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Senate healthcare repeal bill fails - Collins, Murkowski, and McCain voted no

mckmas8808

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Jobbs said:
It's not that weird. He probably wanted it dead. If he voted no the first time turtleman would just come back with another bill and the process would keep going. Now they can't take another stab at doing this under reconciliation because it went up for a vote.
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Brandon F said:
Not entirely. Puts the matter to a vote so it is on the official record and hinders the ability for McConnell to jam in something else under reconciliation(which is now off the table).

Had McCain given signs earlier that he was voting No, then McConnell would have pulled the vote and they would keep delaying this mess further. Of course, this is just one explanation, but it is consistent with McCain's pre-BCRA vote speech.
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WOW! McCain with the true 11th dimensional chess play.
 
DietRob

DietRob

i've been begging for over 5 years.
Robdraggoo said:
Is this parody, what is this? Are these your actual thought (or lack there of) there is so much blatantly wrong here
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I'm convinced it was nothing more than a big juicy work that most all of us bit. He hasn't posted since. Probably won't.
 
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The Lamp

Member
JeTmAn81 said:
"Human trafficking is at its worst point"

Django wants a word about that...

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There are more people enslaved today than there ever were thanks to modern human trafficking, so yeah it is reasonable to say it's at its worst in a way.
 
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B-Dubs

No Scrubs
The Lamp said:
There are more people enslaved today than there ever were thanks to modern human trafficking, so yeah it is reasonable to say it's at its worst in a way.
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There's also more people in the world today than at any other point in history. Unless there's a country whose economy is based on human trafficking it's not really something you can say.
 
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LakeEarth

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DietRob said:
I'm convinced it was nothing more than a big juicy work that most all of us bit. He hasn't posted since. Probably won't.
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Either a joke, or someone that is too far gone to be argued with. He called Trump pro-LGBT just TWO DAYS after he banned transgendered from military service. If he's serious, he's on a new level of delusional.
 
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fredrancour

Member
flkraven said:
The thing that confuses me is, if this was 5D chess then why did McCain vote yes on the shitty repeal/replace plan?
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Presumably if he was actually strategically retaliating against trump/McConnell, it was in his best interest to wait until the party plan was 50+ pence so that he could turn and force the bill to be shelved
 
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ultron87

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It's probably just some weird parliamentary rule thing, but how was the vote that happened last night one that killed the bill along with future reconciliation attempts for the year, but the two from the previous days where they voted on the BCRA and the Repeal Only bill not that?
 
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mike6467

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flkraven said:
The thing that confuses me is, if this was 5D chess then why did McCain vote yes on the shitty repeal/replace plan?
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I thought that if he didn't, then they never would've had this vote, and they would've had another opportunity to use the budget reconciliation clause where maybe the votes were more secure?

I'd like further explanation here, because at first glance it looks like Mccain voted to get to this point so he could switch his vote and make the GOP burn the budget reconciliation card, so they'd need 60 votes on anything going forward.

I haven't had a chance to look at it in any depth, but that was my first thought. It seems like that probably isn't what happened though (if it is then this whole thing is even more amazing).
 
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androvsky

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flkraven said:
The thing that confuses me is, if this was 5D chess then why did McCain vote yes on the shitty repeal/replace plan?
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If he voted no on that, then McConnell and Pence would have an extra day to lean on Collins, Murkowsky, and him, or worse, not put up the reconciliation bill up for a vote at all so they could try again in the fall. The crappy repeal/replace bill wasn't a reconcilliation bill afaik.
 
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Armaros

Member
androvsky said:
If he voted no on that, then McConnell and Pence would have an extra day to lean on Collins, Murkowsky, and him, or worse, not put up the reconciliation bill up for a vote at all so they could try again in the fall. The crappy repeal/replace bill wasn't a reconcilliation bill afaik.
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The full repeal and replace broke reconciliation rules and thus was put to the full 60 majority needed vote, and as sent to die.
 
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dragonchild

Banned
flkraven said:
The thing that confuses me is, if this was 5D chess then why did McCain vote yes on the shitty repeal/replace plan?
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Earlier versions didn't have the votes to pass even if he took a stand then. If he was really playing Senate-fu, voting no then would've showed his cards early. Congressional votes are typically highly orchestrated events; as often as not party whips will negotiate on who votes yea or nay to protect incumbents (many "moderates" have had long careers playing this cynical game) as much as figuring out if it has votes to pass in the first place. Every vote was accounted for, or so they thought. The situation is completely different if they had any reason to believe McCain wasn't on their side.

I'm not 100% convinced McCain was deliberately this clever, but at least in terms of results, the betrayal was huge. This one was the one McConnell was confident had the votes to pass. This was the Red State Wedding.
 
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flkraven

Member
androvsky said:
If he voted no on that, then McConnell and Pence would have an extra day to lean on Collins, Murkowsky, and him, or worse, not put up the reconciliation bill up for a vote at all so they could try again in the fall. The crappy repeal/replace bill wasn't a reconcilliation bill afaik.
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mike6467 said:
I thought that if he didn't, then they never would've had this vote, and they would've had another opportunity to use the budget reconciliation clause where maybe the votes were more secure?

I'd like further explanation here, because at first glance it looks like Mccain voted to get to this point so he could switch his vote and make the GOP burn the budget reconciliation card, so they'd need 60 votes on anything going forward.

