Episode was ok, but i'm not sure i like where this show is going. All detective work seems to be shoe-horned and put there in the last moment. I want real mysteries and detective stuff, not some random small puzzles for Sherlock to solve. Also, as much as i like Watson, this show is called Sherlock.
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Sherlock Series 3 |OT| - THE Source for Fictions Cheekbone Fetish
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NekoFever
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Also deserves credit for generating complaints to the BBC about references to sex with a paving slab in a family show.
RobotNinjaHornets
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But then loses that credit by...you know, having references to sex with a paving slab.
That's a fair point. I seem to remember them doing that in a previous series (might be wrong) and it's a neat enough way of doing things once, but it should really only be once.
NekoFever
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You're so conservative.
RobotNinjaHornets
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That's genuinely the biggest insult you could use on me :C
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
One thing I will criticise about this episode is that at times it reminded me of Dr. Who. That seems to constantly harp on about how brilliant and wonderful the doctor is. This did the same with Sherlock and to some extent, John.
Also, to people complaining that this is filler: we haven't seen the last episode so we don't know how it connects to anything yet. Personally I would have preferred one 'regular' episode in between these two because right now it is so sudden how Sherlock is back into John's life and we have barely seen Mary.
Also, to people complaining that this is filler: we haven't seen the last episode so we don't know how it connects to anything yet. Personally I would have preferred one 'regular' episode in between these two because right now it is so sudden how Sherlock is back into John's life and we have barely seen Mary.
These are my thoughts too, there's no suspense or thrill..no proper build up for the villain., the narrative structure is very uneven. And they've only got one more episode and then we've got to wait like 2 more years again, they've wasted too much time on mundane stuff considering they only have 3 episodes to show.
Beaniedude
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I really enjoyed the episode.
Really really enjoyed it.
I thought it was touching.
Though the stag night scene went on for a while. But other than that I loved it.
Really really enjoyed it.
I thought it was touching.
Though the stag night scene went on for a while. But other than that I loved it.
Well, it's not physical comedy (by virtue of, uh, being audio), but...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabin_Pressure_%28radio_series%29
Ragnarsson
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Loving this season so far. And I can only guess that the finale will be much darker in tone - these two episodes built up perfectly for that. I hope we don't have to wait until 2016 for season 4.
User 100115
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Yep.
Also, people who are hating on the character focus of this season...Sherlock was dead for two years. He went through a lot during that time. If he had just seamlessly integrated back into his previous life, it would be unrealistic. They have to show how hard this is for him. Everyone has moved on. He paused, and they all moved forward. Which really sucks for him since he changed emotionally so much.
Yes but you have to realise that they only have three episodes and it's another break for maybe two years after this, so having that storyline about Sherlock having to deal with everyone moving on for more than 50% of the duration of the season is kind of a drag.
User 100115
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I thought they were balancing it out rather well :/ I am sorry.
I mean, they did weave a lot of cases into this last episode (which is fleshed out further by the blog), when they could have focused entirely on the character development.
Maybe it's because I've been waiting so long for Sherlock to come back, and Elementary has A LOT of 'monster/case of week' episodes and I really dislike those types of shows. (I need to catch up on Elementary, so don't spoil me if they've changed this recently )
After last week's disappointing season opener, this week is pretty okay I think.
Sherlock's cases in the previous seasons are more like mysteries to me, they're intriguing. Elementary's cases on the other hand are more normal police cases, which can be fun but are not what I would call a mystery. Anyway, you should catch up on Elementary, there's a huge development on the characters on the latest episodes
Sherlock's cases in the previous seasons are more like mysteries to me, they're intriguing. Elementary's cases on the other hand are more normal police cases, which can be fun but are not what I would call a mystery. Anyway, you should catch up on Elementary, there's a huge development on the characters on the latest episodes
User 100115
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After last week's disappointing season opener, this week is pretty okay I think.
Sherlock's cases in the previous seasons are more like mysteries to me, they're intriguing. Elementary's cases on the other hand are more normal police cases, which can be fun but are not what I would call a mystery. Anyway, you should catch up on Elementary, there's a huge development on the characters on the latest episodes
I hate procedurals, so the fact that Elementary hooked me at all speaks volumes for how decent a show it is
. Or my love for all things Sherlock has scaled my eyes. Whatever! Hee.Yeah I am going to catch up, just been a bit lazy.
bodyofanamerican
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I read about who played/what they did with Moriarty in season one of Elementary, and I sort of cringed. Was it handled better in execution?
