brisk tacos
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I'm on board if it makes people think Dolph is a rapist in real life and his career in entertainment is ruined forever.
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I'm on board if it makes people think Dolph is a rapist in real life and his career in entertainment is ruined forever.
Frecklestein
Banned
Fire Ziggler and bring up Breeze. He's probably cheaper to pay and at least he has a character.
Jimmy King
Member
His WWE status should be fine though.
The current WWE WHC and US champion is a nazi-sympathizer.
Frecklestein
Banned
Seth isn't a Nazi sympathizer, he's a nazi sympathizer sympathizer.
Perspicacity
Banned
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Summer snuck into Dolph's locker room knowing he was showering in there, he's the victim.
Guess I shouldn't have expected someone who's username literally means "fast pussy" to understand consent.
brisk tacos
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Jimmy King
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brisk tacos
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Dolph Ziggler and Max Landis are rapists that rape together and make shitty comedy.
Frecklestein
Banned
Sweeney Tom
Banned
Trusting juniors is a big mistake
Even if they no longer a junior, they still a junior in heart
Agreed.
Seriously it is a pin drop away from going back to gravy matches and pillow fights.
Frecklestein
Banned
Cody should try and go to Japan.
I'm torn. I'm sure he can still keep aspects of Stardust to pay tribute to his daddeh, but at the same time, he is as directionless as he was without the paint. He also has just a generic, boring look that doesn't do much to keep him separated from other guys in a casual fan's eyes. And I'm sure Stardust has sold more merch than Cody Rhodes ever has.
Reneledarker
Banned
Cody and Wade. There is nothing for them in WWE.
Jimmy King
Member
Stardust has merch?
Frecklestein
Banned
He's got gloves and there are masks and stuff
http://shop.wwe.com/on/demandware.s...efault/Search-Show?q=stardust&simplesearch=Go
Which is better than a good chunk of his Cody Rhodes shit.
Jimmy King
Member
Honestly when you talk about creative failures Cody is a great example. The dude knows wrestling , great worker, and can commit to a character.
Goldust was Vince's idea as a rib against Dusty and I honestly think sabotaging his son but Dustin fucking ran with it and made it his own. That character really was the beginning of the attitude era.
Cody needs someone to tell him what he has to be and try and push that to new extremes.
Willow and Goldust are perfect examples where talent shouldn't be completely in charge of their character.
The New Day should be studied by everyone on how to get over with the crowd and management. They took what was organically an outdated idea from Vince with little writing and support and spun it into something that was fantastic.
Look at how they introduced New Day. They fucking did nothing but clap and they lost on their Raw debut to the ascension. It wasn't until they turned Heel and had fantastic matches with Cesaro and Tyson Kidd did they break out.
Goldust was Vince's idea as a rib against Dusty and I honestly think sabotaging his son but Dustin fucking ran with it and made it his own. That character really was the beginning of the attitude era.
Cody needs someone to tell him what he has to be and try and push that to new extremes.
Willow and Goldust are perfect examples where talent shouldn't be completely in charge of their character.
The New Day should be studied by everyone on how to get over with the crowd and management. They took what was organically an outdated idea from Vince with little writing and support and spun it into something that was fantastic.
Look at how they introduced New Day. They fucking did nothing but clap and they lost on their Raw debut to the ascension. It wasn't until they turned Heel and had fantastic matches with Cesaro and Tyson Kidd did they break out.
British Monsoon
Member
I dunno, probably sometime around 1975. Inoki used to book some pretty gaijin heavy cards and not just with top-name talent, either.
Frecklestein
Banned
Cody honestly just needs a push. He has the tools. He's been given shit like Dashing Cody Rhodes and even turned a broken nose into a solid gimmick, even when Ted DeBiase was tossed with him he did his best to carry that dead weight.
He's no slouch in the ring, and he has been pretty alright on the mic. I feel like it's on him to realize he deserves a push, not because of his father's passing, but because he's earned one. At the very least, it couldn't hurt to have him flirt with the main event scene and see how he stacks up.
For as long as he's been with the company, he hasn't really interacted with a lot of the bigger guys or had any career defining feuds. He's definitely an oddity in terms of ability and circumstances.
He's no slouch in the ring, and he has been pretty alright on the mic. I feel like it's on him to realize he deserves a push, not because of his father's passing, but because he's earned one. At the very least, it couldn't hurt to have him flirt with the main event scene and see how he stacks up.
