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September Wrasslin' |OT| Almost Brings a tear to my eye
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WCW MONDAY NITRO 6/2/96
FoF CRUSHED High Voltage and i t was rad. Regal was hilarious. RNR vs Flair/Arn was a really fun JCP tribute match, even if RNR looked old as shit even in 1996. Steiners vs Sting/Lex was a fun TV version of their Superbrawl 1 match, hurt a bit by stupid split screen shit that WCW loved to do. Over all, it was much more entertaining and exciting than the previous week. Hall shows up at the end of the show and gets slapped by Sting (who drops a Welcome to the Jungle reference, because Sting is DOPE). He promises a BIG surprise next week. Brain reveals that he won't manage Arn and Flair at GAB, but he will be their coach.
WCW MONDAY NITRO 6/2/96
- John Tenta vs Big Bubber
- High Voltage vs Faces of Fear
- Disco Inferno vs Sgt. Craig Pittman
- Steven Regal vs Jim DOOGUN
- Kevin Sullivan vs TAFKATAFKAPI
- Rock N Roll Express vs Arn Anderson/Ric Flair
- Ice Train vs The Giant WCW Championship
- Scott Norton vs Hugh Morrus
- Steiner Brothers vs Sting/Lex Luger WCW Tag Team Championships
FoF CRUSHED High Voltage and i t was rad. Regal was hilarious. RNR vs Flair/Arn was a really fun JCP tribute match, even if RNR looked old as shit even in 1996. Steiners vs Sting/Lex was a fun TV version of their Superbrawl 1 match, hurt a bit by stupid split screen shit that WCW loved to do. Over all, it was much more entertaining and exciting than the previous week. Hall shows up at the end of the show and gets slapped by Sting (who drops a Welcome to the Jungle reference, because Sting is DOPE). He promises a BIG surprise next week. Brain reveals that he won't manage Arn and Flair at GAB, but he will be their coach.
bean breath
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Re: Morrison,
Starship Pain which I constantly heard the commentators announce as Star Champagne was one of the worst moves ever. I think that shit connected with the opponent like once.
That said he was a great spot monkey and could've been somebody(maybe).
Starship Pain which I constantly heard the commentators announce as Star Champagne was one of the worst moves ever. I think that shit connected with the opponent like once.
That said he was a great spot monkey and could've been somebody(maybe).
they'll worry about that October 20th
UrbanDandy
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well that was poor research.
they only recently started drinking mountain dew.
correlation =/= causation
yeah i know its not serious but still. if anything their commentary is better with dew
lol. undertaker sent back to developmental
UrbanDandy
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I liked this review.
lovely ladies
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US Acres was a good comic strip/cartoon.
Not like they've got much choice at this point anyway, the only other option is turning Cesaro face.
lovely ladies
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That Guardians OT is craaaaaazy. It's like a mini angelfire website by itself.
No shit. That had to take him 3-4 hours or more to get all that shit. Dude is crazy.
I'm kind of sick of the narrative of "WCW steals, WWF gives guys opportunities". WCW taking ECW guys is portrayed as this terrible thing, while WWF straight up subsidizing ECW so THEY can be the ones to get those talents is totally cool. It's also portrayed as a positive thing when WWF was able to steal WCW guys. All the while never mentioning that Vince went national stealing talent from all the regional territories, even past the point when he needed to keep doing it. It's so silly. WCW did EXACTLY THE SAME THING that Vince did in the 80s. Vince will never get over that shit. So ridiculous.
It's also funny because WCW paid the luchadores and Japanese guys WAY better than Vince would have ever paid them. And there's this whole 'WCW was paranoid and all about politics' thing when WWF was the ones who had the 'you can not talk to anyone who works for WCW' rule which was beyond stupid. They're grown men. They want a contract with a guaranteed payday instead of working for Vince to maybe possibly get a chance at getting paid or maybe possibly getting a contract. To this day, I'm shocked Vince doesn't despise Nash and Hall for the whole making contracts a thing instead of the old super carny system.
