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September Wrasslin' |OT| Almost Brings a tear to my eye

strobogo

Banned
LEGITSHOOK.COM PRESENTS



WCW Monday Nitro 6/30/96




The go home show for BATB.


  • Steiner Brothers vs Harlem Heat WCW Tag Team Championships
  • Disco Inferno vs Kurasawa
  • DDP vs Scotty Riggs
  • Greg Valentine vs Randy Savage
  • John Tenta vs The Giant WCW Championship
  • Rock N Roll Express/Renegade/Joe Gomez vs Four Horsemen


The matches were pretty secondary. Hall and Nash came out about half way through the show, sitting in the front row with tickets. With police sitting at ringside as well. And at the announce booth. Eventually they somehow got a mic and started shit talking Bischoff, getting up to the stage before being stopped by half the roster and police. Nash clearly said "fuck" on live TV. They were escorted away in what apparently took like 25 minutes to get them to their car.


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Toki767

Member
Huh. Apparently Vince has a rule that no one from Total Divas can get the Divas title. That's kind of a relief, although that only leaves like 4 women (AJ/Paige/Emma/Layla) who could possibly be champion.

Also apparently AJ was part of that iCloud thing so there's a naked photo of her out there? Hope Aiii doesn't faint.
 
Just saw this on my twitter feed:

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Strobogo's first gimmick here was posting images of inspirational text from his social media accounts, his career has been in a state of steady decline ever since.
 
So, what is it specifically that people didn't like about Jericho's latest run?

Here are the pluses and minuses in my mind.

Pluses:
-Good return match against The Miz that helped establish "the moneymaker" character for The Miz
-Very cool first encounter with The Wyatts, and loud "This is awesome!" chants
-The sit-down interview with Bray going into Summerslam
-His matches against Bray at Summerslam and in the cage
-His matches against Kane and Orton

Minuses:
-Weak feud building in the Wyatt feud. ZERO clear motivation for them to fight. I put this on creative.
-Not enough legit mic time to put over his matches and feuds in general

Basically, I loved his in-ring work, but the mic time and storytelling outside of the ring were insufficient. Thoughts?
I think if you haven't really noticed or cared that Jericho's lost about a thousand steps, you might as well keep going with it. He's old, bloated, and generic to me. He's killed the momentum of every show he's shown up in the middle of.
 

Mengetsu

Member
WWE Announces 2014 SummerSlam Pay-Per-View Buys

New data released by WWE shows that the 2014 SummerSlam event drew between 140,000 and 150,000 preliminary pay-per-view buys. This would be around 60,000 domestic buys and around 80,000 international buys.

This was up from the WWE Battleground pay-per-view, which drew 99,000 buys - 31,000 domestic buys and 68,000 international buys. This is also up from Money In the Bank, which drew 122,000 buys.

In comparison, the SummerSlam 2013 pay-per-view drew around 298,000 buys with 186,000 domestic and 112,000 international. Of course this was before the WWE Network.

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Sid

Member
WWE Announces 2014 SummerSlam Pay-Per-View Buys



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The network effect obviously.

I think if you haven't really noticed or cared that Jericho's lost about a thousand steps, you might as well keep going with it. He's old, bloated, and generic to me. He's killed the momentum of every show he's shown up in the middle of.
There's a lot of good than bad with Jericho and he's better than most of the guys on the roster,had the buildups to his matches been good his return would have been considered excellent.
 
