It is very silly.
I only know of two OVAs ever that have had anything to do with a story.
Most of them are noncanon fanservice bullshit, which is still okay.
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Senran Kagura Community Thread: Cuteness Is Justice, Ninjas Are Life
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It is very silly.
I only know of two OVAs ever that have had anything to do with a story.
Most of them are noncanon fanservice bullshit, which is still okay.
Space Medafighter X
Member
I haven't watched the OVA's
, but dont get me wrong I like the series in general.
I played Burst first and was expecting nothing more than what's advertised. I actually raised my eyebrows in surprise to the text parts where they go into the characters history and backgrounds, being somewhat dark and sad.
Then again I am preaching to the choir since everyone here likes the series.
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I played Burst first and was expecting nothing more than what's advertised. I actually raised my eyebrows in surprise to the text parts where they go into the characters history and backgrounds, being somewhat dark and sad.
Then again I am preaching to the choir since everyone here likes the series.
SerTapTap
Member
Stuff like this is why I wish more games discussion was aware of the difference between "story" and writing. IMO, writing is way more important than story and tons of games with simple/silly "stories" have great writing--to me, that's Senran Kagura, Hyperdimension Neptunia, Borderlands. Arguably even Uncharted--I think the writing makes those games even if the stories are somewhat simple. I'll take that over a complex but poorly written story (ahem recent final fantasy) any time.
Though as was said, the story isn't always bad either. Just a bit simple and strung over a longer period of time than usual. The back stories in Shinovi are mostly great IMO, even if the "SCHOOL FIGHT" story is extremely lame until you get to Hejibo and Crimson, and even then it's really just the last chapter where anything interesting happens. But good humorous writing even when basically nothing of note is happening is what keeps the dialog worth reading.
Dark_Tzitzimine
Member
I've always found Versus writing in genral to be very weak and at some points straight up terrible.
Everything related to Kurokage is idiotic and this in turn taints all of Gessen's writing. It doesn't help either that most of the individual stories of the Gessen girls are either paper thin or poor retreads of the same plot beats and themes introduced on Burst.
Hebijo is straight up terrible and the twins are the worst.
SerTapTap
Member
Only if you exclude the backstory, humor and character interactions...you're basically talking about the straight up story, which is exactly why I was bringing up the difference between story and writing, or we just disagree. IMO the character interactions and backstories were great even if the story itself is mostly just stretching "we must fight because we must fight" into 5 chapters across 4 schools.
Can't agree Hebijo was terrible though I know some people don't like it due to the tonal shift. It's the only story where anything happens outside of the last chapter of crimson squad, though the ending spoils it since they basically pulled a "JUST KIDDING". It was interesting to see "evil shinobi" almost actually be evil for a brief time. Hopefully they've given up on the "evil shinobi" stuff after two full games of awkwardly explaining actually there's no relevant difference. Best I can tell Estival forgoes that entirely, but it also seems entirely outside the standard storyline.
YianGaruga
Banned
So Yozakura is OP as hell, fun to play as and generally awesome. Best new girl of SV so far
Ohmygoditsjrod
Banned
Yup. Also look at how much wife material she is.
Dark_Tzitzimine
Member
Not at all.
Neither Gessen nor Hebijo have a team dynamic to speak of. There's no reason at all to believe that the Gessen girls are the family the plot tell us about. Yumi spends all of their shared screen time barking orders and doing whatever the hell she pleases, dragging the rest of them with her. The only characters that receive some development are Murakumo and Shiki.
Character-wise, Yumi is walking cliche with nothing to make her stand out between other characters from the same archetype. Yozakura is totally inconsequential in story and her character can be summed as simple waifubait. Minori has an interesting background to explore but it goes nowhere. Shiki is by far the best developed character on the Gessen side but even then, her importance is minimal. Murakumo's gimmick gets irritating pretty fast and her backstory is a poor attempt of combining Yomi's and Ikaruga's into one with Kumo's dynamic to those two being really forced and filled with plot holes.
Hebijo's story is terrible because things happen just because. We're led to believe that Miyabi's motivations are one for the bulk of the story just to suddenly change on the final chapter. There's simply not logic or sequence to their actions other than "look how badass we are by killing the other characters" And what is worse, their ending is just incoherent with the plot itself.
Imu as character is pretty one-note (on Versus at least) and her actions at the end are a massive asspull.
Murasaki is the best Hebijo if only because they developed her issues but even then, she's quite irritating at times.
The twins are just horrible characters. Ryoubi is an uredeemable character that doesn't grow at all through the story and just lashes at everyone who interacts with her, Ryouna has some redeeming qualities but sadly her entire character is overwhelmed by the masochist BS
And really, if you seriously believed that Burst's story was setting a real conflict between good and evil faction you misread it completely.
ShinMaruku
Member
I liked Gessen more then Hebijou. If you find the whole Kurokage thing idiotic, well that's his story arc that his orginal motivations is nuttery. But stories are different to different people and the variety of stories is probably the best for it. Hebijou was the most flat to me.
Dark_Tzitzimine
Member
But see, that is exactly the problem.
