theSlacker
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So what is the deal with Christmas Nights into Dreams? Is it a full reskin of Nights? Seen someone with it in a longbox, but haven't seen any listed that way so was that just some custom thing?
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Sega Saturn Appreciation and Emulation Thread
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So I bought a copy of Galactic Attack, but it's very weird. The disc has some light scratches on it, and some more moderate ones along the outermost ring. When I put it into my Saturn, the drive seemingly doesn't spin up AT ALL. I don't hear it, and at one point the access light just started blinking.
I took it out, and put in Saturn Bomberman, and it worked first try.
I put Galactic Attack back in, and same thing happens... silence.
I am using an Action Replay, but this still seems odd. I would think if the disc was bad, it'd at least spin and then error out, not just sit there with no motion at all.
Has anyone else seen behavior such as this?
I took it out, and put in Saturn Bomberman, and it worked first try.
I put Galactic Attack back in, and same thing happens... silence.
I am using an Action Replay, but this still seems odd. I would think if the disc was bad, it'd at least spin and then error out, not just sit there with no motion at all.
Has anyone else seen behavior such as this?
sixteen-bit
Member
Probably a bad disc. The only other thing I can think of as being close is In The Hunt. It had a manufacturing error in which all copies won't boot unless 0 or 2 controllers are plugged in. If you just have one the game won't load.
Shadow Hog
Member
It's a demo disc. On a normal day, you only really get to play Spring Valley (which is even less than the normal NiGHTS Sampler, which also let you play all of Frozen Bell).
However, on certain holidays, you unlock "presents" that expand what the demo can do significantly. You can do a no-time-limit Link Attack on one stage of Frozen Bell (where it's theoretically possible to go on infinitely). You can play Spring Valley as Sonic (including a custom fight against Puffy, who's now Eggman). You can play as Reala. You can get a sound test that lets you check out how all the stages of the full game sound depending on the happiness of the Nightopians in the background (might require a save from a full copy of the game, though). Likewise, Spring Valley gets frozen over during Chrismtas/winter.
It was never a longbox game, though; just a little paper sleeve, similar to how the discs for the 3-in-1 pack came.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
Just stopping by to say this is the greatest thing I have ever seen
Seven Force
Banned
Also worth mentioning that Elliot gets a version of Spring Valley not present in the full game, as well.
theSlacker
Member
Thanks for the info.
Also something fun. This made me want to play the Nights game that I picked up recently, only to discover that it has a crack in the inside edge that I hadn't noticed before. Went back to check the listing I got it from, and sure enough it was in the picture when I knew where to look for it, just "hidden" by matching up with the grooves on the disk holder. How foolish of me.
Thats exactly the case.
Genesis Knight
Member
You can turn it on with a controller on the 2p port and then switch it over to the 1p port.
sixteen-bit
Member
Thanks for the tip, but dealthy afraid of hotswapping controller ports after hearing DC horror stories.
Chiaroscuro
Member
Which horror stories??????
sixteen-bit
Member
Just that some people would short the controller ports by removing and re-inserting controllers while the system is on.
Hey guys, I have a question hope you don't mind me asking.
I recently dusted-off my japanese SEGA Saturn in order to play some new games I got recently and noticed something for the first time in years.
Is it normal that some games don't save on system's memory - so far, I found out Shin Shinobi Den, Golden Axe: The Duel and Pretty Fighter X do that - even if they ask you to enter your name when you manage to get some high-score? I use a 4M Auto Action Replay Plus (both as memory card and additional RAM cart) but I tried those games without it and nothing changed. The Sat's battery has been just replaced.
Thanks for any info about it!
I recently dusted-off my japanese SEGA Saturn in order to play some new games I got recently and noticed something for the first time in years.
Is it normal that some games don't save on system's memory - so far, I found out Shin Shinobi Den, Golden Axe: The Duel and Pretty Fighter X do that - even if they ask you to enter your name when you manage to get some high-score? I use a 4M Auto Action Replay Plus (both as memory card and additional RAM cart) but I tried those games without it and nothing changed. The Sat's battery has been just replaced.
Thanks for any info about it!
A Black Falcon
Member
That's something I've only ever heard of happening on the DC though, not other systems...
You have to manual move saves with a 4M. Apparently the Saturn doesnt detect it as a normal memory cart.
