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Shadowrun Returns |OT| Never, ever cut a deal with a dragon.
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I'm really loving this game right now. I didn't expect the setting to be such a huge part of its charm, but it is. I played the P&P game over a decade ago, and also used to read some of the books, so I guess that helps.
The only major turn-offs are the linearity/simplicity (which I expected, given the developer), and the lack of saving (which doesn't gel at all with how I like to play RPGs).
The only major turn-offs are the linearity/simplicity (which I expected, given the developer), and the lack of saving (which doesn't gel at all with how I like to play RPGs).
Bonfires Down
Member
Biggest disappointment for me are the cartoony graphics and the tounge-in-cheek dialogue. I would have liked something more serious as this kills a lot of the feeling for me.
no idea. I used search on all hard drives, found nothing.
Alright I have come to terms with the save system. The thing is, I play rpgs on the highest difficulty. This battles in this game are actually pretty damn fun on very hard. Problem is when I die, I have to skip through a bunch of dialogue again before I can get to the battle again.
Mini review midpoint of game time:
+ well written (for a videogame of course)
+ combat is very fun on very hard
+ graphics/art are really clean and really good
+ I love the spell selection
+ tons of different runners to build a crew with
- no ability to save game!!!
- not even linear so much as it's really just a bunch of mini story zones that you handle one at a time
I think the game gives more than enough to justify the $20. The editor will surely yield lots of good stuff.
Mini review midpoint of game time:
+ well written (for a videogame of course)
+ combat is very fun on very hard
+ graphics/art are really clean and really good
+ I love the spell selection
+ tons of different runners to build a crew with
- no ability to save game!!!
- not even linear so much as it's really just a bunch of mini story zones that you handle one at a time
I think the game gives more than enough to justify the $20. The editor will surely yield lots of good stuff.
cj_iwakura
Member
I glanced at the editor. If this is akin to being thrown to the deep end, that's being dropped into shark infested waters.
Question about the Coyote's Revenge subquest:
Stuff like that is a big issue with inability to save, but on the upside, it really makes you live with your decisions.
Question about the Coyote's Revenge subquest:
Can you save her cousin?
Stuff like that is a big issue with inability to save, but on the upside, it really makes you live with your decisions.
Dandy Lyin
Member
Yes, you can. I don't remember which choices made it possible, but I saved him.
STAB-Gatekeeper
Member
Finished it yesterday. Loved the world and the art design. While I can understand the complaints about the length, I think the story has a good pacing to it. And for the price I see it more as an investment in a platform for more modules/stories (which is quite clearly the intent with the "New game" menu design). Looking forward to seeing what comes out of the workshop and DLC. The SNES conversion looks promising.
EdwardTivrusky
Member
I've solved my screen scrolling and menu issue and it was VJoy as has been mentioned in other threads. If anyone else has a problem with menus being unusable and the screen continuously scrolling to the top of the map the just disable VJoy in Device Manager under Human Interface Devices.
No need to uninstall VJoy just for Shadowrun. I'm off to get some food and then i'm finally getting to play this game
No need to uninstall VJoy just for Shadowrun. I'm off to get some food and then i'm finally getting to play this game
a secret-boss
Banned
really hate the no manual save game. I play in chunks.
So far that is my only complain. I do like the third person description during a dialogue.
EDIT: wat is 250mb update?
So far that is my only complain. I do like the third person description during a dialogue.
EDIT: wat is 250mb update?
My biggest complaint with the save system is if you fuck something up, you can't just jump back to your quicksave, no you basically have to do the entire last autosave over which can easily be 15 minutes. I don't feel that's appropriate in an RPG. A TPS or an FPS maybe, not an rpg.
Yeah, now that I'm further on in the game, my mage really starts to shine. AoE spells are devastating.
The editor's really complex?
Any chance we'll get custom tilesets/character models, or are we limited only to what HBS releases?
