Barbacoatl
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Sexual assault and the porn world: Stoya accuses James Deen of rape
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davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
i'm definitely not in the "not shocked this happened" aisle. i would say that i am surprised.
Airola
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Yeah, I don't mean to demonize choking or other forms of fetishes. But I think there should be some sense of what you want to show in mainstream high budget pornography which is specifically aimed to reach as many adult viewers as possible (and with parodies, they aim to be able to get non-regular porn viewers to see their stuff too).
It's not a surprising thing that stuff like that appearing in otherwise "vanilla" porn would make many people creeped out. Choking or being choked, while being liked by many, is still a thing for a niche audience. Powerplay and mild "violence" isn't a thing that people generally deep down like. You still need a certain mindset to get sexual enjoyment from that, which isn't a bad thing in itself.
This is purely "armchair psychology" from me, but seeing Deen constantly going for the more aggressive tone in his porn performances no matter what "level" of porn he is doing makes me feel that it wouldn't be impossible for him to eventually think he can do that stuff outside of filming and that women would deep down like it even if they would say no. In porn, the director isn't always the one who decides what happens, but especially if the performer is very popular he/she gets to decide a lot of what they are going to do. The choking and aggressiviness is pretty much all Deen in those movies. For an armchair psychologist it would seem to be that Deen has been a bit too much into that type of stuff and because of that this kind of news wouldn't be a surprise.
But yes, it's true that those videos alone aren't a sign that Deen would do any harm to anyone and people who like that kind of stuff aren't would-be-rapists.
It for sure is disturbing to watch a girl being chocked during sex. Or really any context. The act of chocking is disturbing and especially towards women. I don't think I can ever actually do it. Being chocked is a different thing; its exiting to even just think about it. But it's definitely one of the weirder fetishes. Like foot fetishes don't hurt people, you know?
Monster Zero
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So we're calling this man a rapist based off this tweet and how he behaves in porn films.
Beyond some bruising that fades in time, what lasting pain is caused?
CambriaRising
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That "tweet" is a public accusation from his alleged victim. Not exactly trivial evidence.
It's nott so much lasting pain as much as the in-the-moment pain. But idk. It's a fine practice.
I'm told it's very liberating, therapeutic and in some ways relaxing to be on the pain side sometimes. That there's a sense of euphoria that comes from being in enough pain that allows a person to just relax and accept the pain and that's where it becomes incredibly enjoyable. They've found being put through that afterwards can calm them way down and help them relieve stress.
Anyways I digress, but my point is unless someone is getting killed or maimed there's nothing wrong with BDSM, slapping, choking or biting. We shouldn't be suspecting someone for being scum because they're have mutually consented sex this way, that's just kink-shaming. We should instead be suspecting someone because their victim on twitter made a claim that they raped them.
cartoon_soldier
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She is doing this publicly because there was no other recourse. James Deen has a lot of power, and evidence can be explained as part of porn shoot + getting a jury to believe this can happen.
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That's horrible.
Funyarinpa
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Are you implying that an allegation is evidence, but has enough weight to not be called "trivial"? It can only be evidence in the sense that the details of the accusation (time, place, whether they were repeated occasions etc.) would shape the investigation (since investigation would be, by definition, the research of if there's a sufficient factual basis for these claims).
The poster you replied to was (unless I misinterpreted) saying that this accusation isn't INCRIMINATIING evidence, as in, factual basis for the allegation itself.
Are you arguing that the allegation is a factual basis? That's only true when it's proven beyond a reasonable doubt via investigation that the allegation holds true. Are you implying that an allegation can be factual basis for itself being true?
This is the worst thread I've ever seen on this website.
hodayathink
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He can only sue her for defamation if he can prove she's lying. And unless there was a camera rolling, he can't prove she's lying any more than she can prove she's telling the truth.
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
dude has his priorities in line
dude has his priorities in line
November 19th?
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
dude has his priorities in line
His whole twitter is just jokes and self promotion. Not really meant to be serious.
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
Jesus I wasn't making a clever retort about the current situation
I was complimenting his tweets. calm down
I was complimenting his tweets. calm down
Who are you responding to?
But none of it was really bad though lol. Could have just shrugged it off, no one was going to come after you on that.
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
The people who responded to me?
Bluekaveli
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Disgusting
That's all I can say. I hope this is handled.
That's all I can say. I hope this is handled.
Let's see how this proceeds in the justice system, is my thoughts. I'm a fan of neither Deen nor Stoya; though I watch porn, neither is to my tastes. I suspect it goes nowhere.
I've seen a lot of porn over the last two decades. James Deen was very convincing with the rough scenes. I'm not sure if that's his thing but this allegation doesn't surprise me.
I've seen a lot of porn over the last two decades. James Deen was very convincing with the rough scenes. I'm not sure if that's his thing but this allegation doesn't surprise me.
Mister Wilhelm
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No, it is not. You provided an example of a very obvious liar lying when I was arguing about the method of accusation. You refuted nothing and made no relevant point.
Again, not the point I made. I agreed with you that opening up can be incredibly difficult. I said the method she used was a drive-by. It is. Literally all she did was the equivalent of running up to a crowd of people and shouting "JAMES DEEN RAPED ME" and then running off.
Except, she did it online with the entire world listening.
What she should have done was consulted a lawyer and the police and put together two documents - one for legal purposes with all of the necessary facts needed to persecute him.
THEN, if she decides she wants to make a statement to the public, she should have used that legal document as a guideline and omitted any information that was not necessary for an initial narrative on the situation and presented it.
