Hoping Sega's stance is something like, "These guys make money on their own, so we'll just let them do their own thing and make us more money."
Isn't that what they do with Relic, Creative Assembly, and Three Rings???
Hoping Sega's stance is something like, "These guys make money on their own, so we'll just let them do their own thing and make us more money."
This could be a Bayonetta 2 situation if you get what I'm saying.I'm just happy it wasn't Nintendo.
Guys, I have to reemphasize here that SEGA-Sammy bought Atlus, not Sega.
There is in fact a difference.
Guys, I have to reemphasize here that SEGA-Sammy bought Atlus, not Sega.
There is in fact a difference.
Yes, I agree.
Can we stop arguing about the wrongheaded idea that Nintendo would've been a good buyer for Index now, please?
I was talking about previous titles, actually. The ones that came out in English, and sell like shit. They brought 4 fucking games, despite the sale. I actually amazed that we even got the 4th game.
The only problem is their atrocious marketing.
Sega-Sammy owns Sega, Sammy, and now Atlus.In my upset state Im honestly having trouble telling the difference. Can you clarify it? It'd probably do much to ease some peoples minds.
Well Nintendo could have purchased Atlus and applied what they have done with Pokemon: Create a company where one manages the brand, merchandising and licensing - hence the Pokemon Company, a separate entity from Nintendo.
I mean Nintendo does manage the Fire Emblem series which has a cult following and dedicated fan base much like the Persona franchise. I mean the possibilities are endless as to how Nintendo could of managed the ''Atlus brand'' but remaining a third-party entity is ultimately the best though.
It's probably one of the least likely things to continue being localized.
In any case, now that Atlus and Sega are united there's nothing stopping a re-release of the game we've all been clamoring for.
Well Nintendo could have purchased Atlus and applied what they have done with Pokemon; create a company where one manages the brand, merchandising and licensing - hence the Pokemon Company, a separate entity from Nintendo.
I mean Nintendo does manage the Fire Emblem series which has a cult following and dedicated fan base much like the Persona franchise. I mean the possibilities are endless as to how Nintendo could of managed the ''Atlus brand'' but remaining a third-party entity is ultimately the best though.
In my upset state Im honestly having trouble telling the difference. Can you clarify it? It'd probably do much to ease some peoples minds.
Something like that. I'm a bit vauge on where Sammy fits in, honestly.
Yeah, i'll agree with this. My posts weren't thought out too great, but the core of the idea I was trying to get at was there.Saying Nintendo doesn't understand cross-media is idiocy, but saying Nintendo specifically doesn't understand cross-media needed to promote a brand like Persona is a lot more defendable.
The good news is that, Atlus Japan, where a good deal of the actual development is done, should now be reasonably stable and secure, at least for the near future.
The big unknown here, is what happens to Atlus USA. The pessimist view of course would be to assume that Sega closes it down, but, that might not be a realistic assessment. Remember Atlus USA is more often than not, a fairly lucrative venture. Not only that, but Atlus USA owns a number of very valuable assets, including distribution channels, industry contracts, and publishing rights to a number of franchises.
Any branch of Sega would be foolish to simply shuttle off all that into a warehouse and ignore it. Something will be done with Atlus USA, the question is, what exactly.
The options as I see it are, first, that Sega keeps them around as a localization and publishing label, largely for the purpose of marketing. Conversely, Sega could absorb Atlus USA more wholly, in which case some of the many employees and projects would likely be dropped.
Chances are that significant elements of Atlus USA will at least survive at Sega. What happens to the franchises and employees that do not carry over, is anyone's guess. Who knows, maybe XSeed will swoop in and pick them up.
Sega-Sammy owns Sega, Sammy, and now Atlus.
Sega owns its internal developers and its various affiliated developers, like Sumo and Relic. Sega does not own Sammy or Atlus.
Something like that. I'm a bit vauge on where Sammy fits in, honestly.
Let's not forget that Sega took a giant shit on English-speaking Shining fans. After two very large and heart-felt campaigns to Sega to do something about the Shining series, they turn around and refuse to localize anything after Shining Force Exa (having skipped Shining Wind entirely), and then proceed to attack Shining Force III/Shining the Holy Ark Youtube uploads when they were trying to promote Shining Ark.
Sega Japan has some serious issues when it comes to actually listening to their fan bases.
In any case, now that Atlus and Sega are united there's nothing stopping a re-release of the game we've all been clamoring for.
This is probably the best possible outcome.
I thought that was released on the 3DS Virtual Console? At least in Japan.
Just, a little thought.
Best case scenario, Sega keeps Atlus USA largely intact, uses them for localization and the publishing of small titles. Net result, Sonic, Phantasy Star, Shining Force, Persona, and Shina Magumi Tensai, all end up existing under the same room, and very little else is impacted.
Also, something else that people haven't addressed yet.
By purchasing Index, Sega now owns Madhouse, the animation studio.
really having a hard time thinking of a better one, despite this thread's tone
That would be the worst possible case, and my main source of worry so far. If they keep it around and running or even localize Sega's niche game, that is the best possible outcome for us.
Well, it's fine if you only care about Persona. Us Etrian Odyssey fans were probably screwed no matter what.
Oh man, totally forgot this. That could be tricky. At least MadHouse has the juggernaut that is Hunter x Hunter right now, but once that's forced to go on hiatus it'll be really tempting for someone like Sega-Sammy to drop them from the balance sheet.
Yeah for me the best case scenario would be Nintendo buying them (I know it screws other people a lot). I would have a bigger chance to get a new EO, and other stuff that goes to other platforms as well.
Oh well. I wont overthink this, we have to wait and see.
Just, a little thought.
Best case scenario, Sega keeps Atlus USA largely intact, uses them for localization and the publishing of small titles. Net result, Sonic, Phantasy Star, Shining Force, Persona, and Shina Magumi Tensai, all end up existing under the same room, and very little else is impacted.
Also, something else that people haven't addressed yet.
By purchasing Index, Sega now owns Madhouse, the animation studio.
Because Nintendo is really big on localizing sub-50K sellers, yes.
If we take Fire Emblem as an example, Nintendo never signed up a Fire Emblem: Awakening anime despite having a huge sales surge in large part due to appealing more to that audience and the styles/production values they like.
The synergy there was obvious, but they didn't take the opportunity.
Index owned 10% of Madhouse and its not like they even collaborated on anything. NTV (the broadcaster) owns 85% of Madhouse and completely controls it.
Oh man, totally forgot this. That could be tricky. At least MadHouse has the juggernaut that is Hunter x Hunter right now, but once that's forced to go on hiatus it'll be really tempting for someone like Sega-Sammy to drop them from the balance sheet.
I cannot think of a single Japanese company that would actually be a better choice to purchase Index. At best Namco, and that's more of a lateral move than anything else.
The next Sonic Racing title could get very interesting if they include Atlus characters and levels.
I could see what you mean, thanks for the heads up.I think you misunderstood somewhat. The former option, Sega keeping Atlus USA around in name, is one of the best case scenario's. It'd mean that most of Atlus USA would survive the buyout with relatively few changes. When I said they'd keep the brand around for marketing purposes, I meant that they wouldn't change it into just another part of Sega and drop the name. There are, after all, a number of people out there that'll buy games solely because of the Atlus label.
They could just get them to make the SMT IV anime.
I know, I'm just being dumb. I wanna play it in English somehow!
Gung Ho.
Mara Chariot!