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[Etzer]

I'm confused, do we know anything concrete about the Wii U's internals or are we just going with "WII U IS ON PAR WITH PS360" until proven otherwise?

On topic:
If that price is right, then I'm sure I'll get it at launch. The launch window line-up looks more than good enough for me.

 

[RagnarokX]

For me, there are two games that do this. Pikmin 3 and P-100 (admittedly both are launch window).

I'm really excited for NSMB U, but it's hard to distance itself from its NSMB brand, even though it looks pretty great. And Rayman Legends seems quite excellent; the only reason I would consider not day-1'ing is because Ubisoft. It'll drop to $30 in 2 months or less.

There have only been 2 NSMB games. First one was a dud, second one was the best 2D Mario game ever. If NSMBU continues the trend upwards...

 

[Meelow]

Where did this multiplier come from?

Reliable sources that I've been hearing around here.

But people are acting like the Wii U is on par with the 360, gosh just because you haven't seen a next gen graphical game at E3 it doesn't mean it won't happen in the future.

 

[Lion Heart]

If Zombie U was a ps3 exclusive it would be considered the most generic game ever.

The lineup is okay but the problem is it doesn't have the next gen visual bump that gets you excited for a new console. Its like buying new hardware for games we are already playing. So even in retrospect, the 360s launch wasn't great, you were excited to play PGR3 because it looked better than anything we've seen and even shitty games like Kameo and PDZ were worth playing because of that.

Than you had Gears and Oblivion to look forward to, two games that would really bring in the next gen feeling. Thats my take anyway.

 

[zroid]

I guess I should at least try to say something on-topic!

$299 is what I've been expecting for a while so I've been psyching myself up to pay that much. $249 would've been fantastic and made me wet myself, but I'm happy to throw $300 at Nintendo. There will probably be some pre-order deals anyway.

There have only been 2 NSMB games. First one was a dud, second one was the best 2D Mario game ever. If NSMBU continues the trend upwards...

Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that the series is "bad" per se, just that NSMBU is going to be the second of them this year, and I'm feeling a bit saturated by those games. Then again, I felt that way about NSMB2 when first revealed, and now I'm massively hyped for it. The same will probably happen with NSMBU over the coming months.

 

[Duxxy3]

Too much.

 

[JordanN]

The problem with this line-up is that the multi-platform games which all sound like big gets are going to be on par with the 360/PS3 versions, with slight improvements in visuals for a few or tacked-on pad functionality. Now if the Wii U was a 'true' next-gen leap in terms of hardware specs, people wouldn't be ignoring these multi-platform games when discussing the launch line-up. You know what I mean? like my 3 year old pc will probably run all those multi-plats better than the Wii U and have better online functionality. If the Wii U was a full leap technically that wouldn't be the case and i'd definitely be more inclined to purchase these multi-plats for it rather than my PC (or 360/PS3 if i had one).

Have you ever thought about devs not choosing to upgrade the graphics for Wii U?

I'm confused, do we know anything concrete about the Wii U's internals or are we just going with "WII U IS ON PAR WITH PS360" until proven otherwise?

On topic:
If that price is right, then I'm sure I'll get it at launch. The launch window line-up looks more than good enough for me.

It's been proven to be more powerful (since forever).

 

[metalslimer]

]If Zombie U was a ps3 exclusive it would be considered the most generic game ever. [/B]

The lineup is okay but the problem is it doesn't have the next gen visual bump that gets you excited for a new console. Its like buying new hardware for games we are already playing. So even in retrospect, the 360s launch wasn't great, you were excited to play PGR3 because it looked better than anything we've seen and even shitty games like Kameo and PDZ were worth playing because of that.

Than you had Gears and Oblivion to look forward to, two games that would really bring in the next gen feeling. Thats my take anyway. I'l

How? People keep calling it generic, but have you actually read how the game works?

 

[BY2K]

299$ is what I was expecting, so I'm sold.

This + Pro Controller + NSMBU + Darksiders II would do nicely.

 

[Meelow]

If Zombie U was a ps3 exclusive it would be considered the most generic game ever.

The lineup is okay but the problem is it doesn't have the next gen visual bump that gets you excited for a new console. Its like buying new hardware for games we are already playing. So even in retrospect, the 360s launch wasn't great, you were excited to play PGR3 because it looked better than anything we've seen and even shitty games like Kameo and PDZ were worth playing because of that.

