Bryank75
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Just about to fight him! I've been taking my time. Also, my son hogs the PS4, time to get another one.
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V1LÆM
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urgh this miniboss at reservoir is fucking me up. i can get the deathblow in but after that i can only do a tiny bit of damage to him. he deflects most of my attacks and then fucks me up with his huge ass spear. i can mikiri him but it does no damage.
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Radical Dreamer
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#Phonepunk#
Banned
trying to fight the Seven Spears Shime Oniwa and getting destroyed. this guy is harder than any boss. i'm at the Ashina Reservoir and there is one other tough enemy there with him but i can't seem to stealth my way to either of them. otherwise i would use puppet ninjitsu to even the score.
edit: sounds like i need to find some green sugar.
edit: sounds like i need to find some green sugar.
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V1LÆM
Gold Member
i'm at the same area right now. spear guy is fucking me up and the purple ninja dude creeping out the dungeon fucks me up too because the area is just too small.
The Bloody-Nine
Member
Check the last page, it's easy to sneak up on 7 Spears.
Is the other enemy the guy in the well? If so, ignore the entrance and continue on until you find another hole in the ground. You can get a death blow by dropping on him.
The Bloody-Nine
Member
Would you like to see the ultimate 'no chance of losing' cheese method for 7 Spears?
V1LÆM
Gold Member
sure....i guess
i can give him a deathblow but i do no damage to him afterwards. he just deflects everything and fucks me up.
The Bloody-Nine
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V1LÆM
Gold Member
lmfao i'll keep that in mind if i'm really desperate. seriously though i didn't know you could grapple to the right of the temple. saves me dealing with all those enemies every time.
The Bloody-Nine
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Oil followed by fire severely hurts the purple ninja in the well btw. Though the camera is the biggest obstacle.
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#Phonepunk#
Banned
yeah i used the stealth candy and crouched and just walked right up in between them and took him out and puppet-ed. then i sat back and watched them fight, running it to hit Spears when his back was turned. he took out the puppet shortly before losing 1 DB but i figured out a strat to avoid getting killed: jump! i just keep jumping with this Spear guy, every time i see danger, i just jump left & away. he is pretty vulnerable to jump slices so i mix those in as well + the usual firecrackers & whirlwind slash. several well-times Mikiri Counters certainly helped.
now taking out a few mini bosses and random enemies here and there before attempting the final battle. grinding a little & exploring more at Fountainhead Palace as well. such a cool area. i was puppeting enemies and accidentally puppeted a lightning shooter, who started shooting lightning all over the place. i had to kill him again, and it looked like i got extra XP from him. puppeting might be a way to get extra points from each enemy.
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Thing on a Spring
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Congrats! I'm still debating if I'm going to go for it myself. I've done DS1 and Bloodborne and I think I like this even more but that last boss took it out of me lol. I might cleanse the palette for a few days before going for it.
Radical Dreamer
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If you give away kuro's charm it's way harder though
It's tough to do perfect parry every time.Thing on a Spring said:
You talk about isshin or demon of hatred? isshin is way easier imo, you can really abuse some of his attacks.
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CagedChicken
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I am so totally doing this when I get to that guy. Imma run straight to that ledge and chop that mofo's ankles back into the stone age. Most useful Sekiro tip yet!
Thing on a Spring
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If you give away kuro's charm it's way harder though
You talk about isshin or demon of hatred? isshin is way easier imo, you can really abuse some of his attacks.
Genichiro Tomoe for stage 1 then 3 stages of Isshin The Sword Master. I could do Genichiro then stage 1 and 2 of Isshin without getting hit towards the end but kept ballsing up on the lightning phase Ishiin. I didn't even find the DoH. I'm guessing I can't fight him now that I'm on clean up before NG+?
You can fight him still. He's not that far from where you are now.
Thing on a Spring
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gunslikewhoa
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Danjin44
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I would sayIf you give away kuro's charm it's way harder though
You talk about isshin or demon of hatred? isshin is way easier imo, you can really abuse some of his attacks.
without the charm isshin is much harder than Demon. In my experience I find the boss against the Demon is much easier because for the most part his attack is much easier to avoid if you know his attack patterns.