The Silver
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Are they really considering not puttiing Lesnar in a HIAC?
Well if it keeps him away from Cena I'll have to live with it.
Well if it keeps him away from Cena I'll have to live with it.
Yeah, this episode of Monday Night War was tough to get through. WWE propaganda bullshit at its finest.
I think he does and only brought them back because he thought they'd make him money again. I wish they had brought up Public Enemy, who were more important of a steal than Eddie and Dean, and how they were punished and treated like shit when they went to the WWF because they took a guaranteed contract for more money and less work. Shit is a business, but those mother fuckers take everything personal. PE took the safe money and Vince hired them JUST to shit on them and let APA fuck them up, then fire them.
funkystudent
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Not putting the MMA guy on the PPV where being in a cage is the gimmick seems like a real current WWE thing to do
sf2fanatic
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Love that second gif stro. Very usable
All that episode did was made me hate WCW and WWE more. I remember Heyman on one of the Austin podcasts saying that they were never paid for their PPVs or anything and how these companies just screwed them over.
Combine that with these two companies just poaching their talent, fuck them.
Especially WCW. At least WWE used some of them (like the Dudleyz, Jericho, Eddie Guerrero) when you knew WCW wasn't gonna do shit cuz it was NWO or GTFO over there.
Combine that with these two companies just poaching their talent, fuck them.
Especially WCW. At least WWE used some of them (like the Dudleyz, Jericho, Eddie Guerrero) when you knew WCW wasn't gonna do shit cuz it was NWO or GTFO over there.
We comin for you, Ninga.
ECW stars weren't under contract. I don't see how it's poaching to say, 'Hey, we like what you're doing. Do you want to come work for us and get a contract instead of working for Paul 'I'm good for it' Heyman?'
Also always fun to have Heyman talk about his revolutionary angles and gimmick matches he was doing when ECW was just Memphis with a less impressive roster.
Also always fun to have Heyman talk about his revolutionary angles and gimmick matches he was doing when ECW was just Memphis with a less impressive roster.
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Man, EVERYONE is kind of an asshole in that ep. You have all the shit about how terrible WCW is for stealing talent while portraying WWE as doing it was a good thing. You have at least one (Mikey) that actually did seem like a spiteful signing. You have Paul taking credit for both the Atittude Era AND the nWo. Never once have I connected the nWo to ECW. Not once. That's the dumbest shit. "The nWo was ECW in WCW." Get the fuck out of here. It was literally WWF in WCW, for one, but the nWo was in no way influenced by ECW.
Then silly things like saying Dean/Eddie were responsible for the ratings going up at ECW. Shit when no one knew who they were. Paul saying those guys were hugely important to WCW at the time is also silly. I mean, they were great mid card guys, but no one knew who they were when they went to WCW. They also completely breezed over that ECW and WCW had a working relationship.
I believe maybe 50% of what Paul says about anything that isn't verified by at least 5 people, not including Tommy Dreamer and Joey Styles. EVERYTHING he says about ECW is shrouded in being a victim. Victim of WWF stealing their style, WCW stealing their wrestlers, PPV companies not paying them, TV stations treating them poorly. Always and forever.
I hate this whole wcw was the death star of wrestling propaganda that wwe constantly throwing at viewers. They talked about how Bret Hart was misused in wcw but fail to see he was awesome as a heel and had some great matches outside of the duds. It's like the entire series is an attitude era circle jerk. I know it's not saying much but I would trade Raw for a russo'ed filled Nitro any day. I'm talking about that good stick to your ribs fuckery of booking that only Mr. Swerve himself can cook up.
He said maybe it was just his ego, but the anti-establishment attitude of the nWo was just ECW in WCW.
agreed.
i didn't even really care for ECW so it's not like im just a bitter fan, i just wonder how things would be different if ecw was able to keep it's talent.
who knows, maybe Paul still would have had his company implode.
did you think anything else would happen with the series? There's a better chance Zack Ryder becomes the WWE champion than Vince ever letting WCW look good.
