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September Wrasslin |OT| The one night a year when every table will be on the line
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Those toons were good
Ninja Scooter
Member
The Legends special with Bischoff was good but JBL is the fucking worst.
i legitimately don't think anything is going to change.
BronsonLee
Member
THEY'RE TAKING OVER
They need some kind of total re-think, if it's even possible to change at this point. Raw is just water treading tedium between PPVs, of which you'll already have seen most of the matches multiple times already if you do actually watch Raw.
El Pescado
Member
They should probably just replace Raw with NXT. Ratings would skyrocket.
Officerrob
Banned
The Raw rating is deserved, I fell asleep during the Naomi/Natalya match. WWE is actually very fortunate that MNF doesn't get the chance to swap out for better games like SNF does.
Even when Brock was back after summerslam the numbers were down.
3 hour raws are killing the company and they need to do something about it.
Coldnoodle
Member
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Deleted member 47027
Unconfirmed Member
To be fair, I don't have to actually be playing Skyrim to call it complete trash.
Ninja Scooter
Member
They must see it as a net negative if they lost an hour of commercial time by reducing RAW's runtime. It's doubly worse if they do go to 2 hour RAWS and ratings don't improve much.
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
Nothing will change and you'll like it, dammit.
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NFL REGULAR SEASON Live ESPN 8:15 PM 12479 4.7
LOVE & HIP HOP HLLYWD 2 VH1 8:00 PM 2562 1.4
SPORTSCENTER: Live ESPN 11:37 PM 3120 1.4
WWE ENTERTAINMENT USA 8:00 PM 3420 1.2
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When Sunny Mac is right, Sunny Mac is right.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
Melissa Santos from LU did a Periscope miniQ&A. Tapings in late Oct and early Nov, plan is to be back on air in January, and if you're a
fan, you're going to be happy for what they have in store
Rey
Does the hashtag mean he does it for free/drinks?
Ninja Scooter
Member
Sibersk Esto
Banned
I don't know if this is supposed to be short term or a clever pun on the merchandise heavy model of wwe
Its hard to go back to 2 when they are getting paid well to do 3 hours.
As for Lucha does this effect Ricochet and him doing New Japan dates?
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Deleted member 47027
Unconfirmed Member
I did play Skyrim and it was terrible, but I stopped. Still terrible. It's ok though, that scratches a certain itch. It's like scratching an open world RPG itch with a tissue, not a back scratcher.
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Deleted member 47027
Unconfirmed Member
Problem with that is the advertisers and USA have paid for Raw, not NXT. It sounds small but it's a huge thing. "Well we no longer have 3 hours of the longest running show on whatever"
avengers23
Banned
The dude did say "PLEASE DO NOT FLAG AS INAPPROPRIATE BECAUSE I WILL LOSE THIS CHANNEL THANK YOU".
Sibersk Esto
Banned
No way the wwe will take nxt off the network. It needs all the exclusives it can get.
they are getting paid for programming. Maybe they can run NXT or create something else.
They are writing for 1 hour raws anyway. They stretch out the shows so much with padding and recaps.
avengers23
Banned
FUCK yes. Between this and the DVD covers that were posted earlier in the thread, the hype is rising again.
Cut Raw to 2 hours and replace Smackdown with NXT.
They could easily do more with less
slightconfuse
Banned
Only if it conflicts with a taping date.
Roland_Gunner
Member
There would be a short term revenue hit to moving back to two hours but they have to suck it up. Three hours is killing the audience and the long term damage far outweighs the short term impact. USA may want to keep going for several more months to line up replacement programming but they need to start talking about it now.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Roland_Gunner
Member
I think he also has a TV exclusive with LU so none of his matches can be shown on AXS.
I doubt advertisers would actually know there's a difference or care. They are just paying for advertising on a 3 hour block of WWE television on USA. They only care about whether or not people are seeing their advertisements.
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Deleted member 47027
Unconfirmed Member
I've heard it talked about a ton by Court Bauer, who does the TV and advertiser side of things and is experienced in it, and says it absolutely does matter when it comes to contracts - they'd say "I paid for this, and you're trying to give me this? Fuck you"
Ninja Scooter
Member
I'm not entirely convinced that NXT wouldn't do a lot worse in terms of ratings in RAW's spot. USA would probably cancel that shit.
avengers23
Banned
I did like Monty Brown's The Serengeti, Mankind's Boiler Room, and Oz's The Emerald City.
Deuce and Domino's The Other Side of the Tracks cracked me up a few times.
Duke Droese hailed from Mt. Trashmore, Florida, which is a real place.
And who can forget Juan Cena's West Newbarnia, Mexico?
BronsonLee
Member
NXT falls apart if it's on USA every week.
Too many fingers in the pie if that happens.
Too many fingers in the pie if that happens.
While a fine theory, I watched a few 90 minute Raw's on Hulu Plus and those aren't that much better either. Raw will still suck, just suck for an hour less and with less good wrestling and more squashes.
Yeah, NXT on USA would only really work if there's no outside mingling with the product. Aka - no Vince or Dunn.
But I can't believe NXT would do worse than Raw right now. NXT at least fucking tries to put out an interesting product and generally succeeds. Raw doesn't and that's why ratings are down.
But I can't believe NXT would do worse than Raw right now. NXT at least fucking tries to put out an interesting product and generally succeeds. Raw doesn't and that's why ratings are down.
Jimmy King
Member
WHAT?
BronsonLee
Member
...you've never heard that expression?
also who's old name is this, I'm out of the loop
tough enough's issue was the format.
Not enough wrestling for wrestling fans, not enough reality for reality fans.
slightconfuse
Banned
He did a have a match shown in AXS. super Jr finals and the match vs ibushi
Ninja Scooter
Member
As terrible as RAW is doing, it still has the big names. It still has Cena. And Sting. And Taker. And Brock. NXT has none of that mainstream traction. It would absolutely do worse. I think you guys are crazy overestimating how popular NXT is, especially beyond the IWC and hardcore fans. Obviously it's not a 1:1 comparison due to the network it's on, but Lucha Underground has a lot of the same type of hype and demo as NXT (and deservedly so, it's fantastic) but it's ratings are miniscule compared to even bad WWE numbers.