Here's the PWI 500 for this year;

1) Daniel Bryan
2) Randy Orton
3) John Cena
4) A.J. Styles
5) Kazuchika Okada
6) Bray Wyatt
7) Roman Reigns
8) Magnus
9) Adam Cole
10) Bully Ray
11) Hiroshi Tanahashi
12) Seth Rollins
13) Cesaro
14) Michael Elgin
15) Bobby Lashley
16) Batista
17) Shinsuke Nakamura
18) Dean Ambrose
19) Eric Young
20) El Terrible
21) Sheamus
22) Alberto Del Rio
23) Austin Aries
24) Big E
25) Jimmy Uso
26) Jey Uso
27) Kevin Steen
28) Kohei Suwama
29) Jeff Hardy
30) Prince Devitt
31) Samoa Joe
32) KENTA
33) The Big Show
34) Luke Harper
35) Jay Lethal
36) Bobby Roode
37) Bad News Barrett
38) Jay Briscoe
39) Adrian Neville
40) Gunner
41) Akebono
42) Kane
43) Chris Sabin
44) Sami Zayn
45) Eddie Edwards
46) James Storm
47) Matt Hardy
48) Kurt Angle
49) Davey Richards
50) Ethan Carter III
51) Ken Anderson
52) Satoshi Kojima
53) Ricochet
54) Dolph Ziggler
55) Chris Jericho
56) The Miz
57) Erick Rowan
58) Roderick Strong
59) Kofi Kingston
60) Rob Van Dam
61) Kyle O'Reilly
62) Johnny Gargano
63) Tetsuya Naito
64) Joe Doering
65) Rusev
66) Seiya Senada
67) Tommaso Ciampa
68) Rob Conway
69) Chris Hero
70) Karl Anderson
71) Mark Henry
72) Bobby Fish
73) Bo Dallas
74) Jack Swagger
75) Ryback
76) Nick Jackson
77) Takeshi Morishima
78) Christian
79) Texano Jr.
80) Matt Jackson
81) Christopher Daniels
82) Stardust
83) Yuji Nagata
84) Goldust
85) Robbie E
86) Kazarian
87) R-Truth
88) Matt Cross
89) Drew Gulak
90) Jun Akiyama
91) BxB Hulk
92) Curtis Axel
93) Matt Taven
94) A.R. Fox
95) Tyler Breeze
96) Mark Briscoe
97) Rey Escorpion
98) Doc Gallows
99) Kenny King
100) M.V.P.
101) Sin Cara
102) Damien Sandow
103) Michael Bennett
104) Rey Misterio Jr.
105) Jessie Godderz
106) Davey Boy Smith Jr.
107) Kota Ibushi
108) Hiroyoshi Tenzan
109) Abyss
110) Alex Shelley
111) Mephisto
112) Lance Archer
113) Tyson Kidd
114) Alex Koslov
115) Rhino
116) Yujiro Kushida
117) Rocky Romero
118) Bad Luck Fale
119) La Sombra
120) Adam Pearce
121) Yamato
122) Manik
123) Konnor
124) Brother Devon
125) Takao Omori
126) Diamante Azul
127) D.J. Zema Ion
128) Viktor
129) Tomohiro Ishii
130) Naomichi Marufuji
131) Go Shiozaki
132) Crazzy Steve
133) Rich Swann
134) MASADA
135) Low-Ki
136) Justin Gabriel
137) Corey Graves
138) Dragon Rojo
139) Luke Hawx
140) Colt Cabana
141) Masato Tanaka
142) Fandango
143) Bram
144) Adam Rose
145) Daisuke Sekimoto
146) Gedo
147) Volador Jr.
148) Jimmy Jacobs
149) Daga
150) Jado
151) Samuel Shaw
152) Jamin Olivencia
153) Zack Ryder
154) Naruki Doi
155) Blue Demon Jr.
156) Kohei Sato
157) Biff Busick
158) A.C.H.
159) Fenix
160) B.J. Whitmer
161) CIMA
162) Matador Diego
163) Shinya Ishikawa
164) Matador Fernando
165) Takashi Sugiura
166) Knux
167) Kalisto
168) Harashima
169) The Great Khali
170) Mojo Rawley
171) El Mesias
172) Tigre Uno
173) The Romantic Touch
174) Katsuyori Shibata
175) Chuck Taylor