100% the company would have died even if they had kept all their talent and got paid the money the PPV company owed them. Because Paul was a terrible business man. They would have died years before if Vince hadn't been keeping them propped up as a pseudo developmental territory.
Bad News Brown, The Road Warriors, Hell, even the Four Horsemen. Were they not all anti-establishment in some form?
The only thing I see is probably the radicalz, jericho, stone cold, and probably wrestlemania 14 because of the whole tyson thing. I just find it pathetic they go out of their limb to shit on wcw but "HEY GUISE...SIGN UP AND YOU'LL SEE 100 HOURS OF NITRO!".
Sibersk Esto
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It's weird how personal Vince takes WCW, like how fucking DARE another wrestling company exist and be popular.
The problem with ECW was the fact that Paul wanted to expand so badly to the point where it bled finances. If he would have kept it local ala ROH and build up slow but steady...the company would have lasted longer than a few years.
I can't remember what it was about. I think it was a lawsuit Vince lost or something, but in one of his shoots, Nash talks about how Vince lost some money. And that Vince never holds a grudge unless you take money from him. And during that, Nash said you would just hear Vince grumbling, 'That's my fucking money'
sf2fanatic
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I really didn't follow early ECW. What were some decent matches?
Growing up in philly ECW was the shit. I remember seeing it for the first time on this new york sports channel and it blew my mind. 95-97 were the golden years of the promotion while 98-00 was enduring a downpour because of talent going to WCW/WWF of course.
Some of my favorite matches:
Sabu vs Tazz at Barely Legal
Sabu vs Terry Funk in a barbed wire match
Tommy Dreamer Vs Raven at Cyberslam 97
Rey Jr vs Psychosis- Mexican Death Match
Public Enemy vs The Gangstas at Heatwave 95
Taz vs Bam Bam Living Dangerously 1998
Sabu & Hakushi(Jinsei Shinzaki) vs RVD & Sabu Heatwave 1998
Tanaka vs Awesome though it's Rock vs Mankind levels of hard to watch sometimes
Tajiri vs Psicosis
Tajiri vs Super Crazy
That's about it. I'd struggle to find more. I could mention some Eddie, Dean, Benoit matches, but let's be honest, those three are more of those that did far more in WCW and WWE than they ever did in ECW no matter how much Paul likes to try to shove them in as ECW guys. They never were.
Bret Hart was an awful heel in WCW, injured more often than not, and his good matches can be counted on one hand compared to the whole crapload of mediocre to bad matches. He was in fact completely wasted in WCW. He got off on the wrong foot with that whole angle.
I stand by that if Sting went over clean at Starrcade 1997 then they could have done a real world champion feud with him and Bret that would have killed it at Superbrawl...instead we got a bunch of shitty matches from Bret...when they even bothered using him at all.
The thing that is really silly is that they do give compliments to WCW, but only in a back handed way. It's always "WWE's ratings were faultering due to uninteresting and cartoony characters, while WCW's ratings were on the rise due to engaging programing after acquisition of WWE stars. According to WWE history, ECW was more important to WWF changing anything than WCW. Not the nWo. ECW. Once you get into mid 1997 or so, then it becomes WCW was successful due to stolen ECW talent.
And then they either brush over that almost all of their top talent in the AE came from WCW, or mention it in a WCW is so stupid kind of way. There is SO MUCH stuff to shit on WCW for, so it is frustrating when they don't give credit where it is due. WWF is portrayed as the little engine that could, while ECW is portrayed as the littler engine that could, while WCW is an evil, cold corporation. You'd think WWF was some indie company and WCW was Apple in 2014, when it was more like...WCW was Apple in 2014 and WWF was Microsoft in 2006. And ECW was Google in 2002.
