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[klonere]

I remember hearing Jericho say that nobody in the company had any idea what he was going to say in his debut promo.

That's insane, like irresponsible levels of creative freedom for performers back then. He'd just come from WCW, he could have said anything. I wonder what the turning points were for WWE to go from that stance to the approach they have now regarding promos.

 

[Sephzilla]

On that note, what are some examples of superstars who made their debut at PPVs? Anyone?

Taker, Kane, I think Big Show did (twice), Sting's WWE debut was at a PPV.

Does Apollo Crews at Takeover Brooklyn count?

 

[BadAss2961]

Sting

This WWE run sucked bad. He never should've went through with it.

How hard was just one match with Taker at Wrestlemania? Seriously, how fucking hard was that?

 

[BronsonLee]

Even let him wear the ECW title

And then HHH ate him AND Dreamer

I remember hearing Jericho say that nobody in the company had any idea what he was going to say in his debut promo.

That's insane, like irresponsible levels of creative freedom for performers back then. He'd just come from WCW, he could have said anything. I wonder what the turning points were for WWE to go from that stance to the approach they have now regarding promos.

Giving Iron Sheik a live mic
Or that Diva Search thing where Hemme freaking went darkest timeline on one of the girls with her shade

 

[Fox318]

Finn will debut as a potato farmer cursing the potato famine

 

[Sephzilla]

I remember hearing Jericho say that nobody in the company had any idea what he was going to say in his debut promo.

That's insane, like irresponsible levels of creative freedom for performers back then. He'd just come from WCW, he could have said anything. I wonder what the turning points were for WWE to go from that stance to the approach they have now regarding promos.

They probably trusted Jericho to cut a decent opening promo since they already saw his body of work in WCW.

 

[Dr Duncan Steel]

So does anyone think the roll-up finish on Sting was an audible? I'm not caught up is he legit injured?

 

[Deleted member 47027]

Or that Diva Search thing where Hemme freaking went darkest timeline on one of the girls with her shade

That was amazingly horrifying. So good.

 

[CreeperBlocks]

So supposedly Sting is going to show up on RAW tonight.

 

[imBask]

I always said it : Finn is irish, Sheamus is irish. You know the drill.

 

[Ithil]

AR Fox is a plonker.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

AR Fox is a plonker.

He eats poop?

 

[BronsonLee]

So does anyone think the roll-up finish on Sting was an audible? I'm not caught up is he legit injured?

Eh, that finish looked nice and clean, so while possible, I'm not sure.

That was amazingly horrifying. So good.

That shit was more out of nowhere than ANY RKO

And she won the damn thing

 

[Man God]

There haven't been any megastars besides Cena and Orton who debuted in the era where scripted promos were the norm and not the exception. They usually just let the star go out there or with bullet points.

Ironically Cena is the one guy they actually trust enough to say his own shit most of the time.

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

Or that Diva Search thing where Hemme freaking went darkest timeline on one of the girls with her shade

?

 

[Deleted member 47027]

?

Dude, it's...it's fuckin wild.

 

[Man God]

Hemme is someone who I missed the entire WWE career of. All I know is that she couldn't wrestle and was super fucking hot.

 

[Vestal]

Its just a freaking downward spiral. We are almost to a point were you will need to Spam Finishers during a non-tv match in order to get a pin.

Arguably the two Hotest WWE superstars of the past 15 years (Austin and Rock) were not spot fest machines.

 

[Man God]

Its just a freaking downward spiral. We are almost to a point were you will need to Spam Finishers during a non-tv match in order to get a pin.

Arguably the two Hotest WWE superstars of the past 15 years (Austin and Rock) were not spot fest machines.

...Except they were the ones who tore the house down at X-7 and brought the trading finishers, kick out of every protected move match to the WWE. It's in fact entirely their fault for being awesome.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

I remember hearing Jericho say that nobody in the company had any idea what he was going to say in his debut promo.

That's insane, like irresponsible levels of creative freedom for performers back then. He'd just come from WCW, he could have said anything. I wonder what the turning points were for WWE to go from that stance to the approach they have now regarding promos.

Yeah, they were lucky Jericho is a massive fucking cheeseball. Imagine Steiner debuting back then.

 

[BronsonLee]

?

Dude, it's...it's fuckin wild.

There was some segment during the Search where they gave the girls live mics and told them to insult the other girls.

Almost everybody insulted the one chick everyone bad legged to win, and Hemme blasted her with one of the most foul insults ever on live TV. And I can't remember what it was

Its just a freaking downward spiral. We are almost to a point were you will need to Spam Finishers during a non-tv match in order to get a pin.

Arguably the two Hotest WWE superstars of the past 15 years (Austin and Rock) were not spot fest machines.

Lol wtf, Austin and Rock spammed the shit out of their finishes during their matches

 

[avengers23]

RIP in pieces Kevin Owens's career. No one survives the IC curse.

 

[Striker]

That shit was more out of nowhere than ANY RKO

And she won the damn thing

All I think of from the Diva Search is one would win, but they'd sign a 3-4 anyways. Or maybe it was the year before. Because I know Candice Michelle came in by it, so did Michelle McCool I think. Amy Weber and Joy Giovanni too. Mmm.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

Its just a freaking downward spiral. We are almost to a point were you will need to Spam Finishers during a non-tv match in order to get a pin.

Arguably the two Hotest WWE superstars of the past 15 years (Austin and Rock) were not spot fest machines.

It's safe to say they started it.

In Rock's book he mentions how they both thought kicking out of each other's finishers would be super rad.

 

[Man God]

Yeah, they were lucky Jericho is a massive fucking cheeseball. Imagine Steiner debuting back then.