She should have also consulted a therapist during the process to help guide her through the situation emotionally, because it is NOT easy and their advice will benefit the process along with giving her another avenue of testimony should she need it.
She's going about this in a horrible way and eve though I'm currently inclined to believe her, like I mentioned, this is a very dangerous thing to do.
Future Foundation
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dude has his priorities in line
That was a few days ago.
Funyarinpa
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Trust isn't enough to base a judgment when it comes to a rape allegation.
That's outside our scope of knowledge, but that doesn't mean there certainly isn't any such reason (or that there IS, for that matter). This doesn't validate Stoya's case until the answer is reached through investigation.
This is a terrible attitude to have. Guilty till proven innocent at its finest. There is no way to know anyone's motive unless you investigate it. That's kinda why there is a procedure to investigate, ya know.
Everyone would like to believe the victim.
Ha, you clearly never saw the Charlie Sheen-HIV thread.
People were arguing that people with HIV have no obligation to disclose that fact prior to sexual relations.
CambriaRising
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An allegation is absolutely evidence in a rape case. It's first person testimony. The fuck?
That's fucking horrible. Hopefully an investigation is conducted on him and he doesn't find any work in the industry until it is finished.
Wait they got banned for asking who they are?
Lmao okay
Wait they got banned for asking who they are?
Lmao okay
"The entire world"
I don't get this attitude. Who do you think is your audience here? You trying to instruct non-Stoya women reading this thread how to deal with their rape experiences? Why do you think this is a good look. For whom do you think this post is valuable?
hodayathink
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Two things:
First, this probably happened over a year ago. She broke up with him last August. This isn't something that happened a little while ago and she's broadcasting it to the world without thinking about it. She has thought about it. For a while. Truthfully, between the time this probably happened and right now, she's actually started up a website and put up scenes with her and him together in them, and put up scenes that he's in directed by other people (like I said earlier, including one starring and directed by one of the performers that came out in solidarity with her).
Secondly, she does see a therapist. She's mentioned it before. That's not really something I expect you to know, but I just thought I'd tell you.
They got banned for shit-posting, specifically since I included the "porn world" in the title to let people know these were performers.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Well, fuck this guy if true, but the reality is most allegations like this can't really be proven one way or the other, at least per the current legal standard of "beyond a reasonable doubt". Absent that, I'm not really willing to condemn someone as guilty of something so heinous unless there's reasonably strong evidence to do so.
rocketskates
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#istandwithstoya
I don't see any reason she would lie. And getting Joanna to offer consolation, well lets see what Lexi Belle has to say :/
I don't see any reason she would lie. And getting Joanna to offer consolation, well lets see what Lexi Belle has to say :/
Oh boy. No one is acting like they're judge and jury here. There hasn't even been discussion of an investigation, just a claim. All I was saying is that a professional female in the porn industry that has experience doing scenes similar to rape etc has a pretty damn good idea when her consent is no longer given. That's my opinion. That's it.
Doctor Ironic
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Shitposting like "Who?" is not a matter of "I'm genuinely uninformed on the issue, please tell me more?" but a matter of "I don't know who these people are and as a result literally nobody should care about it."
Even the former is a little blase considering Google and Wikipedia exist and can solve your issue in a matter of seconds before you post.
ramoisdead
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It's fucked up if it's true. Glad to see everyone's rallying her for support. I'm hoping she file charges as well.
Ahh that makes sense.
Didn't really see it as shit posting, especially since the poster didn't follow up later. Thought they got banned before they could.
Nevermind then.
Funyarinpa
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As I perceive it, it is evidence in the sense that it will shape the investigation. We don't know if it's CREDIBLE evidence though, I did try to clarify this im my post. In that sense, it IS important evidence.
However, the post you quoted was using evidence as "fact that solidifies Stoya's case based on fact", which you refuted by the "thing that influences case" interpretation of the word "evidence". The poster was saying "the only basis you have credifying this accusation is the accusation itself which might be true or untrue", your rebuttal of "it influences the case, duh!" is invalid. That is not their point.
Mister Wilhelm
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WOW.
Are you really trying to shame me for giving a detailed description of the proper way to handle a rape accusation that protects both parties until the legal process is over?
And to answer your question, it's obviously valuable to anyone part of this discussion.
I'm usually all against shame-justice, but I don't really get your point. She knows whether she's telling the truth - it's not as if she's spreading a rumor she isn't certain of. And if it is true, I doubt she cares about ruining his life and career, nor would I expect her to.
Also, what laws are you even referring to? Bear in mind he's a public figure, for which even the potentially relevant laws have different standards.
Do you have some expertise or experience here you'd like to share?
The world is bigger than "the legal process". Why would she care about "protecting" both parties?
How do you know she hasn't discussed this with lawyers and therapists? Do you have some evidence here you'd like to share?
GAF has deep roots in basic human decency.
NullPointer
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Social media now trumps due process? Did the internet finally decide that once and for all?
This is a scary thread.
This is a scary thread.
I assume the thought there is it opens her up for a libel suit if he suffers damages from the accusation and the criminal charges (if there are any brought) don't stick.
Just my $0.02, but I wouldn't be surprised either way this event turns out.
Edit: Court of public opinion has always been separate from the justice system. Doesn't matter what the court decides if people THINK you did it.
Who has said that in this thread?
He's a public figure, so it's a lot harder to prove libel.
SuperBanana
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Wow, that's awful. He fucks hundreds of women including rough and roleplay rape. Why the hell does he have to actually do it?! What a cunt. I feel like this guy has been in porn so much and fucked so many women that there must be others right? I wonder if this will open a flood gate?
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