A Black Falcon
Member
That's because it's detecting it as a RAM expansion. It's too bad they didn't let you choose one or the other.
That's the point... Those games don't save even if I don't insert the Action Replay. They don't leave any save block on the system's memory either. I doubt their single savedata could be bigger than the whole Saturn's backup memory.
I mean, it could be normal (I just found out a retro-reviews website reporting 'none' under 'Save Blocks' for Golden Axe The Duel), just figuring that out after so many years left me a bit puzzled.
Genesis Knight
Member
If the Action Replay was detected as a memory backup cart for direct save then it wouldn't be able to do region unlock or cheat codes. Necessary evil.
ResidentDante
Member
You haven't heard this about anything other than the Dreamcast though? I used to do this all the time on MS, MD, NES, SNES, N64, PS1 and PS2
A Black Falcon
Member
That's the point... Those games don't save even if I don't insert the Action Replay. They don't leave any save block on the system's memory either. I doubt their single savedata could be bigger than the whole Saturn's backup memory.
I mean, it could be normal (I just found out a retro-reviews website reporting 'none' under 'Save Blocks' for Golden Axe The Duel), just figuring that out after so many years left me a bit puzzled.
Some Saturn games just don't support saving, stupidly. Examples include Clockwork Knight, Panzer Dragoon (the first one), Darius Gaiden, In the Hunt, and others.
sixteen-bit
Member
If you have a PS3 or 360 there's no reason to play Saturn Daytona IMO
Horses!
Genesis Knight
Member
Which one? The first version has a worse framerate than the others IIRC.
sixteen-bit
Member
speaking of Daytona...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DAYTONA-USA...EGA-SATURN-GAME-LN-CIB-Net-Link-/300945222385
#Ballin'
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DAYTONA-USA...EGA-SATURN-GAME-LN-CIB-Net-Link-/300945222385
#Ballin'
The prices are just going up like crazy.
I bought my Panzer Dragoon Saga 120 3-5 years ago and I thought it was freaking expensive. Now it's listed at above 300 on eBay! Same for Keio Flying Squadron 2 that I bought 80 (and 40 a second one, but I was damn lucky), now it's listed 150 to 180.
I'm oogling Burning Rangers and Guardian heroes. So far they seem stable, just a tad above my sweet spot though.
Also lol at Radiant Silvergun. There is always at least a dozen of eBay ads everyday but they are all about 150. This game is way too popular for it's (non-existent) rarity.
I can't find copies of Three dirty dwarves (pal). I know it weren't immensely popular but it's like the game just vanished.
I don't even want this version and its messed up controls. Japan CE is much better (and saves me from spending a few thousands bucks)
I bought my Panzer Dragoon Saga 120 3-5 years ago and I thought it was freaking expensive. Now it's listed at above 300 on eBay! Same for Keio Flying Squadron 2 that I bought 80 (and 40 a second one, but I was damn lucky), now it's listed 150 to 180.
I'm oogling Burning Rangers and Guardian heroes. So far they seem stable, just a tad above my sweet spot though.
Also lol at Radiant Silvergun. There is always at least a dozen of eBay ads everyday but they are all about 150. This game is way too popular for it's (non-existent) rarity.
I can't find copies of Three dirty dwarves (pal). I know it weren't immensely popular but it's like the game just vanished.
I don't even want this version and its messed up controls. Japan CE is much better (and saves me from spending a few thousands bucks)
They says it's playable http://sf3trans.shiningforcecentral.com/progress/ . I would love to try but 1) they expect a US/UK version of SF3E1 and 2) I don't like closed-source .exe . I don't have Windows dammit.
Wish I could get it for that much disc only. Had to do that with Shining Force 3 NA.
Shadow Hog
Member
In terms of price, or quality?
I mean, it's a pretty good game. Kinda like Zelda, kinda not. Certainly more stage-focused and less open-world, and instead of items and subweapons, you switch between three girls who have their own specific weapon (a sword, a rapier and a bow).
I suppose it's somewhat telling that the thing I remember the most about it is a really annoying stealth segment in the sky-town. <_<
theSlacker
Member
And to think that I'm about to pay like $130 for it next time I see a good copy.
SonicXtreme
Member
Cce despite goofy handling is more fun than the hd port imo. Got to have dat splitscreen. At least it handled better than the dc one.
