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Senate votes 98-2 to send Russia sanctions to Trump's desk (Paul/Sanders voted No)
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thanks for the hot take
Isn't this in retaliation to Russia antagonizing allies?
Hasphat'sAnts
Member
It becomes law if he doesn't sign it....
Regurgitated hot takes that don't make sense for $600, Alex.
PeakPointMatrix
Member
As far as I understand it, most of our diplomatic machinery falls under the purview of the executive branch. When it's the legislative branch making this move, perhaps there is some difficulty involved?
BlackLagoon
Member
This is an expansion/continuation of the sanctions against Iran for their ballistic missile program. They're unrelated to the nuclear treaty.
I remember my first hot take.
ultracal31
You don't get to bring friends.
So he'll do exactly what I just guessed...
Bonus points if he throws some shade at Session
dragonelite
Member
I think the democrats would have handled this more professionally, because the white house would not be a shit show like it is right now.
Imperfected
Member
I can understand being apprehensive on Iran given the recent statements attributed to Trump about trying to intentionally find fault with their treaty check-ups.
I think you probably still vote on this with the realization it isn't going to fail and a protest-vote here does less good than raising the issue elsewhere, though.
I think you probably still vote on this with the realization it isn't going to fail and a protest-vote here does less good than raising the issue elsewhere, though.
Muffin1611
Banned
It's primarily because of Russias hacking efforts in the US election, I think. Sanctions were already set in place after Crimea got annexed, by the US and the EU as an coordination effort.
He's right about the second part, y'know
That's for sure. If an actually competent president were sitting in office, coordination would be way more likely.
On the other hand, it's a lot better than your proposed response which is to try to see it from Russia's point of view.
SolarPowered
Member
All this makes sense. It doesn't help that Europe seems pissed about not being kept in the loop either.
That's what i mean. People don't want the US to do this because it will antagonize allies. But this is being done because one of the EU's allies are being antagonized.
What makes it worse is government can't coordinate the way it should because our president is only allies with Russia... who truly aren't allies to anyone.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Sanders?
Fucking gay blade coward..
Fucking gay blade coward..
Psychoward
Banned
No
Muffin1611
Banned
You're right, and it's not a good look for the EU that they're dependent on Russia when it comes to gas (admittedly, they didn't have much time to change that yet, but it's still not progressing as it should), but just "doing something" isn't the best idea either.
I'd rather have them urging Trump to lead coordination efforts. Doesn't hurt to try.
Pretty much. Ideally, our president could coordinate with the EU, but hey! Dude wants to be buddies with Russia. Also need to prevent him from lifting sanctions.
LegendofJoe
Member
What did they expect? We have a deranged moron who may or may not be compromised as our president. He doesn't even keep our military commanders in the loop.
Netherscourge
Banned
If he vetoes it, two things happen.
1. It passes anyway.
2. Makes him look that much more like a Putin stooge boy.
So, what the hell! Veto it, Cheeto! Just keep digging that grave.
1. It passes anyway.
2. Makes him look that much more like a Putin stooge boy.
So, what the hell! Veto it, Cheeto! Just keep digging that grave.
30yearsofhurt
Member
Is this your first time in OT?
'Congress trying to take too much power from President. No Sense! Why has AG Sessions allowed this to happen! NO SENSE!'
Afaik the bill was Russia only until republicans amended it to include Russia and others as a distraction
Literally the entire point of this bill is that Trump cannot be trusted because he was colluding with Russia. Did you like just wake up from a coma?
It does hurt actually. Why waste time arguing to a brick wall to move when you can just walk around it.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-sanctions-idUSKBN1AC1U8
Hope he releases some dirt on the orange fuck face.
Yikes, what a post. Enjoy the wait, lol
Hasphat'sAnts
Member
Ahahahaha. Good luck with that.
Muffin1611
Banned
He's the fucking president. It's his job to listen to allies and work with them. Regardless of him being a Russian stooge, Congress should do ALL they can to make him meet with allies to work on this, even if it means him just nodding and his advisors doing the actual work.
