancer, seems no longer a total mystery (see my last post).
All we had to go on in the west was a single screen shot and no real information beyond a few EGM blurbs.

More pictures -- the first says a lot.

At least there's a brief history on how the project started. Hitoaki Minami known for Advanced Daisenryaku worked on it. There are plenty of pictures now, and there's plenty of Japanese text from which to glean more information on this lost Sega RPG project.

 

[gelf]

I still cant see how people like Revenge over 3. Revenge is cool and all, but 3 is just...

so

damn

ninja.

I think Revenge has a more consistently good soundtrack but it never reaches 3's heights that you pick out there. Whirlwind could be my favorite track on the entire system.

 

[foobarry81]

Added another Konami Mega Drive game to the collection.

Not really close to a complete set yet, allthough there are a number of games we didn't get in PAL land, I think. These are the ones I got so far: Castlevania: The New Generation, HyperDunk, Rocket Knight Adventures, Sparkster, Sunset Riders, Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles: The Hyperstone Heist, Tiny Toon Adventures: ACME All-Stars, and Tiny Toon Adventures: Buster's Hidden Treasure

I know I'm still missing Zombies, that other Turtles game and the ridiculously named Probotector.

 

[Huggers]

^ Konami have an incredible Mega Drive library don't they

 

[foobarry81]

^ Konami have an incredible Mega Drive library don't they

Well, I haven't played any of the games I don't own yet. But going by the ones that I do have there seem to be few weak titles in their line-up.

 

[StevieWhite]

So after ~25 years not knowing much, one of the MD's early RPGs that unfortunately never got completed, Moon Dancer, seems no longer a total mystery (see my last post).
All we had to go on in the west was a single screen shot and no real information beyond a few EGM blurbs.

More pictures -- the first says a lot.

At least there's a brief history on how the project started. Hitoaki Minami known for Advanced Daisenryaku worked on it. There are plenty of pictures now, and there's plenty of Japanese text from which to glean more information on this lost Sega RPG project.

This is really interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing. Any info on why it got tabled?

 

[Huggers]

Well, I haven't played any of the games I don't own yet. But going by the ones that I do have there seem to be few weak titles in their line-up.

Rocket Knight Adventures, Castlevania Bloodlines, Hyperstone Heist, Zombies Ate My Neighbours and Sunset Riders are all belters imo

 

[Rydeen]

The guy in this image looks like they used Richard Dean Anderson / MacGuyver as reference for him.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

All I can see is David Bowie

 

[blast processed]

He looks like a Dennis Leary/Sting hybrid.

 

[Teknoman]

I prefer 3's music over Revenge's, actually! When it comes to aesthetics alone, 3 definitely beats Revenge.

I think Revenge has a more consistently good soundtrack but it never reaches 3's heights that you pick out there. Whirlwind could be my favorite track on the entire system.

I need to just sit down and beat the game. As much as I like it, strange that i've never beaten it.

 

[IrishNinja]

man, i wouldve been all over that RPG at the time though! cool

^ Konami have an incredible Mega Drive library don't they

really were firing on all cylinders - Hyperstone Heist is solid, Contra HC > 3, Bloodlines is the sleeper hit of the series that should get the love Drac X does, and while ZAMN & Sunset Riders lost some stuff in the ports, they're still really great games. i mean, even the Tiny Toons stuff was really enjoyable...they're garbage now, but as a classic Konami fan, i go back & forth with my love of their 16 bit and 32 eras, just so much magic happening.

 

[sixteen-bit]

RKA was so good.

Shame on IrishNinja for not mentioning

 

[AmyS]

This is really interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing. Any info on why it got tabled?

Not much.

The full Japanese title:

ムーンダンサー 妖精王の帰還 (Moon Dancer - Yousei-ou no Kika)

Based on a novel, that serialized in Beep magazine.