CyclopsRock
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So basically, the BBC Announcer lied when he said
"All will be revealed"??
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Sherlock Series 3 |OT| - THE Source for Fictions Cheekbone Fetish
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liked the episode and very glad to have it back
did find the direction a bit tacky though. the motorbike chase scene especially. also not a huge fan of the show reflexively commenting on its own fandom so much.
the stuff between holmes and watson was superb. cumberbatch is so ridiculously good.
did find the direction a bit tacky though. the motorbike chase scene especially. also not a huge fan of the show reflexively commenting on its own fandom so much.
the stuff between holmes and watson was superb. cumberbatch is so ridiculously good.
thestopsign
Member
Was I the only one who thought that was utterly terrible? The mystery was paper thin, most of the scenes were forced awkwardness, and it felt like the show was just trying to troll its fans as hard as possible because they can.
Yeah the main plot was pretty much nothing just the framing for the comeback, the reconciliation and the setup for the rest of the season. I think they went a wee bit too hard on the trolling as it ate up a fair bit of screen time. I'd assume the old guy is
Professor Moriarty, Jim's dad, looking for revenge.
Ape Gone Insane
Member
The tackiness of Doctor Who slowly seeping into Sherlock.
Zomba13
Member
Not really.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/keyfacts/stories/licencefee2.shtml
Now, obviously that is in regards to people in the UK and not abroad.
Deaf Spacker
Memb
It was worth the two year wait
One thing, am I meant to know who Molly's boyfriend is? I got the very obvious resemblance but am I missing something?
but the terrorist attack plot, especially when Sherlock turned the bomb off so easily felt a bit rushed and I think that there were too many references to the fans.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
Well, I didn't hate it as most of you seemed to. I think it was probably Gatiss' strongest episode, though I guess that isn't saying much.
VanquishUK
Member
Moriarty: "That's your weakness. You always want everything to be clever."
I thought it did a neat job of explaining how he did it and simultaneously using Anderson as what the audience would think.
What, was that it? was basically cleverly answering the responses to how he did it. It wasn't some great party piece.
-Didn't explain that very well rereading it. Our expectations will never be met on that one is how I see it.
Overall a good episode, not the best but a very solid and welcome return.
Excellent from Freeman and Cumberbatch, interesting side character developments but agree the overall thread could have been more engaging.
However I don't think the overall thread is the meat of the episode, the introduction to the characters is.
And good stuff it was.
What, was that it? was basically cleverly answering the responses to how he did it. It wasn't some great party piece.
The Squash ball was the bit everyone missed; I liked that
-Didn't explain that very well rereading it. Our expectations will never be met on that one is how I see it.
Overall a good episode, not the best but a very solid and welcome return.
Excellent from Freeman and Cumberbatch, interesting side character developments but agree the overall thread could have been more engaging.
However I don't think the overall thread is the meat of the episode, the introduction to the characters is.
And good stuff it was.
ScreenSplitter
Member
So much salt. Thought it was fantastic.
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NinjaFridge
Unconfirmed Member
The terror attack mystery? It was irrelevant to the story, it didn't matter. It was just there to set up various conversations and shit like that.
She doesn't get the very obvious resemblance
I really didn't expect anything else to be honest. Moffat and Gatiss aren't that clever in terms of plotting, and the whole mystery took a life of it's own given the gap between series. There's only so many ways it could have went down, and that was probably the most obvious and cod realistic.
Given the build up, it was probably a given they'd have to try to diffuse it and given they chose to go real time with the gap there was always going have to spend a lot of time setting up the reset. A stronger mystery framing the episode would have been far better, but they needed something threatening enough to bring Sherlock back (which could have been avoided if they ignored the two year gap or significantly reduced it, they could have just said Sherlock's name had been cleared following a police investigation and have him reappear without half as much drama), which limited them a fair bit in terms of macguffins. Although the mystery they went done was particularly weak, I mean who wasn't immediately getting the meaning of Underground Network when the train guy appeared?
It felt like a huge waste given we only get 3 episodes. This might take the place of the weaker middle episode. Hopefully.
Of course it's difficult to live up to two-years of anticipation, but I enjoyed myself watching it.
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Clearly it was an episode to get the gang back together. It didn't have a strong mystery or story at all. Still, I loved many of the character moments, and am simply happy to have it back.
bet so did Fiction...
Clearly it was an episode to get the gang back together. It didn't have a strong mystery or story at all. Still, I loved many of the character moments, and am simply happy to have it back.
Deaf Spacker
Memb
Yeah I got that, I'm probably looking into it too much.
ScreenSplitter
Member
It's always a laugh when people think the solution is simple or stupid but have no reasonable alternatives to offer up.
He's not great at plotting but he does get some of the interactions between characters pretty well. Overuses comedy and the whole reintroduction was far too slapstick.