Sapphire Dreams
Member
God the saving system is awful, it's almost as bad as Dark Souls in that regard.
cj_iwakura
Member
He already seems OP from my point in the game(airport revisited).
I'll bite, I guess. This game would be a lot better if it actually used Dark Souls' save system. Saving automatically every time you quit the game would be great!
I feel the art style and the writing are some of the high points and work well together. Doesn't it fit the old Shadowrun games/books?
For what it's worth, Steam reports 8.9 hours of playtime for me and I'm only just now fighting with the shaman lady, Half-Sky or whatnot, on normal difficulty. I don't know what percentage of the game I am in. It may actually be closer to 6.9 hours if I left the game idling for an hour or two because I was sick, so maybe I only have 1 hour left?
About the editor, I tried running it yesterday. I didn't see any way to make a checkpoint happen when you want, so I think the only way to get an autosave is by loading a completely new level, which agrees with the hypothesis that it's due to how they set up and used the engine. It looked like a fairly straightforward setup where you can add triggers to do things when things happen. I'm not sure if you could reorder those easily. I didn't see scripting, and I didn't see anything about importing any asset. I thought I heard it was impossible to make any custom items, spells, import any models, or so forth, but maybe people will try to hack those in if the developers don't stop them. Or maybe support for such things will be added later. I do think that you are able to import custom 2D portraits and 2D backgrounds. If anyone has used the editor more or can correct me on any of this, please let me know.
MrCompletely
Member
I'm playing on hard and it took me about 4 or 5 tries to pass Coyote's Crusade (I am playing with a decker though).
Dark Souls has a great save system, death mechanic, and gameplay that is entirely built around it.
On the other hand, this game features an inadequate checkpointing system because the developers felt a real save system was too much effort.
I think it fits the style of the rulebooks I used way back when really well (I think that was 2nd edition).
I've been playing for a few hours and it definitely has been enjoyable but the entire experience so far has felt very... simple? Straightforward stuff and extremely linear.
I wasn't expecting much more than that though so I guess it's fine. The setting and the writing are pretty cool and they encourage you to keep playing through the game to learn a bit more about the story and the environment.
Simple but charming game. Hope for some more complex gameplay mechanics later in the game or in the future...
I wasn't expecting much more than that though so I guess it's fine. The setting and the writing are pretty cool and they encourage you to keep playing through the game to learn a bit more about the story and the environment.
Simple but charming game. Hope for some more complex gameplay mechanics later in the game or in the future...
Broder Salsa
Banned
The Rug Docotor reporting for duty.
Seems really cool so far, but only a few hours in.
Seems really cool so far, but only a few hours in.
Last Baron
Member
How much lore do you need to know to get the most out of the campaign? I've played the SNES game, a little of the Genesis one (that damn ghoul hideout...) and I'm halfway through the Shadowrun primer.
Just finished it. It was a nice call-back to the good old days. I also preferred it to X-Com 2012 in terms of world-building, dialogue, soundtrack, art direction, and plot (obviously), although it pales mechanically to it.
Definitely happy to have backed this with $125 and I'm really looking forward to seeing in a month or two what the community is able to produce.
Definitely happy to have backed this with $125 and I'm really looking forward to seeing in a month or two what the community is able to produce.
cj_iwakura
Member
Just started Matrixing it up. Good stuff.
Is there a way I can back up Johnny, or do I have to be a decker? It doesn't seem to be an option, even though I have the gear and stats.
Is there a way I can back up Johnny, or do I have to be a decker? It doesn't seem to be an option, even though I have the gear and stats.
Unlikely. At least not through the editor. It seems hard coded to save with scene transitions.
cj_iwakura
Member
The backer wallpaper is actually pretty nice.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
Member
Oh shit, I need to get that. And my physical rewards.
cj_iwakura
Member
I know. The other resolutions were too large, so I went with that.
