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September Wrasslin |OT| The one night a year when every table will be on the line
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Vestal
Junior Member
I think a bigger issue is that Wrestlers don't appear to protect each others moveset as much.
Just an example from last night. Cena has always been billed as super strong, and how getting hit my a splash and then picking someone up from the ground and putting them on his shoulders was some sort of SUPER feat. Well Rollins, a much smaller man did the same thing to cena last night. It kills the mystique of the whole thing.
Just an example from last night. Cena has always been billed as super strong, and how getting hit my a splash and then picking someone up from the ground and putting them on his shoulders was some sort of SUPER feat. Well Rollins, a much smaller man did the same thing to cena last night. It kills the mystique of the whole thing.
Right but back then it was a shitty finisher. Now a days in the right tag match you could see thirty of them, with people kicking out at one or even no-selling them.
FallingEdge
Member
The Superkick as a standard nonfinishing move is perfectly fine. It should have always been like that.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
It depends. Shawn doing sweet chin music nowadays will get a bigger pop than any of the indy darlings doing it.
Once Neville, fucking NEVILLE, the dude in the kidz pre-show fun for all paintjob 6 man tag last night got the okay to kick out of the AA during a Raw match it was all over. Kicking out of the AA should mean something. But Owens/Cena killed that move along with everything else in their arsenals.
Nothing means anything.
Nothing means anything.
This is a big problem with Rollin's booking.
Cena is booked as superhumanly strong. So are Ryback/Big E/Stroman/Cesaro.
Rollins should be booked that way, but it fucks with his cowardly presentation. Though not that much really as later WWE Eddie was also booked as being really fucking strong and a coward.
Harper's superkick looks like a jaw breaking, death dealing power spot. I think its fine he uses it.
Now Rusev's superkick, for all our praise of him, doesn't look all that great. Or KOs.
Vestal
Junior Member
That's cause Shawn sets it up, and that kick looks fantastic. Also we can count the number of times someone has kicked out of it.
Big Show's KO punch is still protected for whatever fucking reason.
NXT does a much better job of protecting people's finishers usually, at least compared to WWE.
My wrestling headcanon says superkicks should be done by smaller guys or guys who come across as more technical wrestlers. Harper is built up as a big strong dude who has a clothes line that takes your head off. He shouldn't be doing superkicks or suicide dives.
Rack Attack.
Nothing means nothing man
Also Macho would never exsist in the modern WWE.
Looking at the camera
wearing sunglasses
improvising
not using buzzwords
not putting over Steph and HHH
If you only watch WWE
BronsonLee
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Vestal
Junior Member
Spear
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Vestal
Junior Member
Btw.. Quick question for more International Wrestlegaf.. Does anyone use the Razors Edge?
I was listening to the SCSA Podcast with Hall, and was surprised to find out that Scott actually came up with that move....
Also was very surprised to find out how Jake Roberts came up with the DDT(by accident), and how he used to practice it(Pillow and mirror) .
I was listening to the SCSA Podcast with Hall, and was surprised to find out that Scott actually came up with that move....
Also was very surprised to find out how Jake Roberts came up with the DDT(by accident), and how he used to practice it(Pillow and mirror) .
Off the top of my head these are the most protected moves as of right now.
Red Arrow: Zero kick outs
Pedigree: Zero kick outs (I like to think it's being saved for Rollins to kick out of)
Sister Abigail: Cena kicked out once I think
Reigns Spear: Zero kick outs (maybe Brock did, idk)
Shellshock: Zero kick outs (Cena probably did during their feud but that was before my time)
That's all I can think of right now. I don't count Shows punch because fuck that noise.
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Deleted member 47027
Unconfirmed Member
Harper has a delightful big boot.
Shaemus used to use the Razor's Edge (called it the Celtic Cross) but I haven't see him use that in a long time. I'd like to see someone use that as a finisher, I always liked the move.
Vestal
Junior Member
You are limiting pedigree from Rollins right?
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Bull hammer elbow is protected
A crucifix powerbomb? Yeah a few. Sheamus used it for awhile, and Hernandez frequently murders people with it because fuck Hernandez.
A crucifix powerbomb? Yeah a few. Sheamus used it for awhile, and Hernandez frequently murders people with it because fuck Hernandez.
Vestal
Junior Member
Maybe his son!
Harper is amazing.
If only he wasn't stuck trying to keep the bearded hipster over.