If you jump backwards is the right time you avoid can that attack. It's kind of similar to his poop attack, you need jump after he throws it rather than when his about to throw it.Can you? Hitboxes on this air grab attack are so fucked up it drove me insane
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The Bloody-Nine
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Did two mini bosses and two proper bosses. Exhausting. And looks like I'm back at the castle.
Thing on a Spring
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What was the last boss you beat?
kevin_trinh
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Withou Kuro charm the hardest boss is 2 Centipede
Grinchy
Banned
Finally played some more tonight and killed the Owl. It only took me like 5 tries, so that wasn't too bad. But then I continue on and and immediately faced with another boss with 3 life bars and I just don't feel like going through another boss fight immediately. I was hoping to explore a new area for pacing reasons.
V1LÆM
Gold Member
juzou/ogre/butterfly/horse dude?
JimiNutz
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I haven't played the game for about a week but was stuck in the same areas. I came close to beating spear at least but purple Longswordsman fucks me up in that small area.
A few people in this thread did kindly post videos showing how to beat both and offered up their own tips. I'm going to try again today.
Danjin44
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Remember, you can actually Mikiri counter their strong kick attack.
The Bloody-Nine
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I beat the first Snake Eyes (I initially ran past), Tokujiro the Glutton, Guardian Ape and Corrupted Monk.
EDIT I did O'Rin, too.
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nkarafo
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Can't predict his moves, can't always avoid or counter his many different unblockables and can't stop screwing up a few runs at the first or second phase either.
I even tried to cheese him but that's even worse because it lasts for ever and i still screw it up.
That's it. I'm going to have to cheat so i can at least see the ending and be done with it. And i'm not going to be fine with it but at least i won't get a brain stroke.
Edit: Screw that! I did it
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The Bloody-Nine
Member
There's no way I'm prepared to waste that amount of time on any boss in any game. Too old for that shit.
Fuz
Banned
There's a super dumb cheese for it.
EDIT: I'm late, already posted.
Reason why I stopped playing. 4 phases are too many, I can't be bothered to do them all over and over again. Just got burned out and stopped.
I don't think that's unintentional.
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Northeastmonk
Gold Member
Have you tried poisoning him? It can get his health down to half. I've only heard of this method with the Sabimaru Poison. Firecracker>poison. That way posture doesn't deplete as fast when you start deflecting his attacks. Also, using the sugar to reduce your posture damage helps. I haven't had a lot of time to invest in the fight this week, but this weekend I'm ready.
V1LÆM
Gold Member
this fucking bastarding game can go take a fuck to itself.
seriously fuck this spear dude. i just can't deal with him at all. i can easily get the deathblow but no matter what strategy i try he just completely destroys me with his stupid spear.
i don't know why i do this to myself. the game is pissing me right off. urgh. i need to just take a break for a bit and breath.
seriously fuck this spear dude. i just can't deal with him at all. i can easily get the deathblow but no matter what strategy i try he just completely destroys me with his stupid spear.
i don't know why i do this to myself. the game is pissing me right off. urgh. i need to just take a break for a bit and breath.
Grinchy
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You should probably just progress the game and not deal with him for now. Beating him actually isn't important.this fucking bastarding game can go take a fuck to itself.
seriously fuck this spear dude. i just can't deal with him at all. i can easily get the deathblow but no matter what strategy i try he just completely destroys me with his stupid spear.
i don't know why i do this to myself. the game is pissing me right off. urgh. i need to just take a break for a bit and breath.
The real bosses give you attack upgrades so when you come back to spearbitch later on, you'll do more damage to him when your strikes land. Doing damage to him faster is good because it won't take as long to fill up his posture bar for that 2nd deathblow.
That guy is a bitch but it's just all about deflecting hits and mikiri counters. If you don't have the upgrade for the mikiri counter doing extra posture damage and if you're early enough in that your attack power is low, then the fight is going to be harder than it has to be.
V1LÆM
Gold Member
i'll give it a few more tries and if i don't fuck him up then i'm moving on. i'll be back to whoop his ass for sure.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
Firecracker>ichimonji?this fucking bastarding game can go take a fuck to itself.
seriously fuck this spear dude. i just can't deal with him at all. i can easily get the deathblow but no matter what strategy i try he just completely destroys me with his stupid spear.
i don't know why i do this to myself. the game is pissing me right off. urgh. i need to just take a break for a bit and breath.
The Bloody-Nine
Member
Cheese the prick.