For as long as he's been with the company, he hasn't really interacted with a lot of the bigger guys or had any career defining feuds. He's definitely an oddity in terms of ability and circumstances.
newdayrocks
Member
From snuka's book
What do we think was in the briefcase? Business cards? Merch?
It is actually the case from Pulp Fiction
Frecklestein
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newdayrocks
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Does he really? After so many crazy repackages I honestly believe that guys are better off being like CJ Parker where they see where they are placed and they take a risk to try and change themselves.
Justin Gabriel was an amazing talent who they had dressed up in a bunny suit. He said fuck that shit and went to GFW. Sure with JJ he might not get paid next week but at least he is able to shine more. How many of the WWE top guys could do that and get over again?
I mean look at what Goldust did. He did this after getting on such bad terms with his father. Had he been fired from WWF he probably would have been lucky if small indies picked him up. He went out on a limb and took ricks and while I'm sure it was all approved by Vince I bet you that Dustin could have said no at any time.
Xavier did that with his New Day matches. I wouldn't believe that somebody wrote him to banter like that.
Frecklestein
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"She's gonna murder him!!"
Sibersk Esto
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Justin Gabriel as an "amazing" talent is a bit of a stretch
Frecklestein
Banned
"Shades of her daddeh, Maggle! HA-HAW!"
Jimmy King
Member
yeah, we're talking about the darewolf here
brisk tacos
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It's pretty silly to say that Goldust was an attempt to sabotage Dustin's career as some kind of pay back to Dusty. Goldust got a TON of TV time and hype, was near the top the cards almost instantly, and stayed there until his drug and weight issues cropped up. The Natural Dustin Rhodes would have been DOA in WWE. Goldust was the greatest thing to happen to Dustin's career and it was not only because he embraced the role so well, but because Vince was willing to keep rewarding him for it and using the character as a barometer on the content of his entire company.
Would you rather take a paycheck for 6 months dressed up as a bunny or become the champ of a new promotion?
Cody is at that spot right now. The Stardust thing isn't nearly as over as he thinks it is. Did anyone really miss him in the last raw? Did anyone even notice he wasn't on the last raw?
Frecklestein
Banned
I noticed he was missing....
brisk tacos
Banned
This is the markiest question of all time.
Jimmy King
Member
champ of some joke promotion or a joke in the champ promotion
Serious question there.
Which one would keep you employed longer? Which one brings you more income?
Maybe PJ Black can be something in GFW, maybe somebody from Japan or HHH gives him another shot seeing him change himself but blending into the walls of the WWE locker room is just going to get you paid the bare minimum or get you fired when somebody else takes your spot.
brisk tacos
Banned
Steady, healthy income vs bounced checks and paying for your own medical issues. BUT YOU GET TO BE CHAMPION!!!
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Frecklestein
Banned
Not to make it personal, Fox, but I really think Cesaro fits that as well. He's worse off for the fact that he's flirted with main event status more than anyone in recent memory, with nothing coming from and he's 34. Is he going to be remembered along with the Razors and the Mr. Perfects who were great talents that never got the big one..?
Frecklestein
Banned
also, I think it's kinda neat that Stang will be winning the WWE title at Night of Champions. One of the few things they kept from WCW. That's poetry, friends.
With the talent in NXT and what little they care about Smackdown, Main Event, and Superstars what guarantees you a spot?
Outside of Bo, Barrett, Ryder, and Mark Henry nobody jobs on TV.
Its only people in feuds.
But those people were at least remembered.
What would somebody remember of Cody Rhodes? The 32 gimmicks he had? His mania match with Orton? His failed attempts at feuding with his brother?
brisk tacos
Banned
Anyone would would leave the biggest promotion in the world to be a champion of an upstart company with no TV, no PPV, running for a couple hundred fans in minor league baseball stadiums is a mark to the highest degree. If Gabriel was so awesome and amazing, he'd have been picked up by a real promotion already. At absolute best, he's on TNA TV for another 4 weeks and then what? NJPW wasn't interested. ROH isn't interested. PWG isn't interested. Nowhere but local indies, which is essentially what GWF is.
How would anyone get more exposure as champion of something like GWF than being a WWE talent? TNA has been around for 13 years and people don't know who the fuck anyone that works there is. The handful of real talents went on to bigger places, but ask a random person who AJ Styles is and they're going to have no clue.
Sure. Well maybe. Needs some 1 on 1 main events first.