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Well, if that's all you need, that's not bad, your better off than most. I played through recently and loved it. Well worth it IMHO.
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Sega Saturn Appreciation and Emulation Thread
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Yeah it and shining in the darkness shot up really quickly. Luckily I had Albert since I bought it brand new and I got shining complete for 25 dollars.
cj_iwakura
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That's how it goes, eventually people realize their worth too late. I still have my launch copy. It's a true gem.
StevieWhite
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Dark Savior will always have my vote for most under-appreciated game of all time. Its combat is objectively complete garbage, yet it is still one of the most compelling and interesting games I have ever played. It's the definition of a cult classic.
Yeah I still wish they went all out with the 1 on 1 fighting game combat. You know what, that'll be the next game I tackle. I got lost in the game as a kid (but really liked it nevertheless). I was going to go in on Shining in the Darkness after Xenogears, but Dark Savior will probably be next. Or at least at the same time.
StevieWhite
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Dark Savior is also great because you can play through most of it in under 20 hours. Definitely a game that's fun to revisit. Which is great, because revisiting is its core mechanic.
blast processed
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I've always skipped this game because of the isometric view/questionable combat and god awful box art. Its still relatively cheap.
StevieWhite
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If you're skipping Saturn games because of their box art, you're skipping most of the NA and EU library.
The isometric bit isn't bad at all. The combat is serviceable but completely unimpressive.
blast processed
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The box art doesn't ever sway my decision. I just generally don't enjoy isometric games on consoles for some reason. No problems playing those types of games on the PC though.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
I remember renting Dark Savior back in the day and absolutely hating it. Combat was terrible and I couldn't think of a redeeming value. So why is it good, again?
StevieWhite
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Plot and premise alone. The platforming isn't bad once you get the hang of it. The plot always starts the same, but your actions during the first 5 minutes of the game drastically alter the scenario. Things that were unclear neatly fall into place during subsequent replays. It's not high art or anything like that, but it was extremely novel back in 1996.
The gameplay is identical to Landstalker but better because you can move the camera a bit, so you don't have to make blind jumps any more. Combats are an acquired taste though.
The story is great, with much replayability. When you make certain choices, you don't just change the ending like most games, you change the whole story, with completely different locations to explore.
Agent Unknown
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StevieWhite
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Finally finished Dragon Force II. Great game but soo time consuming. Wish we got it back in 1998 when I had so much more free time... getting old is a bitch.
cj_iwakura
Member
How'd you deal with the demon strongholds?
StevieWhite
Member
The endgame ones or the caves?
The caves you don't have to clear out, but they give you all that good stuff for crafting . The trick is to have plenty of archers or ghosts on deck to take care of the Chimeras from level three on... They are the big time sink though. Once I had enough Dragon crests, I pretty much stopped the caves altogether.
Also: the generals have a level equal to your party leader. So if you put a scrub in charge, it is a little easier. The bottom level rewards aren't so hot, so backing out earlier isn't so much of an issue.
The endgame ones... they were easy, because of all the Dragon crests.
Agent Unknown
Member
Many pages back someone posted about a modder who discovered a possible way to add a large SRAM memory block to the system which if workable would create virtually unlimited system memory and eliminate the need for batteries and save carts. Anyone know if there was ever any update from that guy?
Maybe you are talking about this? http://www.db-elec.com/home/lab-posts/segasaturninternalmemorymodwithfram-nobatteryrequired
db managed to replace the battery-backed save chip with one of identical size which doesn't need a battery. I enquired about upgrading the size as well but according to him, along with wiring difficulties the BIOS needs to be modified to use the expanded space.
StevieWhite
Member
Seems like it would just be easier to put a post it on your Saturn that says "remember to swap your games to the A/R."
ienjoyrawfish
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Dark Savior is a flawed masterpiece which had the potential to be one of the best RPGs of its generation.
StevieWhite said:
I actually think this is one of the game's biggest weaknesses. Not because short RPGs are inherently inferior, but because Dark Savior's plot has so many loose ends and its characters are so complex that they simply can't be adequately developed in the amount of time it takes to finish the game. This is compounded by the fact that the story arc effectively 'resets' itself after a few hours of play due to the parallel world mechanic.
It's an extremely short game (I can complete all parallels in around 6 hours, never mind 20) and it just feels a little rushed and incomplete.
Khaz said:
The camera movement is definitely an improvement. However, Landstalker had some of the best dungeon design I've ever seen and can easily stand toe-to-toe with most Zelda games for that. Dark Savior's is pretty mediocre by comparison and is mostly too easy (with the exception of that memorisation fest minecart sequence). It's still a good game in its own right and does many things better than Landstalker, mainly story and characters. Soundtrack is awesome too.
Lonesome Soldier
Snarling Bounty Sword
Finally, what about that alleged hidden 'Parallel 6' in the Japanese version? Surely one of gaming's weirdest and most intriguing unsolved mysteries.
goldenpp72
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So I am slowly starting to take pictures of my various collections, or rather ones I have officially finished collecting for. I don't believe I will ever purchase another Saturn title outside to replace something that was lost/stolen/damaged, so here is my fully bounty for that. Funny enough the last game I purchased for it was Hang on, took awhile to find it for the right price in the right shape. A fun but challenging console to collect for due to the fragility of the cases, but I thank the users here for directing me to a few games I was missing a long time ago. I didn't forget, just took awhile to find 
beast!So I am slowly starting to take pictures of my various collections, or rather ones I have officially finished collecting for. I don't believe I will ever purchase another Saturn title outside to replace something that was lost/stolen/damaged, so here is my fully bounty for that. Funny enough the last game I purchased for it was Hang on, took awhile to find it for the right price in the right shape. A fun but challenging console to collect for due to the fragility of the cases, but I thank the users here for directing me to a few games I was missing a long time ago. I didn't forget, just took awhile to find
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Was at Classic Games Fest yesterday and picked up Tengai Makyou 4 and Shining Force.