I'm sorry that I expect basic tasks of the highest American office to be performed.
Because behind the brick wall are your allies waiting to jump on you for throwing them under the bus instead of working together to break it.
You don't understand how Trump works. The more you urge him to do something the more it pisses him off.
shawnbuddy
Member
Fuckin' Bernie, man.
You clearly know nothing about Trump if you think this is even remotely feasible with him.
Muffin1611
Banned
So "doing something" is your solution to this, yeah? Great.
The world apparently needs to come to terms with the fact that you can't work with the US on anything major anymore, and instead the US will at best try measures which piss off their allies and end up in them fighting over it, while Russia is just looking at the mess from afar.
Netherscourge
Banned
He has no allies.
He wants no allies.
He hates anyone who doesn't give him 100% support, regardless of how stupid his agenda is.
PanicFreak
Member
Jesus Bernie.
So far we've got an upheaval in our state department with most of our senior diplomats let go, tons of executive appointments yet to be filled, profiteering off of a government position, a stolen Supreme Court seat, exit from the Paris accords, a federal ban discriminating entry to the United States on the basis of religion, healthcare for millions of Americans on a tightrope, and an erosion of the civil liberties we've worked hard to build up over the past decade...
...and you want a Republican Congress, with power it doesn't have, to make the President to meet with our allies, whom he doesn't like, in order to coordinate sanctions against the Russian government that enabled his electoral win, which he doesn't want to do.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
Bernie Sanders is messed up, period point blank. Who knows what's rattling around in there.
Bernie's been known to vote no on certain parts of a bill that he doesn't like. In this case, he wasn't a fan of adding sanctions to Iran out of possibly fucking up the nuclear deal.
Of course you would know this if you actually read the fucking reasoning instead of just making hot takes based on one sentence.
I'm not saying I agree with the bill's contents per say, but Donald Trump cannot be trusted with Russian sanctions and he cannot be muzzled to just let aides and allies do things as he's shown that won't work. You don't seem to understand this. Believe me, I wish it wasn't like this, either, but it is.
Yes, but he does not want to do that and probably isn't capable of it.
I feel like you're not really getting this.
Trump will not meet with European allies to work against Russia because Trump wants to work with Russia against America's European allies.
Every trip he's taken to Europe has been explicitly to demonstrate exactly that. He literally went to the G-20 to have an ostentatious, unminuted meeting with Putin in front of all the other European leaders.
He's not going to nod while his advisors do the work, he's going to actively betray any confidences Europe places in him to Russia immediately. He has literally already done this with other allies.
There's a reason that this bill explicitly takes away Trump's power to unilaterally lift the sanctions. It's because we assumed he would do it.
It's nice to have expectations. They just, you know, need to be tempered with perceptions of reality.
Bernie embodies making perfect the enemy of good
Muffin1611
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I fully understand that it isn't probable. But that THIS is the alternative that they go along with without thinking of the effects this will have is astonishing to me.
Then why the fuck is your government going ahead with a half-assed solution like this instead when basic coordination isn't possible anymore and y'all are just like: "At least it will make Trump look bad when he tries to veto it!"
It seems...pretty whole-assed to me? It puts very severe sanctions on Russia and prevents Trump from removing them. That's pretty much the goal. What's the missing ass, in your view?
Muffin1611
Banned
What's missing is the consideration that this will threaten EU energy security, which pretty much guarantuees the EU side fighting these sanctions, since they're gonna suffer from it along with Russia.
I mean, if the EU want to protect Russia so that Russia can continue interfering with the sovereign politics of EU nations, I guess that's their choice. Seems weird to me. I would do a different thing.
Ultimately if the EU want Russia to actually stop fucking with people they should start thinking about how to actually hurt them economically. Not buying all your energy from them might be a place to start.
shawnbuddy
Member
Cool the kneejerk arrogance. I read the reasoning, and I'm familiar with Bernie Sanders' long history of bullshit. Voting based on parts of a bill instead of considering the whole is just one reason why Bernie is such an unreasonable child. Same thing as when he voted in favor of mass incarceration.