I think Bret was a fun heel in WCW. A much different kind of heel than he was in the WWF. Match wise, yeah, a waste. But he had a lot of fun promos I thought.
Also this ep talked about Sandman and how you can't have him in your company not doing the beers and canes and smoking shit. Except he DID do that stuff in ECW and had some of his best matches while there. Certainly the best WCW hardcore matches. All while getting paid a lot more money and ending up in the best shape of his life. Sandman was used just fine in WCW.
And then they either brush over that almost all of their top talent in the AE came from WCW, or mention it in a WCW is so stupid kind of way. There is SO MUCH stuff to shit on WCW for, so it is frustrating when they don't give credit where it is due. WWF is portrayed as the little engine that could, while ECW is portrayed as the littler engine that could, while WCW is an evil, cold corporation. You'd think WWF was some indie company and WCW was Apple in 2014, when it was more like...WCW was Apple in 2014 and WWF was Microsoft in 2006. And ECW was Google in 2002.
I think Bret was a fun heel in WCW. A much different kind of heel than he was in the WWF. Match wise, yeah, a waste. But he had a lot of fun promos I thought.
Also this ep talked about Sandman and how you can't have him in your company not doing the beers and canes and smoking shit. Except he DID do that stuff in ECW and had some of his best matches while there. Certainly the best WCW hardcore matches. All while getting paid a lot more money and ending up in the best shape of his life. Sandman was used just fine in WCW.
Hell the only dude that really shined in ECW was Benoit...all because he broke Sabu's neck. Other than that they were pretty much "Vanilla Midgets".
The moment they came to WCW...the gloves came off.
Also, the one time I'll give praise to Cornette. The Gangstaz were amazing in Smoky Mountain. They were so out of place, they were so natural heels, New Jack knew exactly how to generate heat.
They were shit in ECW. They were just more 'counter culture' 'extreme' gimmicks that got lost in the shuffle. And New Jack went from angry dude who determined to be the face of this company just to spite people to ... crazy guy who jumps off things. When everyone is extreme, no one is extreme.
They were shit in ECW. They were just more 'counter culture' 'extreme' gimmicks that got lost in the shuffle. And New Jack went from angry dude who determined to be the face of this company just to spite people to ... crazy guy who jumps off things. When everyone is extreme, no one is extreme.
I seriously think the whole Black Saturday incident was the start of the entire "wcw is the devil".
He pretty much got chased out of Georgia when he tried to bring his "idea" of what wrestling should be like to a region which all they know is wrasslin'.
I agree. What they could have did was let Sting win clean...Bret comes down the aisle and gives sting a staredown. They could have kept Hart until Starrcade for the shocking effect but NOPE...they bragged and gloat about hart to the point they had him debut on nitro for a few segments :/.
There's some humor to it, I mean he's the ultimate guy from up north but always claims to not be in the NWO. I still think they strung out his middle ground a bit too long and by the time they tried him as a full on heel he was mainly an afterthought. Every attempt to juice him up afterwards didn't work, but that was the bad luck from all the injuries came in.
Still the main point is that Bret Hart, sometimes the only watchable guy on New Generation shows, has only a few good matches in 3 years is so unbelievably sad. The one big time feud he does have with Sting produces a bunch of clunkers and his fun bit with Goldberg is ended before it even began. If anyone asks to see a Bret match from WCW just tell them to watch the Owen Tribute match and forget about the rest.
I watched a ton of shitty WCW matches with all those PPVs and nothing even comes close to being as depressing as this random Lex Luger versus Bret Hart match near the end of his run where Bret gets injured and Luger wins clean.
New jack also generate TOO much heat in SMW. He pretty much dealt with all type of shit working in that promotion especially with the police :/.
I liked their ecw run but hated the fact it was all about new jack throwing shit and hitting wrestlers with a nintendo than focusing on the tag team portion of the group. They were awesome as a tag team but the moment they split....I lost interest.
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