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September Wrasslin |OT| Team WWF vs. The World
- Thread starter Kaladin
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He's always been pudgy, and never really been a guy who's displayed impressive talent. There is limitations for him.
Joe's problem has been motivation.
Jobbing in TNA must kill anybody's motivation.
Samoa Joe has been doing better since the tournament began but his cardio has dropped because of the weight gain. I think he was tired out when he wrestled AJ styles on impact.
He needs to get his weight back to what it was in 2005-2006 but can he actually do it or want to is the question.
He needs to get his weight back to what it was in 2005-2006 but can he actually do it or want to is the question.
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considers that TNA has been doing nothing with joe im not suprised he is lazy. its oinly with the BFG series that he seems to be trying some what
Professor Beef
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He has a much better look to him now. The problem is that they didn't bother to get him to change his personality a bit when they brought him back. Now he actually looks like he could be a threat, but he's still the same ol' Mike "Ice Cold" Mizanin.
He's in the top 5 of people who need a complete gimmick overhaul. Right from scratch.
He was in a division with Guerrero, Benoit, Jericho, Malenko, Mysterio, Ultimo Dragon...
None of those guys got the credit they deserved in WCW. Juvi's situation was far from unique.
spindashing
Banned
Miz tries his hardest, too. It's just that I can't get behind him at all. I'm not sure if it's his voice or just the way he looks in general.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
Member
His character is too serious. It's a problem with most of the heels now. They need something redeeming to keep people interested. They don't have to be as brilliant as Kurt Angle or heel Austin in their prime, but they need some of that influence in their characters.
Punk's heel work gets over because it's over the top and ridiculous. He's relentless in his single focus. Del Rio and Miz don't actually DO anything. They just come out and scowl.
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i would not mind miz on commentary, once he and cole warmed up with each other it was really good
Swearing off ridiculous midnight postings, sorry SoulPlaya. Was fun though.
The Juice! Juventud Guerrera.
The Juice! Juventud Guerrera.
1. Which would be the face, and
2. Who's gonna oogle at the ladies and make 14-year-old jokes?
Also, happy Dead Ambrose week everyone!
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Caught a bit of Tennis. Heard a "let's go Serena!" chant break out. I was honestly expecting a "SERENA SUCKS" counter chant.
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well miz actually tried to put people over like zack ryder so i guess him
Dark Ninja
Member
1. Miz would be the face actually Mike Mizanin would be the face
2. I like what Miz was doing on monday calling out the divas on their shitty wrestling and division. Also saying that Eve was overall the best looking one compared to Layla
Professor Beef
Banned
Miz's commentary during the Divas' match was fucking awful.
Well it's not like they don't have FCW, training off camera etc to practice.
To be fair that diva that was there as well was horrible too. It was weird.
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They have had great FCW matches, almost all of them. Then they get called up and they don't get to wrestle anymore. They probably get told 5 minutes in advance that they get a match and have to think of spots then and there and are told to end with a surprise roll up.
But yeah, lets blame these capable women for giving us shitty matches.
WWE should be ashamed of themselves.
Professor Beef
Banned
Yeah, Layla and Miz have no chemistry together. Either that, or they tried too hard to force it and failed miserably.
This I do not understand. Why pair Heyman up with Punk? Punk doesn't need any help on the mic, nor does he need help getting over. Heyman is a waste with Punk.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Maybe he can help Punk get better in the ring.
No, it's a great pairing that will draw additional heat on Punk.
Flair didn't need Heenan either, but it was a golden pairing.
Professor Beef
Banned
I have no doubt it'll be amazing. I just think it would be a better use of his time and talent if he helped someone else get over.
Enter the Evolution like stable they'll form shortly.
Put a heel stable together. Not like a bunch of stooges, one put together like Evolution with no fodder, but everyone in a specific role.
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Dangerious alliance 2 with punk, heyman, ambrose and eve.
amborse can amke the i not getting respect agnle and poof
amborse can amke the i not getting respect agnle and poof
Its going to be Storm they been building him up for this. I will be surprised if its not him because it would be the 2nd time they built him up just to fail.
I like it because they both don't get respect from the WWE. Also, heyman plays a big part in the new Punk dvd. Also, he is a heyman guy because he found him and was the only behind him when all the other higher up in the WWE hated him.
edit: Also, hope the rumor if flair ever returns they discussed putting him with Ziggler.
Nocturnowl
Member
Remember Legacy? what a complete waste of an awesome concept.
MANU! SIM SNUKA!
Truly the legendary stable of modern times.
MANU! SIM SNUKA!
Truly the legendary stable of modern times.
British Monsoon
Member
Psicosis was always my favourite, be it in WCW or in Japan. Really underrated talent, he always seemed more versatile than most.
Incidentally, I'm watching some oldschool NJPW stuff from the late 70's and was surprised by how much I enjoyed watching a dude named El Solitario in matches against the likes of Tatsumi Fujinami & Tiger Mask. Some good high-flying with great technical wrestling and all sorts of lucha escapes and counters. Gonna have to try and find some of his Mexican work. Also, just look at the man's swagger;
billy beane
Banned
Paul Heyman should have a Drew Rosenhaus gimmick where he's just an annoying ass agent for a bunch of heel wrestlers. Basically make him a new Bobby Heenan.
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Deleted member 47027
Unconfirmed Member
Well it doesn't have to help one or another. It can be just two KICKASS dudes on the mic. It doesn't have to be this wonderful event balance - they can tip the scales!
Nxt first appears on dailymotion and then youtube. Here is the 9/5/12 with hipster Ohno.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CfnpG3v01rs#!
It's not even the matches I have a problem with, it's the lack of compelling storyline telling. There aren't many Divas that can cut a good promo let alone have a good match.
Then there's the whole WWE writers being awful. It'll never work.
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that would be awesome put heyman with jack swagger
I've been saying recently that I think Jericho is the most influential heel of the current era. The way he moved, his facial expressions, his mannerisms, his voice, and his vocabulary are all emulated in one way or another by virtually every heel in WWE right now. The problem is that I don't think any of them have the charisma, talent, and certainly not the experience that Jericho has. Jericho may have not been the innovator of that type of heel though, and if he isn't, someone can correct me. I have heard that he drew inspiration from a character in No Country for Old Men.
DKehoe
Gold Member
I really wanted WWE to bring in Larry Sweeney for a role like this. Have him manage a roster of spoiled athletes and he makes ridiculous demands on their behalf. Would have been fantastic.
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if you want some good womens wrestling the first SHINE card was pretty good. also any match with sara del rey is good as well. hr vs aja kong from joshimania night one is great.
Look for his mask vs mask against dr wagner.
Fun fact : he was gonna be billed as el hijo del santo before the actual one started secretly training and his dad gave in