Windows has an option to fit the selected image properly unto your screen ratio. Go into your wallpaper settings
Lord Phol
Member
This has probably been answered but why can't I equip the gear I just bought?
There's a merchant at the beginning of the game at a bar that sells clothing, bought two different sets, but when i try to send it over from my stash nothing happens :s.
Don't want to run around naked D:
There's a merchant at the beginning of the game at a bar that sells clothing, bought two different sets, but when i try to send it over from my stash nothing happens :s.
Don't want to run around naked D:
Stuck on mission: Stop the
So far, I've:
Now the situation is
What am I missing? Any tips? Thanks.
ceremony
So far, I've:
killed all bugs that came out of walls, depleted jessica's HP, shut down the 4 insect power things she was drawing power from.
I can not target jessica, the elf sacrifice can not be targeted either (and is immune to dmg if I drop an AOE attack near her), the insect power nodes are targetable but immune to all dmg types, physical, magic, bug spray.
Welp, few hours in and I feel pretty meh at this point. I, of course, love the art work and atmosphere, but I'm not a huge fan of how "shallow" it feels overall. I was expecting that it would be like this, but nevertheless, I shoveled forth my $125.
Everything is very simple and easy and feels about an inch deep. World really isn't a world, just a bunch of linear connected scenes. But oh well, I'm still going to play through it.
One thing that can surely go to hell is the save system, almost entirely defeats the purpose of turn-based combat.
Everything is very simple and easy and feels about an inch deep. World really isn't a world, just a bunch of linear connected scenes. But oh well, I'm still going to play through it.
One thing that can surely go to hell is the save system, almost entirely defeats the purpose of turn-based combat.
cj_iwakura
Member
Come at me, chummers.
Like a kid in a candy store.
Like a kid in a candy store.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
This game to me is load up with as many shotguns as you can carry and kneecap everyone.
xxjuicesxx
Member
Make sure you meet the requirements of the clothes/armor.
When you buy them an equip screen should come up you can then click the stuff over to your outfit spot by hitting the yellow arrow.
If you confirmed out of it you'll have to go to your stash and click the yellow arrow on your gear to equip in your outfit slot.
I'm really enjoying it. Not being able to save is not cool, and I wish that I could level up my other runners but I love everything else.
The reason I loved the original SNES Shadowrun was the MOOD. There was this incredible atmosphere to it that completely drew you in. The combat wasn't great, it was incredibly difficult to figure out how to proceed at points, and it also had a pretty bare-bones save system.
However, it didn't matter because I was totally drawn into this incredible world. Shadowrun Returns nails that same feeling with better mechanics and graphics. Is it flawed compared to other games? Of course, but if you care about this type of Sci-Fi there is absolutely nothing like it.
It's the same way I feel about Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines and Mass Effect 1, where the world and mood were soooo good that it overcame the mechanics. I'm so happy that this exists!
Man, I really want to buy this game, but the lack of save-anywhere is a major turn-off for me. Glad the majority of people are enthusiastic about the game itself, though. I know I'll concede defeat and purchase sooner rather than later, but in the meantime I'm very disappointed.
same feelings here, I'm waiting for it to be patched in sooner or later. If not, I'll buy it on Christmas sale probably. Would have bought it now if save system was ok or checkpoints more generous at least.
I think I've hit an infuriating bug, for folks who've beaten it want to verify I'm not missing something?
What I'm assuming is the end mission, going after the bug nest with the aegis guns. I'm on the second "floor" and have fought my way through it, the last room 2 walls exploded and bugs came out, after killing everything in that room nothing else is happening. There is no exit, nothing for me to interact with and no way to proceed. Was something supposed to trigger here or did I miss something?
I think there was a 250mb patch to fix that from happening. I have the patch and it ended the way it should have right were you are at.
Does the patch install automatically on Steam or do I have to do something?
I got the patch last night...
Shit there was like 5 battles on this floor... This fucking save system man. Fuck me.