Really small amount of Saturn representation there. >;
Really small amount of Saturn representation there. >;
goldenpp72
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Thanks lol, I began collecting for it about 7 years ago i'd say, seeing what the prices have become in recent time makes me pretty proud I got on board before it became too ridiculous. Magic Knight Rayearth, Panzer Dragoon Saga and Mega Man 8 were probably the most valuable things I had to pay a premium on personally, but it would seem I got a pretty decent price on them relative to their current day values :/
I also finished collecting on Sega CD specifically because of the cases being about the same as the Saturn, just wanted to get those things out of the way. They do make for nice things to display though. I recently setup a 'light gun' section in my area and the Virtua Cop games get a lot of play even these days.
RoryDropkick
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Was at Classic Games Fest yesterday and picked up Tengai Makyou 4 and Shining Force.
Really small amount of Saturn representation there. >;
I was up there yesterday too, my friend was eyeing that copy as well *lol*
blast processed
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So I am slowly starting to take pictures of my various collections, or rather ones I have officially finished collecting for. I don't believe I will ever purchase another Saturn title outside to replace something that was lost/stolen/damaged, so here is my fully bounty for that. Funny enough the last game I purchased for it was Hang on, took awhile to find it for the right price in the right shape. A fun but challenging console to collect for due to the fragility of the cases, but I thank the users here for directing me to a few games I was missing a long time ago. I didn't forget, just took awhile to find
Good for you, I bet that feels good. I'm probably about 3/4 done collecting US games and most of the expensive stuff is out of the way.
SpikedGunner
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So I am slowly starting to take pictures of my various collections, or rather ones I have officially finished collecting for. I don't believe I will ever purchase another Saturn title outside to replace something that was lost/stolen/damaged, so here is my fully bounty for that. Funny enough the last game I purchased for it was Hang on, took awhile to find it for the right price in the right shape. A fun but challenging console to collect for due to the fragility of the cases, but I thank the users here for directing me to a few games I was missing a long time ago. I didn't forget, just took awhile to find
Awesome...kind of jelly that you have Shinobi Legion and House of the Dead. Though have to ask, is that a custom box for Christmas NiGHTS?
Bar81
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Yes; it only came in a slipcase.
sixteen-bit
Member
I like that shuriken is decoupled from slash (tho apparently Shinobi 3 has that too) and for a digitized game it controls well and has pretty good hit detection.
goldenpp72
Member
Yeah that's a custom box I made a few years ago. It was one of my earlier attempts to photoshop. I got lucky when the lady at the kinkos allowed me to print out the copyright stuff because she turned out to be a Saturn fan. Running into one in the wild was in itself pretty unheard of for me, she asked if she could take the art for the Astal spine I made and I was on my merry way. I had planned to do one for Virtua Fighter Remix too because I only ever thought it came in those little sleeves, but apparently they did release it in limited fashion in a long box variant, so I tracked that down. All of my games are legit cases outside of X-mas nights though.
Here's a closer shot of it.
MulderYuffie
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Congrats that is a fantastic collection!So I am slowly starting to take pictures of my various collections, or rather ones I have officially finished collecting for. I don't believe I will ever purchase another Saturn title outside to replace something that was lost/stolen/damaged, so here is my fully bounty for that. Funny enough the last game I purchased for it was Hang on, took awhile to find it for the right price in the right shape. A fun but challenging console to collect for due to the fragility of the cases, but I thank the users here for directing me to a few games I was missing a long time ago. I didn't forget, just took awhile to find
Agent Unknown
Member
Started playing Soukyugurentai again last night, love the mix of manic gunplay plus Rayforce'esque lock on shooting. Also the soundtrack is soooooo good. Really gritty with a nice booming sound and moody too. You know a soundtrack is good when you want to just sit and listen to the music that plays on the high score leaderboard. Whatever happened to Raizing/8ing anyways? Did they work on much after the Bloody Roar series? Shame we never got a collection of their shmup lineup.
Thanks for the clarification, very interesting mod. Shame expanding the memory isn't possible or viable but I'm still jealous he at least doesn't have to use a battery anymore.
Thanks for the clarification, very interesting mod. Shame expanding the memory isn't possible or viable but I'm still jealous he at least doesn't have to use a battery anymore.
blast processed
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No way, I prefer the long boxes. I love my Bomberman box, so big and colorful.
I was very confused at your post for a few seconds.
Agent Unknown
Member
Don't do that!
Lol sorry about that. I tend to make these on occasion. Fantasizing about what should have been.
That made me so sad. ;_; I made this a few months ago, too.
I'll have to remake this one day though. *cough* You can see remnants of the original image still in there.
EDIT - Anyone have a Battle Garegga Spine Card for sale?
I like Saturn Ryo more than DC Ryo
looks the age he's supposed to be, DC Ryo looks like 25
sixteen-bit
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u seem to be pretty good with photoshop...
I'm alright
You are right though. There's a 30 dollar difference between a spine card listing and one without it. Spine cards arent worth that much to me.Hot damn that is sexy!