Than you had Gears and Oblivion to look forward to, two games that would really bring in the next gen feeling. Thats my take anyway. I'l

Xbox 360 launch.

 

[ZombiePlatypus]

This is a good price, considering the Wii U is 3-4x more powerful than the PS3/360, it's good.

But why are their people like "I was expecting $200 or $250 >.<" really?, I can bet you same people would buy the PS4 and 720 if it was $400.

Sony and the other one have conditioned their demographic to perceive their consoles to be worth that premium. Nintendo went the other route with the Wii, so if they are gonna ride that brand with their new console, then people are gonna expect the same approachable price point. I'm personally not buying another console above $250 regardless of the maker.

 

[Canis lupus]

Would be surprised if it wasnt 249 or 299.

 

[popeutlal]

Hope its $300 + a game. $300 on its own is a tough buy.

 

[outunderthestars]

If Zombie U was a ps3 exclusive it would be considered the most generic game ever.
.

It's the Red Steel of the Wii U launch.

 

[zroid]

It's the Red Steel of the Wii U launch.

I don't think it will be, but I'm definitely only cautiously optimistic at this point.

I can see that happening. Zombi U has some interesting ideas and mechanics, but until we see the game outside of demos it's gonna be hard to determine if it will all come together nicely.

 

[Barack Lesnar]

If Zombie U was a ps3 exclusive it would be considered the most generic game ever.

The lineup is okay but the problem is it doesn't have the next gen visual bump that gets you excited for a new console. Its like buying new hardware for games we are already playing. So even in retrospect, the 360s launch wasn't great, you were excited to play PGR3 because it looked better than anything we've seen and even shitty games like Kameo and PDZ were worth playing because of that.

Than you had Gears and Oblivion to look forward to, two games that would really bring in the next gen feeling. Thats my take anyway. I'l

That's a good point. I think the pad might make up for that later on but the launch line-up games will prob just have tacked-on pad features outside of 1st party and a couple multi-plats.

 

[XenodudeX]

If Zombie U was a ps3 exclusive it would be considered the most generic game ever.

Fucking stupid statement if I ever saw one.

You couldn't possibly predict how the game would be perceived if it were on another console. So don't even try.

 

[kittens]

I'm okay with $300. Hope Shane's right.

 

[Orayn]

To be honest, I am not in at launch, as I will wait for a 3D Mario, Zelda, or whatever Retro is working on.

How? People keep calling it generic, but have you actually read how the game works?

Of course not, they're too busy looking for a reason to dismiss it.

 

[metalslimer]

It's the Red Steel of the Wii U launch.

How? Red Steel was a mess and huge downgrade the second we saw actual gameplay of the thing. It's a Ubisoft launch game on a Nintendo platform and that's where the comparison stops.

 

[Glorified G]

Xbox 360 launch.

Project Gotham Racing 3 & Call of Duty 2.

 

[BassForever]

Imagine next holiday season when they can drop wiiu to 250 to compete against probably 400+ ps4/nextbox. 300 is a great price point even if we all expect it.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

The problem with this line-up is that the multi-platform games which all sound like big gets are going to be on par with the 360/PS3 versions, with slight improvements in visuals for a few or tacked-on pad functionality. Now if the Wii U was a 'true' next-gen leap in terms of hardware specs, people wouldn't be ignoring these multi-platform games when discussing the launch line-up. You know what I mean? like my 3 year old pc will probably run all those multi-plats better than the Wii U and have better online functionality. If the Wii U was a full leap technically that wouldn't be the case and i'd definitely be more inclined to purchase these multi-plats for it rather than my PC (or 360/PS3 if i had one).

I don't disagree necessairily. Vita faced a similar problem, it's launch lineup might've blown 3DS launch away, but it wasn't going up against the 3DS launch lineup, it was going up against a superior and matured 3DS lineup with 2nd gen games like RE Revelations, Kid Icarus, Tekken 3D, etc.

Wii U easily has the largest, most diverse, most AAA lineup of any HD console launch (and maybe any console full stop). Problem is, virtually everything can be gotten elsewhere already and Nintendo's own efforts arguably aren't as inspiring as they've been historically.

 

[ASIS]

If Zombie U was a ps3 exclusive it would be considered the most generic game ever.