176) Jax Dane
177) Heath Slater
178) Cedric Alexander
179) Titan
180) Rockstar Spud
181) Monster Pain
182) Masakatsu Funaki
183) Kenny Omega
184) Matt Morgan
185) Xavier Woods
186) Togi Makabe
187) Bull Dempsey
188) Caprice Coleman
189) Carlito Colon
190) Kahagas
191) Hernandez
192) Jigsaw
193) C.J. Parker
194) Ryusuke Taguchi
195) SHINGO Takagi
196) Drew McIntyre
197) Taiji Ishimori
198) Christian York
199) Atsushi Kotoege
200) Trent Barreta
201) Chavo Guerrero Jr.
202) Papadon
203) T-Hawk
204) Stevie Richards
205) Steve Corino
206) Silas Young
207) Aiden English
208) Uhaa Nation
209) Minoru Suzuki
210) David Starr
211) Tiger Mask IV
212) Shelton Benjamin
213) Tadarius Thomas
214) Mohammed Yone
215) Simon Gotch
216) Scorpio Sky
217) Brodus Clay
218) J.T. Dunn
219) Akira Tozawa
220) Ryouji Sai
221) Ultimo Dragon
222) Jimmy Susumu
223) Kongo Kong
224) Marcus Anthony
225) Chris Masters
226) Apollo
227) Jeff Jarrett
228) Jinder Mahal
229) Ricky Reyes
230) Titus O'Neil
231) John Skyler
232) D-Lo Brown
233) Vordell Walker
234) Shane Hollister
235) Kenou
236) Jay Bradley
237) Hayato Fujita
238) Darin Corbin
239) Hajime Ohara
240) Mike Mondo
241) Darren Young
242) Ray Gonzalez
243) Rush
244) Jushin Liger
245) Mistico Nueva Era
246) Jesse Neal
247) Brian Meyers
248) Tony Nese
249) Pepper Parks
250) Yoshinobu Kanemaru
251) Paul London
252) Hirooki Goto
253) Tyson Dux
254) Masaaki Mochizuki
255) Joe E. Legend
256) Bill Collier
257) Sonjay Dutt
258) Matt Cage
259) Wes Brisco
260) Jesus DeLeon
261) Joey Ryan
262) V.S.K.
263) Dr. Wagner Jr.
264) Brian Kendrick
265) Cody Deaner
266) Jason Gory
267) Danny Havoc
268) Enzo Amore
269) Facade
270) Virus
271) BUSHI
272) Tye Dillinger
273) Jack Evans
274) Baron Corbin
275) Doug Williams
276) D.J. Hyde
277) Gran Akuma
278) R.J. Brewer
279) Homicide
280) Arik Cannon
281) Colin Cassady
282) Roy Knight
283) Player Uno
284) L.A. Par-K
285) Eddie Kingston
286) Chessman
287) Ethan H.D.
288) Icarus
289) Jason Jordan
290) Hanson
291) Stupefied
292) Zak Knight
293) Steve Anthony
294) Trevor Lee
295) Ryan Eagles
296) Asylum
297) T.N.T.
298) Colin Delaney
299) Matt Riviera
300) Tommy Dreamer
301) Matt Burns
302) Jocephus
303) Byron Wilcott
304) Robert Anthony
305) Caleb Konley
306) BLK JEEZ
307) Alex Colon
308) Raymond Rowe
309) Chris Angel
310) Zack Sabre Jr.
311) Adam Page
312) Tim Donst
313) B-Boy
314) Lou Marconi
315) Shane Haste
316) Tim Storm
317) Psycho Clown
318) Sylvester Lefort
319) John McChesney
320) Devon Moore
321) Ricky Mandel
322) Mason Ryan
323) Corey Hollis
324) Jake Crist
325) Mikey Nicholls
326) Ruckus
327) N8 Mattson
328) Dave Crist
329) Necro Butcher
330) Jake O'Reilly
331) Negro Casas
332) Harlem Bravado
333) Steve Walters
334) La Mascara
335) Logan Shulo
336) Lancelot Bravado
337) Anthony Darko
338) Guerrero Maya Jr.
339) Ace Hawkins
340) Shane Strickland