Imagine Harper in the Kane role or as the muscle for HHH.
Dude can work with anyone on the roster and isn't bad on the mic.
Yeah I haven't seen a quarter of what HHH has done so I have no idea. I don't count the Warrior thing cos lolwarrior.
slightconfuse
Banned
Is Y 2 Job on Raw?
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Deleted member 47027
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Man, thinking about it, losing Punk is a real shame. So much talent I would love to see work a program with him, now.
Vestal
Junior Member
Since the Razor's Edge got brought up, I have to say that I think Razor/Scott Hall is kind of quietly pretty high up on my list of favorite wrestlers. I loved his finisher and the guy had a ton of natural charisma.
Why Quietly? I mean the guy was a blast to see. A tall guy, who can work, can sell and is gold on the mic.
blackaroni
Member
Sibersk Esto
Banned
The lower tier guys who lose often technically have protected finishers. The rough ryder, for example.
Vestal
Junior Member
Protection by omission? =p
Yet to have an open challenge vs Cena or work a main event feud, so yes it seems that way!
Just wait though, soon we'll have guys kicking out of shit on Superstars.
It's just that people like Hogan, Austin, Rock, Cena, Flair, Bret Hart, Taker, and so on will almost always pop up as people's GOAT. I think some people would object to the idea that Hall might be better than some of them
Punk, when he actually gave a shit, was fucking gold. I think he'd still be with WWE if they would have actually let him main event Mania while he was champ :/
FlammableD
Banned
X shouldn't do move Y is total bullshit, unless the reasoning is X can't do move Y.
If a certain move clashes with someones general wrestling style or character, they shouldn't be doing it. Like, imagine if Big Show started doing a goddamn Figure Four.
Vestal
Junior Member
I personally put Scott Hall up in a separate special section of Wrestling Lore.
Scott Hall
Curt Henning
Arn Anderson
Rick Rude
Steamboat
Windham
These guys were cream of the crop performers that while not mentioned in the "Pop Culture" Wrestling Greats, should be considered as such.
Regardless of who is at fault I think it really speaks to Vince that he can't keep talent around anymore.
I think after Brock left the first time he is petrified of putting somebody in a good spot.
Unless you are a complete yes man like Cena you won't get the chances to shine like older guys did.
Batista
Punk
Rock
Lesnar
All really left because of the crazy house show schedule and Vince doesn't pay guys in the same way WCW did 20 years ago.
Any organization needs to deal with problem employees and create an environment where they can best work and make money.
Look at Jon Jones. UFC game him every single chance and worked with him because it was best for business. Assuming everything Punk said is true if they just gave him some time off or paid him the money or redid his merch to the cena main event levels.
Wouldn't the best thing for WWE to do with Punk is give him a break the same way Orton wants time off today?
The organization is being hamstring on Vince's borderline insane work ethic. Dude hasn't had a vacation in 31 years now.
You'd be hard pressed to find any other people in business successful like that. Plus outside of Jobs and maybe Howard Hughes micromanagers don't manage scale to giant national corps.
I honestly believe that if Wrestling had a traditional month off or even a 1 month off season it would reinvigorate the talent, create hype in new angles and ending angles, and it would give creative time to absorb culture and feel out what type of angles could work.
Sting injured at Night of Champions 2015
http://www.wwe.com/inside/sting-injured-at-night-of-champions-2015
http://www.wwe.com/inside/sting-injured-at-night-of-champions-2015
sf2fanatic
Member
Can't believe they wasted a spot on Jericho. Then the ending to it was even more stupid. R Truth or anyone else on the roster would of been a better use.
They needed somebody who could handle the loss while being a creditable performer.
Those spots with Stroman looking like a monster was the entire point of that match. Its to build him up for a babyface (most likley Reigns or Cena if they get chicken)
Y2J was a smart choice for that the issue is it wasn't really a PPV match or an entertaining angle.
they're totally gonna push this feud until Survivor Series so brace yourself
blackaroni
Member
R-Truth would make sense...especially with the Lunatic Fringe making the call. Why wouldn't he call someone that's equally crazy like Truth.
Ugh. Nooooooo.
FlammableD
Banned
That would be an effective move for someone with huge, powerful, some would say tree trunk like legs to do
Vestal
Junior Member
It also looks like it sets up some Ambrose vs Y2J which can only be good for Ambrose in the long run.