The lineup is okay but the problem is it doesn't have the next gen visual bump that gets you excited for a new console. Its like buying new hardware for games we are already playing. So even in retrospect, the 360s launch wasn't great, you were excited to play PGR3 because it looked better than anything we've seen and even shitty games like Kameo and PDZ were worth playing because of that.

Than you had Gears and Oblivion to look forward to, two games that would really bring in the next gen feeling. Thats my take anyway.

Correct me if I'm mistaken but people looked forward to Resistance 3 no? That's about as generic a game can get in this generation. But anyway, on to your real post.

I feel like you made some good analysis. That the launch itself is NOT the problem, but its the lack of forecasting that people have trouble with.

 

[Delio]

How? People keep calling it generic, but have you actually read how the game works?

I've come to learn people don't care about the features. They see it first then instantly dismiss it if it doesn't look the way they think it should. Sad because it seems really creative but that's how it is.

 

[Barack Lesnar]

I don't disagree necessairily. Vita faced a similar problem, it's launch lineup might've blown 3DS launch away, but it wasn't going up against the 3DS launch lineup, it was going up against a superior and matured 3DS lineup with 2nd gen games like RE Revelations, Kid Icarus, Tekken 3D, etc.

Wii U easily has the largest, most diverse, most AAA lineup of any HD console launch (and maybe any console full stop). Problem is, virtually everything can be gotten elsewhere already and Nintendo's own efforts arguably aren't as inspiring as they've been historically.

Exactly, if you look at the line-up and ignore the fact that you can get most of the games elsewhere it looks awesome and probably the best 'launch window' line-up ever.

 

[Metallix87]

If it costs $300 the thing is beyond doomed.

... What?!?!?!?

 

[MYE]

^Shit's gonna be AWESOME

 

[Meelow]

Project Gotham Racing 3 & Call of Duty 2.

I will agree on Project Gotham Racing 3 but Call of Duty 2 looked like an Xbox game, the only reason people treat it like a difference is because it was HD, people seem to forget that the difference between 6th gen and 7th gen was SD to HD, their is no difference like that this gen, their is no "Super HD" and that's why it's harder too see, like I said just because we haven't see true next gen graphics on the Wii U yet is because it's focusing on launch which Zombi U actually looks impressive graphically, like I said their is no SD to HD jump with the Wii U to the PS3/360 and just because we haven't seen anything super better yet doesn't mean we won't see it, which it seems like some people are acting like it is.

 

[whalleywhat]

The lineup is okay but the problem is it doesn't have the next gen visual bump that gets you excited for a new console. Its like buying new hardware for games we are already playing. So even in retrospect, the 360s launch wasn't great, you were excited to play PGR3 because it looked better than anything we've seen and even shitty games like Kameo and PDZ were worth playing because of that.

So the WiiU fails for having games people want to play, whereas at the start of this gen people bought garbage because it was shiny and they had new TVs?

I've come to learn people don't care about the features. They see it first then instantly dismiss it if it doesn't look the way they think it should. Sad because it seems really creative but that's how it is.

Ubisoft didn't do themselves any favors with the title.

 

[Devilgunman]

It's very interesting to see how WiiU will do if it actually costs $299 because this is the first time Nintendo sell the most expensive home console on the market compared to its competitors.

 

[Kusagari]

Huh? Let me guess it should be 99 dollars with 2 pack in games.

$250 at most.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

Project Gotham Racing 3 & Call of Duty 2.

Sub HD and better on PC. :3

Wallguy.jpeg

 

[metalslimer]

Nintendo is banking on the hopes that people are tired of this generation and will be looking to get anything this holiday. I think the iPad mini is their biggest threat not the PS3/360.

$250 at most.

Based on? I don't disagree 250 wouldn't be a good price, but why should it be 250. The PS3 is currently 250.

 

[Glorified G]

If it costs $300 the thing is beyond doomed.

Doesn't scream bargain, but it's not over priced either.

Sub HD and better on PC. :3

Wallguy.jpeg

In 2005, that Sub HD looked better than anything on the ps2-gc-xbox.

 

[DR2K]

Horrible launch line up won't justify the price tag. $100 too much regardless. I can wait a few months.

 

[Kai Dracon]

I think anyone who was expecting $250 + something like a pack-in game was very much mislead, and/or bought in to that "LOL WII U IS 2005 TECH IT SHOULD BE 99 BUCKS" nonsense.