Yumi's whole character is defined by Kurokage's nonsense, and with that she drags Gessen down every time.
I'm sorry, but it is true. You already know why I hate Gessen
You know me too well.
She's definitely one of my favorites. Really fun to play and she's got fucking Big O arms.
She's also pretty cute.
I don't see the issue.
ShinMaruku
Member
I don't think so all the other girls push her in different directions and then when you find out they been trained by Hanzo too, well it's something funny.
DigitalHitmann
Banned
Im not complaining or anything but that cooking picture is a little disproportionate. Shes gonna have hunch-back by the time shes thirty if she doesnt grow a hometown to even out the balance.
ShinMaruku
Member
They will never give the girls proper asses. It may have happened for Capcom but not for these guys. I truely doubt it.
Yeah, it makes it look like her right breast is way larger than the left one.
DigitalHitmann
Banned
SerTapTap
Member
I don't really see how Crimson Squad or Hanzo are significantly better frankly, their crews are a bit more intimate but they're still a bunch of random people thrown together because they needed to be together, they've just had more focus on establishing relationship due to a more focused game. And if Kurokage is bad Hanzo (character) is the worst. No, Hanzo is just the worst. Worst part of the entire series.
The actual plot arcs have always just been simple dramatic ninja manga stuff, while Yoma are kind of cool I don't really see the "main" stuff as being significantly better plot-wise. If anything the backstories are far more interesting than any "current day" events outside of a very few dramatic scenes, usually endings.
They should collaborate with Idea Factory again, the Next Forms in Neptunia VII have pretty nice asses.
And at least it was a change of pace. Until the very ending it was the only part of the story where anyone did literally anything of note until the very end of crimson squad
. I kind of enjoy Estival Versus' focus on everyone just fucking around and enjoying themselves for most of the game because that's what they might as well have been doing 95% of the time in any of the other games.
The actual plot arcs have always just been simple dramatic ninja manga stuff, while Yoma are kind of cool I don't really see the "main" stuff as being significantly better plot-wise. If anything the backstories are far more interesting than any "current day" events outside of a very few dramatic scenes, usually endings.
They should collaborate with Idea Factory again, the Next Forms in Neptunia VII have pretty nice asses.
And at least it was a change of pace. Until the very ending it was the only part of the story where anyone did literally anything of note until the very end of crimson squad
which just ended up being a cliffhanger
ShinMaruku
Member
I think most of the love to the other squads is more to their characters appealing more to certain people. I find most of them fine so I like all the arcs. I thinka large part of Geseen hate is due to people hating Yumi
Snkfanatic
Banned
EV bible showed up today. :3
The other book is a Koufuku Graffiti artbook in case anyone was curious.
The other book is a Koufuku Graffiti artbook in case anyone was curious.
Dark_Tzitzimine
Member
And that is why they are better. Senran Kagura isn't a series with a paradygm changing plot, is a simple shonen story heavily influenced by all the classic stories that came before it. What it sets the series apart is the character interactions and personal arcs, Versus took that away and was left with a cookie cutter story that you've seen thousands of times before. And with Estival effectively retconning the small development Gessen and Hebijo got, Versus is essentially pointless now.
Hanzo has always been a background element and he has never written on a way we're supposed to feel compelled by him, unlike Kurokage, whom on Gessen's arc was all about "look at the poor guy"
And while Asuka has been inspired by Hanzo's legacy, she isn't parroting his nonsense unlike Yumi with Kurokage's
ShinMaruku
Member
Asuka has her granny moderating Hanzo's nuttery. Also damn is Sayuri's genes strong.
Asuka should grow her hair out. :3
Asuka should grow her hair out. :3
YianGaruga
Banned
I just needed to share this
the best
the best
ShinMaruku
Member
This is why she's barred from who would be best to rear children. She'd win by default.
ShinMaruku
Member
She's really the most well designed new character.
EV bible showed up today. :3
The other book is a Koufuku Graffiti artbook in case anyone was curious.
I need to watch that. All those food porn gifs have peaked my interest.
She hella cute.
DigitalHitmann
Banned
My squishy Katsu arrived today.
SK movin on up
Wonderful
Snkfanatic
Banned
I really enjoyed it! Amazing OP and ED too :3
Ohmygoditsjrod
Banned
Dat Haruka. Lawd.
In other news I finally ordered the Yagyuu figure I've been watching for. Once her and Ikaruga are delivered I will finally have all of Hanzo.
In other news I finally ordered the Yagyuu figure I've been watching for. Once her and Ikaruga are delivered I will finally have all of Hanzo.
KatamariOnTheRocks
Member
Those cards have a pretty awesome color scheme going for them.
Most cards are pretty colorful but these 2 really stand out, especially the Homura one.
All the more reason we need an updated Art book with every card released up until now.
Also wanna say thanks for posting these whenever they come out, it's always cool to see new ones.
Most cards are pretty colorful but these 2 really stand out, especially the Homura one.
All the more reason we need an updated Art book with every card released up until now.
Also wanna say thanks for posting these whenever they come out, it's always cool to see new ones.
Guess we need to call Asuka
FlyingSaucer
Banned
No fun allowed.