Shadowloo Showdown 2011 | Fighting game tournament in Melbourne, AU | June 25-26
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toastyToast
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You're about 12 hours too late, brah.Aurarian said:
scytheavatar
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JeTmAn81 said:
Why do you think everyone's complaining about Wolverine? Even if you predict him what can you do about his speed? That can be made even worse by berserker charge? Or the ridiculous hit box of his dive kick? Or those tornado claws?
Wolverine can still be defeated by a very good player (see how Chris G fared against Wong) but I honestly can't see Wong being able to defeat Wolverine + Phoenix. Yet.
bigben85 said:
Nah, Tokido is good in AE but far from the level of Poongko and Momochi. He barely defeated that Singaporean. Poongko is really remarkable, I would love to see how he performs against Daigo because I do suspect Daigo has finally found his match.
Spirit of Jazz
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Well done if you predict Tokido's first berserker slash set-up. You reward for doing so is nothing, he's utterly safe and by god you best kill him before his assist recharges or he'll get another berserker 50/50 and if you guess wrong your character is dead.
Sounds like someone who has never actually played MVC3 and fought against a good Wolverine.
Everyone and their grandma knows what Wolverine/Tokido will do in a match. No one can stop it. The Berserker Slash cross up is imperceptible to the human eye meaning if done correctly it cannot be blocked with human reflexes. Combining it with an assist makes the probability even lower. When you realize that he has used a Berserker Slash, it's already too late. Even if you get lucky and block it, you will have to deal with the accompanying assist or if he did it naked then he can easily make it safe with Berserker Charge.
And I haven't even talked about his mix ups against in-coming characters and his instant overheads.
JeTmAn81
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I don't think its true that Berserker Slash can't be blocked on reaction. That would be a game breaking flaw. It's just very difficult to react to because of its speed. But really the assist isn't so much the problem because you only have to worry about blocking the point character. Granted it doubles up on attacks to defend from but you still only have to block one direction at any given time. It is tough to punish after the block though.
Ogrekiller
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Salazar said:
Who doesn't ride Mike Ross though?
It's almost impossible to block on reaction especially the close range ones (longest range one can be blocked if you know it's going to cross up or if you know it's going to hit front).JeTmAn81 said:
The problem is that even if you master learning to block the cross up, they can easily mix up the range so that it will hit from the front. The stupidest thing about Berserker Slash is some of the time, even the Wolverine player doesn't know which side he will end up as (I use Wolverine a lot so I know about this). So if the user doesn't know which side he will end up on and he knows what button he pressed, how will the opposing player know which way to block?
The assist combination allows for even more ridiculous shenanigans. If you time the assist, EVEN IF YOU WHIFF with Berserker Slash the assist will catch them from the front because you have switched sides so fast. This is the key to the Jam Session/B. Slash combination which crosses up a character in mid-air (they can't even see Wolverine down below). Jam Session captures them on the cross up and Wolverine goes to town. The two main reasons why Berserker Slash + assist is godly is A) it makes the Slash safe and B) it allows Wolverine to combo after the hit. Otherwise he would have to burn a meter for the combo or safety.
Another problem with B.Slash is that it hits pretty high so if you are just going around normal jumping you can easily be caught by it. It also allows Wolverine to by pass Advancing Guard or even punish it with a cross up. Lock down opponent with assist, pressure, they Adv Guard the last hit as soon as the assist goes away, you B.Slash cross up into B.Charge for the free combo.
It's real funny how people say Wolverine can 50/50 you into a combo kill when in reality... if you are at the wrong place at the wrong time and the opponent knows what he is doing with Wolverine (ie. knows the ranges of the Slashes) the percentage is HEAVILY in his favor that he will land the cross up.
Rice-Eater
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I'm still on a high from AE finals yesterday morning(East Coast over here). I'm so happy for Poongko and hope this opens up some opportunities for him like it did for Gamerbee when he eliminated Justin Wong last year. Difference is Poongko took out one Japanese grand master after another to win Shadowloo Showdown and honestly, he made it look kind of easy. His showmanship is also great for the crowd. He also finally beat Infiltration in a tournament just a month ago, hopefully he can come to EVO and carry this momentum with him.
I'm sure the Japanese there and at home who are planning to attend EVO must have taken notice and will probably start preparing for the possibility of running into Poongko.
I'm sure the Japanese there and at home who are planning to attend EVO must have taken notice and will probably start preparing for the possibility of running into Poongko.