341) Lucky tHURTeen
342) Sushi
343) Mascara Dorado
344) Phil Monahan
345) Chris Wylde
346) Joe Gacy
347) Chase Owens
348) Shocker
349) R.J. City
350) Adam Thornstowe
351) Q.T. Marshall
352) Jack Pollock
353) Jag Hartley Jackson
354) Steve Boz
355) Bad Bones
356) Azrieal
357) Kincaid
358) Ethan Page
359) Josef Von Schmidt
360) Luster The Legend
361) Gregory Iron
362) Brandon Espinosa
363) A.J. Istria
364) Gideon Malice
365) Kyle Sebastian
366) Bobby Shields
367) Josh Alexander
368) Mighty Ursus
369) Sylvan Grenier
370) Colin Cutler
371) Matt Tremont
372) Timothy Thatcher
373) Breaker Morant
374) Danny Duggan
375) Hakim Zane
376) Bobby Sharp
377) Hellcat
378) Chasyn Rance
379) Cheech
380) El Barbaro Cavernario
381) Joey Kaos
382) Dru Onyx
383) Averno
384) Chance Prophet
385) Houston Carson
386) Kao Storm
387) Marko Estrada
388) Lince Dorado
389) Greg Anthony
390) AHTU
391) Michael Barry
392) Zach Gowen
393) Aaron Epic
394) Lance Anoa'i
395) Mike Rollins
396) Dave Dutra
397) Ricky Martinez
398) Arik Royal
399) J.R. Kratos
400) Milo Beasley
401) Americos
402) Alex Vega
403) Rhett Giddins
404) Napalm Bomb
405) Li'l Cholo
406) Rob Sweet
407) Cloudy
408) Acid Jaz
409) Rik Luxury
410) Andrew Everett
411) Marshe Rockett
412) Kwan Chang
413) Matt Saigon
414) Willie Richardson
415) Robert D. Evans
416) Oliver Grimsley
417) Jeckles The Jester
418) Andrew Davis
419) Bux Belmar
420) Johnny Vandal
421) The D.B.A.
422) Willie Mack
423) Franky The Mobster
424) Nick Ando
425) Mike Bailey
426) Tommy Mack
427) Massive Damage
428) Matthieu St. Jacques
429) Joe Etell
430) Orlando Christopher
431) Brutal Bob Evans
432) Billy Blade
433) Sonny Scarboni
434) Thomas Dubois
435) Dylan Drake
436) Jay Freddie
437) Pat Guenette
438) Jack Gallow
439) Kaimana
440) Gabe Saint
441) Vinnie Scarboni
442) Shane Matthews
443) Ron Falco
444) Hornet
445) Johnny Goodtime
446) Alan Steel
447) Doyle Day
448) Chris Richards
449) Scott Parker
450) Mikael Judas
451) Chris Cruze
452) Johnny Yuma
453) Chris Cooper
454) Primo Scordino
455) Jeremy Prophet
456) Ashley Sixx
457) Joey Allen
458) Phil Atlas
459) Sexxy Eddie
460) Handsome J.F.
461) Tony Carbonie
462) Brandon Thurston
463) Mike Posey
464) Josh Hess
465) Steve Stasiak
466) The Stro
467) Blackjack Phoenix
468) Chief Attakultakulla
469) Peter Avalon
470) Joey Knight
471) Jaimy Coxxx
472) Rip Impact
473) Chrisifix
474) Josh Movado
475) Jimi The Hippie
476) Greg Excellent
477) Robin Knightwing
478) Jaxon Jarvis
479) Brandon Scott
480) Cheeseburger
481) Kevin Bennett
482) Dalton Castle
483) Broseph Joe Brody
484) Silent Warrior
485) Chip Stetson
486) Tim Zbyszko
487) Kenny Doll
488) Chris LaPlante
489) Jeff Cobb
490) Johnny Adams
491) Barry Hardy
492) Diafullah Dobashi
493) Marc Hauss
494) Kratos
495) Chris Perish
496) Mr. Juicy
497) Nathan Avery
498) Wolf Danger
499) Dickie Bronson
500) Grado