It would be almost a year later when Steiner finally became a main eventer in WCW, basically by going super fucking hard on all of his promos. Nothing he said back then would phase anyone on the WWF side of things, who didn't even begin to tone down their promos until post 9/11, and even then you could say some vile shit for the next seven years.

 

[Sephzilla]

It's safe to say they started it.

In Rock's book he mentions how they both thought kicking out of each other's finishers would be super rad.

Wrestlers kicked out of other people's finishers well before Rock and Austin did.

 

[Hidden One]

View from last night. Wasn't too bad.

 

[Vestal]

...Except they were the ones who tore the house down at X-7 and brought the trading finishers, kick out of every protected move match to the WWE. It's in fact entirely their fault for being awesome.

Yeah in the Main Event of WM.. Not on raw at the half way mark of the show.

 

[BronsonLee]

Wrestlers kicked out of other people's finishers well before Rock and Austin did.

They ramped that shit into fucking overdrive though

 

[jmdajr]

 

[Sephzilla]

They ramped that shit into fucking overdrive though

Yeah, in main event matches for big shows. Not for random matches on Raw.

 

[El Pescado]

There was some segment during the Search where they gave the girls live mics and told them to insult the other girls.

Almost everybody insulted the one chick everyone bad legged to win, and Hemme blasted her with one of the most foul insults ever on live TV. And I can't remember what it was

Cum guzzling gutter slut?

 

[BronsonLee]

Yeah, in main event matches for big shows. Not for random matches on Raw.

I'd also blame Angle, HBK, and that fucker Cena

Cum guzzling gutter slut?

Thaaats the one. I've heard worse, sure, but that shit came out of absolutely nowhere with no prompting

Hemme goes hard in the paint

 

[Man God]

Yeah in the Main Event of WM.. Not on raw at the half way mark of the show.

Right but that match being so awesome trickled down over time to the point where it happens in the middle of a RAW match.

 

[slightconfuse]

Clearly we need a retu3n to Bill Watts wcw. No more top tope,moves

 

[Barrage]

There was some segment during the Search where they gave the girls live mics and told them to insult the other girls.

Almost everybody insulted the one chick everyone bad legged to win, and Hemme blasted her with one of the most foul insults ever on live TV. And I can't remember what it was

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf0OcAfZT8M

"You're a cumguzzling gutterslut."

It's not the worst insult in there, either.

 

[jmdajr]

It only took 1 AA to take out Rollins this time!

Should we complain about that too?

I liked the leg drop to AA. I mean that leg drop should be higher on the damage meter.

 

[Sephzilla]

I'd also blame Angle, HBK, and that fucker Cena

People kicking out of finishers has always been a thing, but in terms of the modern trend of finishes not being safe I kind of think HBK vs Taker 2 at WrestleMania 26 is where things got really out of control.

 

[Vestal]

Right but that match being so awesome trickled down over time to the point where it happens in the middle of a RAW match.

That's why you have bookers, to prevent shit like that. The sort of thing that Hogan vs Macho did, Warrior vs Hogan, or Austin Rock did should be exclusively for a main event type deal, a once in a blue moon type thing.

 

[BronsonLee]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf0OcAfZT8M

"You're a cumguzzling gutterslut."

It's not the worst insult in there, either.

I think once Hemme let loose, all the girls just went for the most vile shit they could possibly say

It was a massive train wreck of the highest order

 

[jmdajr]

People kicking out of finishers has always been a thing, but in terms of the modern trend of finishes not being safe I kind of think HBK vs Taker 2 at WrestleMania 26 is where things got really out of control.

Well remember when the dragon punch used to be enough? Now you need a level 3 super dragon punch.

 

[Man God]

It only took 1 AA to take out Rollins this time!

Should we complain about that too?

I liked the leg drop to AA. I mean that leg drop should be higher on the damage meter.

I was happy about this as well.

If I was booking I'd legitimately consider making people always kicking out of AA (two people kicked out of Super AA's in the past year!) into a training angle where Cena develops a new ultimate finisher.

 

[BronsonLee]

Well remember when the dragon punch used to be enough? Now you need a level 3 super dragon punch.

I only need the one dragon punch.

Bitch.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf0OcAfZT8M

"You're a cumguzzling gutterslut."

It's not the worst insult in there, either.

Holy fuck what was their problem with Carmella, shit was RUTHLESS

 

[Vestal]

It only took 1 AA to take out Rollins this time!

Should we complain about that too?

I liked the leg drop to AA. I mean that leg drop should be higher on the damage meter.

There are a lot of moves that should be much Higher on the damage meter.

1. DDT
2. Powerbomb
3. Corner Powerbomb
4. SuperKick
5. SuperPlex
6. FrogSplash

To name a few.

 

[Man God]

Superkick and Suicide Dive have been done dirty the past few years.

 

[jmdajr]

There are a lot of moves that should be much Higher on the damage meter.

1. DDT
2. Powerbomb
3. Corner Powerbomb
4. SuperKick
5. SuperPlex
6. FrogSplash

To name a few.

It's a good thing Seth missed that one!

 

[Vestal]

It's a good thing Seth missed that one!

I still have some bad memories of him hitting it on Cena, then Cena rolling over and picking him up.

 

[BronsonLee]

Holy fuck what was their problem with Carmella, shit was RUTHLESS

I don't think anybody liked her backstage, and I think she was the ringer, but yeah, what the fuck, girls

 

[Sibersk Esto]

It doesn't matter if it's just a regular DDT, all it takes for a move to get over is good execution and protection, not repetition.