I haven't had a chance to look at it in any depth, but that was my first thought. It seems like that probably isn't what happened though (if it is then this whole thing is even more amazing).
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You are confusing what I'm asking. I understand why he voted yes to bring it to the floor for a debate, but afterwards there were votes on 3 different packages. Repeal/replace, clean repeal, and skinny repeal. All 3 failed, but McCain only voted No on clean repeal and Skinny. He actually voted yes for repeal/replace, so if that vote had 50, he would have been responsible for helping it pass.

dragonchild said:
If he was really playing Senate-fu that would've showed his cards early. These votes are typically highly orchestrated events; as often as not party whips will negotiate on who votes yea or nay to protect incumbents as much as figuring out if it has votes to pass in the first place. The situation is completely different if they had any reason to believe McCain wasn't on their side.

Earlier versions didn't have the votes to pass even if he took a stand then. This one was the one McConnell was confident had the votes to pass. This was the Red State Wedding.
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So did they 'whip' him as a yes? And he hit them with the chair?

fredrancour said:
Presumably if he was actually strategically retaliating against trump/McConnell, it was in his best interest to wait until the party plan was 50+ pence so that he could turn and force the bill to be shelved
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Plausible I guess, but seems super risky.
 
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Xe4

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I think people are overthinking McCain's vote a bit. He voted yes to open debate so different options and consider them. When none would pass they tried the skinny repeal which would pass even when everyone thought it was a horrid idea. McCain thought it was a bad idea too, and was in the correct position having gotten reelected in 2016 and with cancer so that there was no way he could get primaried for his vote. Thus, he was free to vote no on the shit bill, and that's what he did. No 5-D chess required.
FeenixRising said:
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Everyone's thoughts on the vote and McCain aside, I hope we can all agree this is pretty great, lol.
 
Vic_Viper

Vic_Viper

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So what happens now with Trumpcare? This obviously wasnt the end of it. Is there another vote scheduled? Or do they finally start working with Dems on finding a solution?
 
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Vixdean

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Vic_Viper said:
So what happens now with Trumpcare? This obviously wasnt the end of it. Is there another vote scheduled? Or do they finally start working with Dems on finding a solution?
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The effort to pass healthcare reform with solely Republican votes is dead for 2017, at least.
 
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phaze

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Not very well appraised of US politics but that stuff about McCain blocking the repeal for an entire year at least is some of the most sly things I've ever heard of in politics.

Makes that thread full of people throwing their venom on him both funny and sad at the same time.
 
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Autodidact

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Murkowski would've had a much more difficult write-in campaign if she'd relied on some of you people to spell her name.

"Murkoswky," really?
 
Vic_Viper

Vic_Viper

Member
OriginofHysteria said:
They have to work with Dems now and I believe they need 60 votes now.
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Thank god. I love how McConnell labels Dems solution as Socialist/European Healthcare right after loosing the vote. Cant wait to see Fox trying to sell their viewers on the idea that the Dems only want Socialist Healthcare.
 
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Spiritual_Chaos

Banned
Vic_Viper said:
Thank god. I love how McConnell labels Dems solution as Socialist/European Healthcare right after loosing the vote. Cant wait to see Fox trying to sell their viewers on the idea that the Dems only want Socialist Healthcare.
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Maybe Democrats should give a try owning that stance of "European healthcare". There's a lot of statistics to use in their favour.
 
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Autodidact

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Vic_Viper said:
Thank god. I love how McConnell labels Dems solution as Socialist/European Healthcare right after loosing the vote. Cant wait to see Fox trying to sell their viewers on the idea that the Dems only want Socialist Healthcare.
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They've been sold on that idea since about 2009. You don't remember the doomsday proclamations about the ACA being "SOCIALIZED MEDICINE"?
 
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blackflag

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phaze said:
Not very well appraised of US politics but that stuff about McCain blocking the repeal for an entire year at least is some of the most sly things I've ever heard of in politics.

Makes that thread full of people throwing their venom on him both funny and sad at the same time.
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its not sly. he did the right thing not for the right reason. he fully wants obamacare repealed. ill give him credit for not voting for last nights piece of shit bill but dont think he wants to keep obamacare or that he is in any way progressive.
 
BFIB

BFIB

Member
Just to add some fuel on the fire burning, today would be a great day for a damning Friday Oppo surprise.

Just to lay it on extra thick.
 
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KoopaTheCasual

Junior Member
Autodidact said:
Murkowski would've had a much more difficult write-in campaign if she'd relied on some of you people to spell her name.

"Murkoswky," really?
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This, tho.

Why have I seen her name misspelled so many times in the past few days? I thought it was like a meme or something. It's not even a difficult last name.
 
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Hilbert

Deep into his 30th decade
phaze said:
Not very well appraised of US politics but that stuff about McCain blocking the repeal for an entire year at least is some of the most sly things I've ever heard of in politics.

Makes that thread full of people throwing their venom on him both funny and sad at the same time.
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right now it is fiction until McCain says that's why he did it.
 
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teh_pwn

"Saturated fat causes heart disease as much as Brawndo is what plants crave."
Good for McCain. I still think he needs to consider stepping down as his condition will rapidly decline.

I also wonder if everyone that virtually cheered for his death feel any remorse.
 
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Xe4

Banned
KoopaTheCasual said:
This, tho.

Why have I seen her name misspelled so many times in the past few days? I thought it was like a meme or something. It's not even a difficult last name.
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It's hard to remember how to spell, especially if you don't see her name appearing much. It sounds like a "y" at the end instead of an "i".
 
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abundant

Member
thecouncil said:
Oh, I've heard that one before. haha.
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It's true this time. McConnell has exhausted all of his attempts to force the bill with just 50 votes, so for the remainder of the year, he'll need 60 votes in order to pass any repeal and replace bill, which can only happen with Democrats support.
 
smokeymicpot

smokeymicpot

Beat EviLore at pool.
teh_pwn said:
Good for McCain. I still think he needs to consider stepping down as his condition will rapidly decline.

I also wonder if everyone that virtually cheered for his death feel any remorse.
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He can still till he needs to officially give up the seat.
 
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