Can I give you some tips before you do that? Phase 3 is the hardest of all of them but there are a bunch of things you can do to make your life easier. If you get to Phase 4 you've basically won. You're really, really close it would be a shame to give up now.
Your loadout should be Aged Feather Mist Raven/Loaded Umbrella Magnet, Purple Fume Spark, and Piercing Sabimaru. You should also have Healing Gourd, Fistful of Ash, Ceremonial Dagger, Pellet, and Gokan's Sugar in your quick items. If you prefer not to use Ceremonial Dagger, I would recommend also dropping the Pellet and swapping them for Eel Liver and Bite Down. For CA you have your pick of Floating Passage, Whirlwind Slash, Ichimonji (double if you want, doesn't matter), High Monk, or Mortal Draw/Empowered Mortal Draw.
Healing Gourd: Obvious. Drink this to heal. Very dangerous to do this against Isshin however. That's why we have Purple Fume Spark. Isshin will cover huge distances to punish you for healing, and his AI seems to react to you activating the Gourd. Ordinary Fireworks have a habit of going off a little too quickly to catch him when he does his dash-in attack, so Purple Fume is a bit better. Either can work though, just with stricter timing.
Fistful of Ash: Doesn't work on Isshin, but it does work on Genichiro. Specifically, it prevents him from charging up his Mortal Strike and from continuing his very long, multi-hit combo. By now you should be able to recognize the startup for both of those attacks. Keep Fistful of Ash as your active item during this fight so you can throw it as quickly as possible. Obviously this is another opportunity to heal against Genichiro, and it's better than Fireworks since it saves you emblems for Isshin and also because Purple Fume Spark is actually a bit slow against Genichiro.
Ceremonial Dagger and Pellet: Four phases is a longer fight than anything else in the game. Ceremonial Dagger will prevent you from burning through too many emblems and getting stuck. Pellet just heals the dagger damage without wasting a Gourd charge.
Gokan's Sugar: Safer blocking against Isshin's long combos. Activate this in between phases. If you need to re-activate it mid-fight, Purple Fume Spark is the way to do that.
Bite Down: Don't die the ordinary way on Phase 3, if you can help it. Bite Down allows you to resurrect without requiring another Deathblow to reset your charge. If you plan to use this strategy you should always just L1 your deaths on Phase 1 and 2. The best way to use this is immediately after poisoning Isshin with Sabimaru. Wait for five heartbeats then resurrect so he takes as much poison damage as possible, then poison him again.
Eel Liver: Phase 4 is all about Lightning Reversals. Use this immediately after the deathblow in Phase 3.
Aged Feather Mist Raven/Loaded umbrella Magnet: I prefer Mist Raven but either works here. Both bosses have projectile attacks that do huge posture damage when guarded, it's better to just use a defensive prosthetic tool. Genichiro damn near kills himself with his long combo if you deflect all the hits with Umbrella, but that shouldn't be necessary if you're using Fistful of Ash. Mist Raven is a little better for Isshin specifically, since it can be hard to predict his gun attack and you can activate Mist Raven as soon as you start blocking or taking damage to save yourself. It also gives you a better out when he does his sheathed Ashina Cross attack, as you can teleport to the left or right for an easier time dodging the follow up. Wait for the glint, then activate.
Purple Fume Spark: Purely to give yourself a breather and find the time to use items mid-fight. Don't go crazy, here. You really want to conserve emblems for Sabimaru, which is the single most effective weapon against Isshin.
Sabimaru: Isshin is vulnerable to poison. How cool is that? You never see a final boss that has status vulnerabilities. This is the best way to chip down his health so that you can actually start to build his posture meter, short of just memorizing his moveset and perfectly deflecting everything. Bite Down helps here, as I said, to buy more time for the poison to do its work. You should have plenty stocked up since there's only like three other places in the whole game where Bite Down is useful. Otherwise, the Hidden Tooth does the exact same thing if you found it. Isshin only has one or two attacks that can poise through Sabimaru hits; most of the time he will stagger until the full combo is complete. You should use the follow-up attack as soon as you see the poison status activate or not at all, as he'll punish it in every other case.
