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Senate healthcare repeal bill fails - Collins, Murkowski, and McCain voted no

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Shoeless

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So... will Fox, Breitbart, Infowars and other Real News outlets even acknowledge that this vote happened, or will they simply not cover it, thus leaving Trump supporters secure in the knowledge that the it actually got repealed because only Fake News announced it?
 
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faisal233

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teh_pwn said:
Good for McCain. I still think he needs to consider stepping down as his condition will rapidly decline.

I also wonder if everyone that virtually cheered for his death feel any remorse.
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Nah, they are in this thread spinning the catostrophic demise of ACA repeal this year at the hands of McCain as some sort of accident. McCain accidentally outmanuvered McConnell in parliamentary procedure.
 
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Xe4

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abundant said:
It's true this time. McConnell has exhausted all of his attempts to force the bill with just 50 votes, so for the remainder of the year, he'll need 60 votes in order to pass any repeal and replace bill, which can only happen with Democrats support.
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Source? The only thing I've heard is about considering one reconciliation bill a year, not whether that includes just voting on it or passing it.

Anyhow, they can use budget reconciliation again, but it has to be after they deal with this year's budget.
 
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commedieu

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Shoeless said:
So... will Fox, Breitbart, Infowars and other Real News outlets even acknowledge that this vote happened, or will they simply not cover it, thus leaving Trump supporters secure in the knowledge that the it actually got repealed because only Fake News announced it?
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No time.

We are going to WAR with North Korea!!!
 
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TraBuch

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blackflag said:
its not sly. he did the right thing not for the right reason. he fully wants obamacare repealed. ill give him credit for not voting for last nights piece of shit bill but dont think he wants to keep obamacare or that he is in any way progressive.
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I don't see why that matters. He wants to replace Obamacare with another plan, but he refuses to remove Obamacare without anything in place.

Is repealing Obamacare inherently a bad thing if they have something in place that both sides agree to? That's a serious question. I have my own insurance so I'm not sure of the specifics.
 
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Armaros

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Xe4 said:
Source? The only thing I've heard is about considering one reconciliation bill a year, not whether that includes just voting on it or passing it.

Anyhow, they can use budget reconciliation again, but it has to be after they deal with this year's budget.
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You think a budget would be simple? After how awful the proposed trump budget was? By the time a new budget is passed, campaign season begins, lets see if the GOP want to do this again in the middle of midterm elections.
 
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terencecah

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abundant said:
It's true this time. McConnell has exhausted all of his attempts to force the bill with just 50 votes, so for the remainder of the year, he'll need 60 votes in order to pass any repeal and replace bill, which can only happen with Democrats support.
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Can't they just make a new bill and start all over, like net neutrality?
 
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teh_pwn

"Saturated fat causes heart disease as much as Brawndo is what plants crave."
Xe4 said:
Source? The only thing I've heard is about considering one reconciliation bill a year, not whether that includes just voting on it or passing it.

Anyhow, they can use budget reconciliation again, but it has to be after they deal with this year's budget.
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I'm not entirely understanding this. They need 60 votes unless there is a budget reduction? Has that requirement passed the point of no return?

If so, that's great. Time to remove Trump from office and at least make the bill way less horrible if it passes in 2018.
 
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DarkJediKnight

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Chaotic-Strike said:
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Ha Ha.
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Go fuck yourself! I've never seen anyone flip flop so much in my life. Can't wait for his next tweet which is going to be a reversal of this one.
 
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Fenderputty

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Xe4 said:
I think people are overthinking McCain's vote a bit. He voted yes to open debate so different options and consider them. When none would pass they tried the skinny repeal which would pass even when everyone thought it was a horrid idea. McCain thought it was a bad idea too, and was in the correct position having gotten reelected in 2016 and with cancer so that there was no way he could get primaried for his vote. Thus, he was free to vote no on the shit bill, and that's what he did. No 5-D chess required.


Everyone's thoughts on the vote and McCain aside, I hope we can all agree this is pretty great, lol.
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Everyone, including McCain, knew that no amount of "amendments" was going to make that pieced together shit show of a bill worth a damn.
 
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Fenderputty

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teh_pwn said:
I'm not entirely understanding this. They need 60 votes unless there is a budget reduction? Has that requirement passed the point of no return?

If so, that's great. Time to remove Trump from office and at least make the bill way less horrible if it passes in 2018.
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They can only use reconciliation (to avoid 60 votes) once a year per topic on three topics. One you try and fail you need to pass another budget resolution before you can try again via reconciliation. If they don't do that, they need 60. They won't have time to work on a budget resolution, then tax reform, then the debt ceiling etc etc this year. They'll have to wait until next year, most likely, to try again. Which is kinda unclear since 2018 is an election year.
 
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Nasbin

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Jobbs said:
I'm disappointed in Lindsey Graham. Why would he vote yes on such a piece of shit?

In any case, good on McCain, and once again folks who depend on the ACA can breathe a temporary sigh of relief
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My charitable interpretation: he knew his best friend was going to fall on his sword for this, so he got to preserve his political capital with the 'gesture' of voting yes to check the box on this piece of shit with the assurance it would never actually reach Paul Ryan for him to weasel it into law.

Remember that Graham was primaried in 2014 for daring to work with Dems on immigration reform, the guy is aware of how tenuous his position can be in the insanity that is the modern Republican party.
 
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Condom

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teh_pwn said:
Good for McCain. I still think he needs to consider stepping down as his condition will rapidly decline.

I also wonder if everyone that virtually cheered for his death feel any remorse.
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Yes because this vote totally makes McCain a good person.
 
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Relentless 757

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Condom said:
Yes because this vote totally makes McCain a good person.
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Well, the primary justification for many people's apathy, or even content, in the other thread with McCain's brain cancer diagnosis was that he was willing to trash healthcare. I understand these sentiments, but he voted no.

I don't agree with many of his political alignments, but he is clearly not some evil man.
 
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