I always find this shit pretty fascinating, how the hell do they produce it? It's kayfabe, but even then it doesn't make sense - Gedo's on there. He's pretty much a full-time manager now. AHTU is on there. That's the dude who got knocked out by Low Ki at EVOLVE. He's wrestled about 3 matches in 2014. I never knew Corey Graves, the dullest man in existence, was better than Masato Tanaka, but there you go. The Great Khali > Katsuyori Shibata (there's a match I'd like to see). British wrestling is barely represented, with Doug Williams, Paige's brother, Zack Sabre Jr. and Grado. Stro's on there, though! Congrats.
 

Striker

Member
It's interesting because I see Orton as the exact opposite: he's one of the few guys they have on top who's just absolutely perfect with his timing, pacing, and match progression. He's on a level few can touch even when they try their best.

I'm not saying he's a 5-star match guy, because he is pretty deliberately slow and his style isn't very technical, but he's a solid 3-4 star match every PPV if the company's behind him with a story.

I think if you haven't really noticed or cared that Jericho's lost about a thousand steps, you might as well keep going with it. He's old, bloated, and generic to me. He's killed the momentum of every show he's shown up in the middle of.
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Orton is about as boring as a wet paper bag. People like to rip on ADR for his persona, but how is Orton's any better (isn't as good in the ring either, but that's another story)? . In fact, he's been this way for the last eight or so years. He's dreadful. Ever since he began feuding with Cena as a main eventer on Raw, he's gone downhill in character. He did his best stuff with Foley and Undertaker, two of the types of guys who makes others look miles better than they are. I mean, I guess he had that Christian feud that did nobody business other than his own in 2011; to which Christian carried his ass on every PPV, but I cannot think of any other notable match or program he's been in for the last several years. You say he hasn't had any stories or he wasn't treated as such, but he's been given the ball as the top guy more than anyone else not named Batista or Cena in the past ten years. And he has flopped as a big name because he's produced duds. For all the shit other guys get on the mic, Orton is bottom tier. You either gets matches with him that result in headlocks (i.e. Sheamus matches) or ones where he beats guys like RVD, Christian, Kofi, etc. by OUTTANOWHERE RKO's.

Jericho at this point does one thing. Try his best to put others over, nothing else. It's not his fault if creative/Vince do nothing with those guys after (like how he put over Kofi, Evan Bourne, Dolph Ziggler.) but they do nothing with them to follow up.
 
Huh. Apparently Vince has a rule that no one from Total Divas can get the Divas title. That's kind of a relief, although that only leaves like 4 women (AJ/Paige/Emma/Layla) who could possibly be champion.

Also apparently AJ was part of that iCloud thing so there's a naked photo of her out there? Hope Aiii doesn't faint.
Vince apparently changed his mind about that rule and that AJ picture was confirmed to be fake. Never seen it though, but there are a lot of fakes running around.
 
Couple of matches announced for Bound for Glory;

. The Great Muta & TAJIRI vs James Storm & The Great Sanada
. Samoa Joe (c) vs Low Ki vs Kaz Hayashi

That 3-way X-Division title match should be great
even if Joe already dropped the belt to Low Ki at the TV tapings, which won't air until after BFG
.
 

Alucard

Banned
I think if you haven't really noticed or cared that Jericho's lost about a thousand steps, you might as well keep going with it. He's old, bloated, and generic to me. He's killed the momentum of every show he's shown up in the middle of.

He's definitely slowed down a bit, and I noticed A LOT when he came back the last time to have that match against Punk, but I thought he looked on the ball this time around. His moves still looked fluid and fast enough to me. It's not like he's RVD bad or something.
 