3 dirty dwarves needs a rerelease with online play so bad
goldenpp72
Member
So awhile ago I posted this picture as my 'finished' set for the Saturn..
And now I added these 4 (had no idea Sega Ages was working designs related!)
I'm considering adding Wipeout before calling it total quits on my Saturn stuff, but if anyone has any additional suggestions for (US) releases i'd like to hear them as I like to feel I really knocked it out of the park before putting the finale stamp on it. I actually got Tomb raider for free effectively but, wasn't sure if I should seek other PS1 stuff as I already own most PS1 titles that the Saturn got, but I also kinda like owning the big ass Saturn boxes so who knows..
And now I added these 4 (had no idea Sega Ages was working designs related!)
I'm considering adding Wipeout before calling it total quits on my Saturn stuff, but if anyone has any additional suggestions for (US) releases i'd like to hear them as I like to feel I really knocked it out of the park before putting the finale stamp on it. I actually got Tomb raider for free effectively but, wasn't sure if I should seek other PS1 stuff as I already own most PS1 titles that the Saturn got, but I also kinda like owning the big ass Saturn boxes so who knows..
Definitely add Enemy Zero!
Mmm comparing to my own (eu) I would say of worth playing you'd be missing (not in order) Dark Savior, Decathlete, Virtua Fighter original, Mystaria /Blazing heroes, D, Sega Touring Car, decathlete 2/Winter Heat and Manx TT.
I especially enjoyed Dark Savior and Mystaria, both very good games in their genre. I even went out of my way to buy Riglord Saga 2 (my first import ever!) but eh, playing this kind of game in a language you don't understand and a writing you can't read is not enjoyable.
[edit] That translation of Princess Crown is coming along quite nicely it seems.
So what, in a month, maybe two we might see a patch popping out?
theSlacker
Member
What are my options friend? I really want to play it and that has been the normal going price for a complete version. Don't want to wait too long and see it rise some more.
Is that longbox Christmas Nights some sort of custom cover? Or am I mistaking another game for it?
Shadow Hog
Member
You might do well to pick up the Lobotomy FPS trilogy; Powerslave, Duke Nukem 3D and Quake. Yeah, the latter two are better on PC, but you get Death Tank Zwei out of it, which I hear is great fun for up to seven players. Powerslave, at least, is better on Saturn than on PC (some might argue it's better on PS1, but YMMV on that; PS1 and Saturn have subtle differences, while PS1/Saturn and PC are night and day).
I noticed that, too. Looks cool. Pretty sure in the US it was just a dirty cardboard sleeve release.
That's an impressive collection. Tomb Raider was originally a Saturn release first, so it's cool to have.
I'm gonna have to just bite the bullet on Magic Knight Rayearth someday...
s_mirage
Member
What do you think causes the prices to rise in the first place? It's a few people paying over the top which then leads to all sellers asking extortionate amounts. If a single copy sells for an anomalously high amount you then see every seller on eBay setting their BIN prices around that value. The game isn't that rare, the Japanese version isn't expensive at all, and the European version costs nowhere near that much. If the price stays that high I'll eat my hat. If you just want to play it, get the Japanese version and see what happens to the US version's price.
If your options are pay way too much for it or don't play it at all, don't play it.
BR is a neat game that clearly laid down the ground work for (oddly enough) Phantasy Star Online. The setting is cool and the voice acting and anime cutscenes are pretty good for the time, and the graphics are great for the Saturn.
However, it's also pretty short. There's only five missions and you'll have done everything there is to do in six hours tops. The control is okay, manageable I guess, but there's so little variation in the gameplay. There's no reason Burning Rangers is unmissable. Import the JP version and save yourself $100 - not having to muscle through the Japanese dialog is NOT worth that price difference.
sixteen-bit
Member
I think Burning Rangers needs a re-release badly. It's got that SOTC syndrome where the game outpaces the hardware. Shame we never got an AGES ver. on PS2.
Shadow Hog
Member
The game is kind of hard to play without the navigation system.
goldenpp72
Member
Custom. I did a print out for the back and front but all the other games are their genuine versions. I actually remembered doing that and starting work on virtua fighter remix but noticed there seemed to be an awful lot of just right art for that one. Took awhile but I was informed of the different color disc and the one long box one and went from there.
No it isn't. Not the first time around - maybe when stages become randomized in NG+.