Fully expected people to moan about the episode. The worst thing that can happen to a show is hype because people use it as a platform to form their own expectations and strop when they aren't met.
The terror plot was an afterthought and I was personally disappointed we didn't get a firm revelation about the faked death. But the character interactions were superb. Such a great cast.
The terror plot was an afterthought and I was personally disappointed we didn't get a firm revelation about the faked death. But the character interactions were superb. Such a great cast.
That 'love' was a spelling mistake not a condescending remark, sorry. It was meant to be 'live', and to watch it live you absolutely do need a TV Licence. And to be in the UK.
thequickandthedead
Member
I haven't watched a single episode of Sherlock. Is it alright if i start from S3? I always assumed each episode would be kinda standalone.
Honestly I didn't think this episode was any good. I still enjoyed it. Mostly thanks to the chemistry between Freeman and Cumberbatch. But I feel that its getting a bit too silly for its own good. I'm also starting to hate the long self wankery shots of Sherlock looking plottingly into the distance.
thestopsign
Member
I agree that the initial idea of having the conspiracy theory nut try and explain the mystery was a clever way to diffuse the tension built up around how he "did" it. I thought the first time was cool, the second time was fine but pushing it, and then the third time was just me uttering to myself "really..." while staring in dismay at the lack of self control they had writing this episode. It seems the buildup and fame the show has garnered went to the writers' heads and they were just running a victory lap.
It may have been my setup in watching this on a shitty JVC TV, but the character scenes didn't do much for me, and as you said, without the strong framing mystery the show sort of fell apart in my mind. Hopefully once they are more focused in the next two episodes the show will get back to tight pacing and unpredictability (to some extent at least).
Definitely not.
You could maybe start with S2. But S3E1 is just nodding and winking (and making fun of) established fans.
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NinjaFridge
Unconfirmed Member
You'd be doing yourself disservice if you didn't watch S1 & S2. They'll also help you better understand the relationships between the characters.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
Great episode, though the main plot line was very weak. Sherlock was in full troll mode. Lestrade's meeting was great. Mrs Hudson and Freeman was hilarious. Anderson's scene was incredible. Did not disappoint.
thequickandthedead
Member
How long is each episode?
VanquishUK
Member
I think they were trolling the fanatics, not the fans.
Not really, normally yes but this episode was completely interconnected with previous events. I'd go so far to say it just wouldn't work as a standalone at all without at least watching the last episode of S2. You'd be able to follow it and it does press a massive reset button, but there would be little weight to it, you need to see the end of the episode to suffer some of the smugness about explanations and cod theories this episode throws in your face.
Completely agree with that, the episode was incredibly smug.
I don't care about the 'explanation' being clever or mindblowing etc... I'm not somebody who was disappointed because the last episode of LOST didn't reveal an amazing blueprint to explain everything perfectly. I just wanted a good story. This was not a good story.
ScreenSplitter
Member
I mean some people thought they'd use the fear gas from Baskervilles, would that have been better?
honeymustardn
Member
This is correct but in theory you can just pause it for 5 seconds and resume (so you're 5 seconds behind live television).
BlazingDarkness
Member
The problem was that nothing really happened. Which is kinda unforgivable when one 'series' is just three episodes.
Baldwin_the_First
Member
C'mon EZ! Work faster!! I want my Sherlock Holmes fix before I go to bed tongiht.
The Blu-Rays and DVDs are ridiculously high price, 40$ for 3 episodes a season. Damn. I'm 80$ less rich, now.
The Blu-Rays and DVDs are ridiculously high price, 40$ for 3 episodes a season. Damn. I'm 80$ less rich, now.
i do think there's an element of undeserved smugness yeah. i think it's kinda lame to spend the episode mocking people who theorize over the mystery of sherlock's death when you were responsible for making a gimmicky mystery such a core part of the series.
if it doesn't really matter then they shouldn't have written it in, instead of going loool got you sillies
i really liked how they handled the characters responses to sherlock faking his death then returning, which made up the core of the episode with the case as a little diversion, i just don't care one iota about how it happened and wish they didn't relish in it so much
if it doesn't really matter then they shouldn't have written it in, instead of going loool got you sillies
i really liked how they handled the characters responses to sherlock faking his death then returning, which made up the core of the episode with the case as a little diversion, i just don't care one iota about how it happened and wish they didn't relish in it so much
Ravensmash
Member
I dunno, I'm a newcomer (seen a few here and there) and I enjoyed it thoroughly.
It did a good job of establishing the previous events I think.
VanquishUK
Member
People are so sensitive.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
Yeah I don't think it was mocking people in any serious fashion. Just having a bit of fun.
ScreenSplitter
Member
If you're someone who thought he would swoop in through a window and snog Molly you deserve to be mocked. Thoroughly.