Combat Art: not many opportunities to use this in the fight. After a lightning reversal you can get anything you want, including the bigger charge-up attacks like Mortal Draw and Ichimonji. I don't really like spending emblems here but its an option. High Monk lets you high-profile all of his horizontal wind attacks in every phase (you can also use the conventional jump kick attack to get above them, if you're close enough) and punish his gun attacks if you can predict them. Do not use it after his Ashina Cross, as the attack is 100% vertical and will catch you anywhere in the air. Floating Passage is a bit of a cheese strat for Genichiro and Isshin's first phase, both of which are vulnerable to staggered attacks with slight delays between each hit. Whirlwind Slash lets you chip through Isshin's insane blocking but make sure you do it at the end of his combos in Phase 2 or he'll easily punish it.
The basic rule with all forms of Isshin is that you don't want to actually let him get a deflection on you. In most cases this means attacking one time only. There are very few bosses in the game that punish you for wailing on them until they're forced to deflect. Isshin is the exception. It's generally safe to go for two hits if you're using Whirlwind or Floating Passage, although both have issues. Your basic gameplan is to attack once and then deflect the next thing. Once you get this pattern down the fight is just as trivial as anything else you've learned how to do. Each phase has its own rhythm and surprises but it's hard to spell out exactly what to do next until you can feel it in practice. One hint I'll give you for Isshin's first phase though is that you can stuff the PA he does after the first attack if you wait a beat. He'll start walking to your right, you'll see the PA icon, and just hit R1 again to stop the attack cold and get some free damage.
Healing Gourd: Obvious. Drink this to heal. Very dangerous to do this against Isshin however. That's why we have Purple Fume Spark. Isshin will cover huge distances to punish you for healing, and his AI seems to react to you activating the Gourd. Ordinary Fireworks have a habit of going off a little too quickly to catch him when he does his dash-in attack, so Purple Fume is a bit better. Either can work though, just with stricter timing.
Fistful of Ash: Doesn't work on Isshin, but it does work on Genichiro. Specifically, it prevents him from charging up his Mortal Strike and from continuing his very long, multi-hit combo. By now you should be able to recognize the startup for both of those attacks. Keep Fistful of Ash as your active item during this fight so you can throw it as quickly as possible. Obviously this is another opportunity to heal against Genichiro, and it's better than Fireworks since it saves you emblems for Isshin and also because Purple Fume Spark is actually a bit slow against Genichiro.
Ceremonial Dagger and Pellet: Four phases is a longer fight than anything else in the game. Ceremonial Dagger will prevent you from burning through too many emblems and getting stuck. Pellet just heals the dagger damage without wasting a Gourd charge.
Gokan's Sugar: Safer blocking against Isshin's long combos. Activate this in between phases. If you need to re-activate it mid-fight, Purple Fume Spark is the way to do that.
Bite Down: Don't die the ordinary way on Phase 3, if you can help it. Bite Down allows you to resurrect without requiring another Deathblow to reset your charge. If you plan to use this strategy you should always just L1 your deaths on Phase 1 and 2. The best way to use this is immediately after poisoning Isshin with Sabimaru. Wait for five heartbeats then resurrect so he takes as much poison damage as possible, then poison him again.
Eel Liver: Phase 4 is all about Lightning Reversals. Use this immediately after the deathblow in Phase 3.
Aged Feather Mist Raven/Loaded umbrella Magnet: I prefer Mist Raven but either works here. Both bosses have projectile attacks that do huge posture damage when guarded, it's better to just use a defensive prosthetic tool. Genichiro damn near kills himself with his long combo if you deflect all the hits with Umbrella, but that shouldn't be necessary if you're using Fistful of Ash. Mist Raven is a little better for Isshin specifically, since it can be hard to predict his gun attack and you can activate Mist Raven as soon as you start blocking or taking damage to save yourself. It also gives you a better out when he does his sheathed Ashina Cross attack, as you can teleport to the left or right for an easier time dodging the follow up. Wait for the glint, then activate.
Purple Fume Spark: Purely to give yourself a breather and find the time to use items mid-fight. Don't go crazy, here. You really want to conserve emblems for Sabimaru, which is the single most effective weapon against Isshin.
Sabimaru: Isshin is vulnerable to poison. How cool is that? You never see a final boss that has status vulnerabilities. This is the best way to chip down his health so that you can actually start to build his posture meter, short of just memorizing his moveset and perfectly deflecting everything. Bite Down helps here, as I said, to buy more time for the poison to do its work. You should have plenty stocked up since there's only like three other places in the whole game where Bite Down is useful. Otherwise, the Hidden Tooth does the exact same thing if you found it. Isshin only has one or two attacks that can poise through Sabimaru hits; most of the time he will stagger until the full combo is complete. You should use the follow-up attack as soon as you see the poison status activate or not at all, as he'll punish it in every other case.