Alucard

Banned
Here's the PWI 500 for this year;



I always find this shit pretty fascinating, how the hell do they produce it? It's kayfabe, but even then it doesn't make sense - Gedo's on there. He's pretty much a full-time manager now. AHTU is on there. That's the dude who got knocked out by Low Ki at EVOLVE. He's wrestled about 3 matches in 2014. I never knew Corey Graves, the dullest man in existence, was better than Masato Tanaka, but there you go. The Great Khali > Katsuyori Shibata (there's a match I'd like to see). British wrestling is barely represented, with Doug Williams, Paige's brother, Zack Sabre Jr. and Grado. Stro's on there, though! Congrats.


The Big Show being higher than A LOT of talent is just weird to me. I don't remember a single thing he's been a part of this year except getting beaten down by Brock with chairs.
 

Striker

Member
He's definitely slowed down a bit, and I noticed A LOT when he came back the last time to have that match against Punk, but I thought he looked on the ball this time around. His moves still looked fluid and fast enough to me. It's not like he's RVD bad or something.
Should re-watch Punk-Jericho at Payback 2013. One guy moved around like he was 2014 Batista and that person wasn't Jericho.
 

Alucard

Banned
Should re-watch Punk-Jericho at Payback 2013. One guy moved around like he was 2014 Batista and that person wasn't Jericho.

I remember thinking that both guys looked a couple of bloated elephants in terms of their speed, but I do recall Punk huffing and puffing more than Jericho.
 

Showaddy

Member
Here's the PWI 500 for this year;

I always find this shit pretty fascinating, how the hell do they produce it?

Yeah by what measure are The Ascension, Erick Rowan & Sin Cara rated higher than Ishii? Or Khali & Mojo Rawley higher than Suzuki? How is Baron Corbin rated 200 something when he's only wrestled 2 or 3 televised 10 second squashes this year?
 

Data West

coaches in the WNBA
If Desert Bus came out today, would it be given 10/10 on various game review sites labeled as an amazing thought experiment that no big budget game could compare to?
 
Here's the PWI 500 for this year;



I always find this shit pretty fascinating, how the hell do they produce it? It's kayfabe, but even then it doesn't make sense - Gedo's on there. He's pretty much a full-time manager now. AHTU is on there. That's the dude who got knocked out by Low Ki at EVOLVE. He's wrestled about 3 matches in 2014. I never knew Corey Graves, the dullest man in existence, was better than Masato Tanaka, but there you go. The Great Khali > Katsuyori Shibata (there's a match I'd like to see). British wrestling is barely represented, with Doug Williams, Paige's brother, Zack Sabre Jr. and Grado. Stro's on there, though! Congrats.

You're great Boots, but if you're talking shit about the King of Lean, we got a problem.
 

Ithil

Member
Here's the PWI 500 for this year;



I always find this shit pretty fascinating, how the hell do they produce it? It's kayfabe, but even then it doesn't make sense - Gedo's on there. He's pretty much a full-time manager now. AHTU is on there. That's the dude who got knocked out by Low Ki at EVOLVE. He's wrestled about 3 matches in 2014. I never knew Corey Graves, the dullest man in existence, was better than Masato Tanaka, but there you go. The Great Khali > Katsuyori Shibata (there's a match I'd like to see). British wrestling is barely represented, with Doug Williams, Paige's brother, Zack Sabre Jr. and Grado. Stro's on there, though! Congrats.

I'm gonna guess and say the makers of this don't know who over half of these people are. They're just vaguely lining them up based on match cards, or something.
 

somedevil

Member
Here was the attendance for the upcoming TNA shows:

Last Tuesday's TNA Impact Wrestling tapings in Bethlehem, PA drew around 350 fans, according to The Wrestling Observer Newsletter. Wednesday's tapings drew around 200, Thursday's tapings drew 275 and Friday night's tapings drew 650. TNA had to heavily paper the Thursday night tapings to get to 275.

Holy Crap this is bad.
Booby Roode won the title
in front of 275 fans.
 
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