I expected $300, but *with* Nintendoland turned into a pack-in game. I think Nintendo would be very misguided to forgo a pack-in after the Wii. Wii U has to appeal equally to hardcore gamers, and everybody else.

If it's $300 with no pack-in or any other kind of special incentive, then it's a bit much / presented wrong.

Of course, the hitch may be that Nintendoland requires an m+ wiimote for some of its games, so Nintendo would have to be packing in a wiimote + game.

It is always possible they'll go hardcore old school and pack in NSMB U. Now that would be something to see.

 

[Delio]

So the WiiU fails for having games people want to play, whereas at the start of this gen people bought garbage because it was shiny and they had new TVs?



Ubisoft didn't do themselves any favors with the title.

I'm curious of what title would make people look at it.

 

[NintenDOMG]

I'm expecting at least 399.99$ and on November 18th 2012.

 

[MYE]

If Zombie U was a ps3 exclusive it would be considered the most generic game ever.

Can you elaborate?
Cause I'm pretty sure it wouldnt. Hell, through in the magic words "Demon's Souls inspired" and PS3 users would turn it into an upcoming sacred cow.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

^Shit's gonna be AWESOME

Y u do dat?

Spoiler

hype

 

[Ushojax]

The launch line up is excellent. I think people forget just how shit most launch windows are, yes Wii U has some old ports but a lot of people who only owned a Wii will not have been able to play them. The exudives all seem to be of a high quality.

 

[richman555]

Here is my Wii U pricing synopsis -

$199 - Great! Throws down money.
$249 - Ok!
$300 - Hmm ok "grumble grumble"...
$350 - Puts foot down. I will wait until a price drop.

 

[Criminal Upper]

^Shit's gonna be AWESOME

No stop it. This awesome picture will ruin the hate fest.

 

[Spieler Eins]

I hope Nintendoland is not a pack-in. I don't even want to own this thing for free.

The lineup is okay but the problem is it doesn't have the next gen visual bump that gets you excited for a new console. Its like buying new hardware for games we are already playing. So even in retrospect, the 360s launch wasn't great, you were excited to play PGR3 because it looked better than anything we've seen and even shitty games like Kameo and PDZ were worth playing because of that.

Than you had Gears and Oblivion to look forward to, two games that would really bring in the next gen feeling. Thats my take anyway.

Wii didn't have the visual bump, but it was still exciting and feeling like the next step. This time, it was a shitty, mishandled E3 at all fronts. They didn't sell the controller, Pikmin will in fact keep superior Wiimote controls. The biggest problem though is that you do not know what's coming in the future. The launch lineup is good, but it doesn't matter if you do not have any kind of confidence about what's coming beyond. Knowing Nintendo, the ,,launch window'' games might very well be spread into 2013 until next E3.
Iwatas final event before the launch for the console in Fall better be a blast. And if it is, it's even clearer that Reggie and his whole NoA marketing crew need to be replaced already.

 

[whalleywhat]

I'm curious of what title would make people look at it.

I'm just saying, it's 1) another zombie game 2) with a title manages to be both generic and stupid. If you've paid any attention to the game, you can see that it's unique and interesting, (and that there's a legacy which sort of justifies the title) but it's already digging itself out of a hole at that point.

 

[ZombiePlatypus]

Exactly, if you look at the line-up and ignore the fact that you can get most of the games elsewhere it looks awesome and probably the best 'launch window' line-up ever.

Well yeah, anything can be great if you willingly ignore its glaring weaknesses. Multi-plat games for me are not system sellers. Especially when said multi-plat games exist on consoles I already own. Honestly though if a lot of you out there are sold and excited for the system, then good for you. I'll personally have to wait a bit till they build on the library some more.

 

[MYE]

I hope Nintendoland is not a pack-in. I don't even want to own this thing for free.

The hell? :/
At least try it?

Eh, time to go watch a movie or something. I think I'm gonna go play Project Zero 2

 

[Kacho]

^Shit's gonna be AWESOME

I can't wait to play that tomorrow. The wait is killing me!

 

[Delio]

I'm just saying, it's 1) another zombie game 2) with a title manages to be both generic and stupid. If you've paid any attention to the game, you can see that it's unique and interesting, (and that there's a legacy which sort of justifies the title) but it's already digging itself out of a hole at that point.

True it's another Zombie game. Like I said though people dont like paying attention.