Me and Seph were playing on PSN earlier and he was blowing me up with the beserker slash shenigans. It's actually really hard to block even though you know it's coming. It may be a little predictable after a while, but that shit is so safe it doesn't matter how predictable it is, eventually, you're going to get hit unless you kill Wolverine. Still more scared of Wesker XF3 though.
Rice-Eater
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Busaiku said:
I was comparing Poongko's run in SS2K11 compared to Gamerbee's run in EVO 2K10. Gamerbee was a unknown while Poongko was still the guy who demolishes scrubs on Youtube but wouldn't stand a chance against the best in a live tournament. Both guys blew it up in large stages. I'm just saying Poongko's run was more impressive and I hope this finally opens up opportunities for him so we can see him in more international tournaments.
KidA Seven
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Rice-Eater said:
Any word on who's going to evo? I know Daigo, Mago, Tokido, GamerBee (probably will), Shiro, and possibly Infiltration are going.
Anyone else going?
He used to be THE Akuma in vanilla SF4 scenes and considering how strong Akuma used to be he was basically one of the best in the world. He dropped Akuma for ibuki / ken in Super however. After that his best score was No.2 in SBR (lose to gamerbee) and he couldn't even make it out of pool play in the 2nd GODSGARDEN online.bigben85 said:
My guess of he picking Yun is he got tired of losing over and over with his mid tier characters to those who used to be half free for him.
KidA Seven
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bigben85 said:
Back in Vanilla, Tokido was ranked 5th (Best Akuma rank wise) and Momochi 7th in overall Arcade BP. Despite that, I always saw Momochi perform better in tournaments. Momochi's team (Kindevu, RF) won Capcom's Japanese national tourney (beating MDR's team). They later went on to beat Daigo's team for SBO. In the concept matches, I think Momochi was the only one who beat Daigo. There are multiple instances. Momochi was the Akuma though.
In Super, Tokido wasn't performing like the powerhouse he is.
Tokido has stepped it up as of late for AE. I would say he and Momochi are equals, but Tokido has been traveling and winning so many tournaments.
DryEyeRelief
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KidA Seven said:
There's also godsgarden2, where Tokido and Momochi met, Tokido won and proceeded to take the entire tournament.
Super, I would give it to Tokido, because Momochi at the tail end of Super was soul searching for a different main.
PepsimanVsJoe
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wario said:
Hell yes.
Looks like I'm not going to be sleeping.
DryEyeRelief
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_Xenon_ said:
I'm talking about GodsGarden2. You're talking about GodsGarden online 2.
In GodsGarden 2, Mago was eliminated by Momochi and Tokido, actually.
Rice-Eater
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KidA Seven said:
Word is Neurosis(#2 Japanese Dictator) and Fuudo are also coming. As for the Koreans, I'm pretty sure the BFF duo of Laugh and Infiltration will probably be there again(seriously, these two go to every international tournament together). Outside of the guys you mentioned and the ones I have, I'm not sure.
I don't know who started it, but at some point somebody said every Japanese a shadowloo is going to EVO, that's not the case. I know Poonkgo won a nice chunk of change, but without a sponsor I don't see him going to EVO. It's probably going to cost more for him to come then what he made. And it seems the word on the street is that he's not that well off either so he can't just save up and come like some of the other internationals(just hearsay though).
But anyways, I hope more come. This might be the last year for the SF4 series to be the outright #1 game at EVO, so hopefully as many top players as possible for AE comes out.
Mago wants that salty runback:
Still haven't watched the tourney match myself, still making my way through Day 1.Gootecks said:
KidA Seven
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The salt, share it with me.
Pissed off Mago must be scary in SF.
Pissed off Mago must be scary in SF.
sixteen-bit
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laaaaame, why doesn't he want it filmed?USD said:
sixteen-bit
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I know Ross felt good about that win over Mago. Mago called him free at Canada Cup.
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CadetMahoney
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mago butthert alert, good good.
GhostRidah
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Thank Huggy Bear for that saying lol
Tallshortman
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It's a common term in the fighting game community for when someone is "angry" over losing a match.
sixteen-bit
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Tears are saltyIfrit said:
DryEyeRelief
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SamVimes said:
He was on that weekend. You want to talk about what counts? Lets talk about single elimination team tournaments.
DryEyeRelief
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_dementia said:
Actually, they were joking around when the question about the Fei/Honda matchup came up. He said he wouldn't lose to any Honda unless it were Mike Ross' Honda.
Foreshadowing?