Combat Art: not many opportunities to use this in the fight. After a lightning reversal you can get anything you want, including the bigger charge-up attacks like Mortal Draw and Ichimonji. I don't really like spending emblems here but its an option. High Monk lets you high-profile all of his horizontal wind attacks in every phase (you can also use the conventional jump kick attack to get above them, if you're close enough) and punish his gun attacks if you can predict them. Do not use it after his Ashina Cross, as the attack is 100% vertical and will catch you anywhere in the air. Floating Passage is a bit of a cheese strat for Genichiro and Isshin's first phase, both of which are vulnerable to staggered attacks with slight delays between each hit. Whirlwind Slash lets you chip through Isshin's insane blocking but make sure you do it at the end of his combos in Phase 2 or he'll easily punish it.
The basic rule with all forms of Isshin is that you don't want to actually let him get a deflection on you. In most cases this means attacking one time only. There are very few bosses in the game that punish you for wailing on them until they're forced to deflect. Isshin is the exception. It's generally safe to go for two hits if you're using Whirlwind or Floating Passage, although both have issues. Your basic gameplan is to attack once and then deflect the next thing. Once you get this pattern down the fight is just as trivial as anything else you've learned how to do. Each phase has its own rhythm and surprises but it's hard to spell out exactly what to do next until you can feel it in practice. One hint I'll give you for Isshin's first phase though is that you can stuff the PA he does after the first attack if you wait a beat. He'll start walking to your right, you'll see the PA icon, and just hit R1 again to stop the attack cold and get some free damage.
My only other piece of advice is to ignore some of the bafflingly terrible cheese strats that are floating around on YouTube. They all take four times as long to execute and you will burn out instantly if he kills you just before you kill him or something. If get the first phase down pat, try using Ceremonial Dagger and Yashikaru's Sugar together to get through in under a minute. Just L1 if you die. You'll save yourself a ton of time in the course of the full attempt.
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V1LÆM
Gold Member
firecracker yes. it doesn't seem to do anything but give me a chance to attack him. i have it upgraded.
not tried ichimonji.
#Phonepunk#
Banned
Having a tough time with the final two bosses DOH and normal ending twofer.
So I started a new game so I could play from the start and try for another ending
Really love how open this game is right from the start
So I started a new game so I could play from the start and try for another ending
Really love how open this game is right from the start
Shifty
Member
Doing Firecracker -> Ichimonji (charged, if you have the time) is a handy way to deal big-ish damage and reset some of your posture bar. Makes it less risky to block stuff and lets you stay in close.
GenericUser
Member
I just killed that ninja in that subway passage right below ashina outskirts. 4th try, kinda easy to be honest. I felt like this during the fight.
When this game works man, then you feel like the alpha and the omega.
When this game works man, then you feel like the alpha and the omega.
nkarafo
Member
HOLY SHIT
I just beat the final boss.... and not only that, the winning run had me with 7 healing droughts left!
And no cheese... proper deflects, counters and the like...
Poisoning the second phase to make it end faster was the key... I was able to beat the first two phases very fast most of the times so that gave me plenty of opportunities to practice the third phase. And the fourth was just like the third
Still can't believe i managed to do it so perfectly, boss only landed like 5 or 6 hits in the whole run. Pretty sure i can do it again, too bad there isn't a boss select mode where you can easily replay them...
Thanks everyone for your tips.
I just beat the final boss.... and not only that, the winning run had me with 7 healing droughts left!
And no cheese... proper deflects, counters and the like...
Poisoning the second phase to make it end faster was the key... I was able to beat the first two phases very fast most of the times so that gave me plenty of opportunities to practice the third phase. And the fourth was just like the third
but easier thanks to the lighting doing a lot of damage to the boss, plus stagger.
Still can't believe i managed to do it so perfectly, boss only landed like 5 or 6 hits in the whole run. Pretty sure i can do it again, too bad there isn't a boss select mode where you can easily replay them...
Thanks everyone for your tips.
So excited right now, time for NG+.
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Vawn
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No. And you can't make me.