If I was being patronizing its because I was addressing the general sentiment of "its shit" "its fan fiction" "its for the internet" "its masturbatory" being "the direction the show is taking now". As though future seasons are just going to be them sitting around drinking tea, cracking jokes, and jerking each other off.
I have a feeling that by the time season 5 and 6 come and go, "the wedding episode where Sherlock makes drunk deductions" will feel like just a brief respite from the seriousness of Reichenbach and (I presume) this season's finale.
The writers are using their economy of screentime by laying the foundation for these character's relationships and giving us a time when they "had it good". Versus "John sees Sherlock is alive and gets over it" and "John and Mary meet and get married" being plot points that are over with in 5 minutes each.
Hey, if that's how he gets his rocks off...
Night Hunter
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With all the Sherlock is about to be lonely themes in this episode do you think that maybe Irene Adler will come back for episode 3? Or was it just a cameo like Moriarty in episode 1?
metalslimer
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Wait are they really skipping another 2 years between series? I realize they are busy but it cant be that much time for filming these episodes..
zombie irene
a secret-boss
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The only thing that bothered me was they never show the guy @ the end of episode 1. To build up the guy or villain
SpacePirate Ridley
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I loved, loved, loved this episode. It was emotional, and I was laughing during the whole thing.
Great slice of life episode. In Feb will come the hard stuff.
Great slice of life episode. In Feb will come the hard stuff.
Exterminieren
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We don't know exact dates, but it's probably going to be a while. Freeman's the face of a billion-dollar movie franchise, and Cumberbatch is getting cast in every bit of Oscar-bait going. They'll clear time in their schedules, but getting everyone synchronised will take months, if not years.
Night Hunter
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Did you miss the last minute of A Scandal in Belgravia?
bodyofanamerican
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What was the lapse between Season 2 and 3? S2 filmed in late 2011, aired in early 2012, no? So maybe they come back in 2015...ahh shit. Yeah, it's gonna be a while.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Irene should come back for a booty call.
Come on guys, it's gonna happen.
Sherlock: The Sitcom
Sherlock's ex-girlfriend blows back into town and throws everything into a tizzy!
Come on guys, it's gonna happen.
Sherlock: The Sitcom
Sherlock's ex-girlfriend blows back into town and throws everything into a tizzy!
Night Hunter
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Well, if she does come back then I would think as Magnussens henchwoman. He likes secrets, she is good at, lets call it "extracting" secrets. Perfect match ...
Me too. Definitely line of the episode.
I enjoyed this more than last week's for sure. Great to see a bit of Irene too. I do hope she comes back at some point.
Finally watched the show and caught up in the thread. I didn't like the episode at first. It felt rushed and disjointed. But I watched it a second time and really enjoyed it.
Does anyone know what Mycroft meant when he asked Sherlock if he remembered Redbeard? The only thing I found through searching online is a blogger theorizing that it could be a childhood pet which was my first guess too but I was just wondering if Redbeard was some obscure figure from British history.
Does anyone know what Mycroft meant when he asked Sherlock if he remembered Redbeard? The only thing I found through searching online is a blogger theorizing that it could be a childhood pet which was my first guess too but I was just wondering if Redbeard was some obscure figure from British history.
In another episode, can't remember which, Mycroft said when he was younger Sherlock wanted to be a pirate.
bodyofanamerican
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Yep, and thus these relationships he has with John, Mary and everyone will be a passing fancy, just like that was.
PhoncipleBone
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If anyone is going to die next episode, I am thinking Mycroft. It would be awful for Watson to just finish grieving for Sherlock and then lose Mary. Sherlock needs a loss, and Mycroft would be it.
That makes sense thanks. I was thinking More along the lines of Sherlock losing a pet that he was overly attached to. Maybe a parrot
GentlemanCrow
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If you replace "shoe-horned" with "integral to the plot". The whole thing was a massive puzzle. There were at least three threads that came together to inform the deduction - each one seemingly unrelated until they are scrutinized. If you ask me that is a sign a damn good Sherlock episode.
I'm starting to think that people aren't so much bothered by the deductions and are more bothered that there wasn't any London-porn in this episode. It doesn't look/feel like the previous episodes and is therefore wrong. Which is of course ridiculous.
They are trying some knew stuff, they got us to care about these characters over the last few series and now they are making use of that. The last season went to pretty bleak places and this more character focus series feels right to me. It's not like it compromises the past, that stuff is still there and they are going to do more series after this one. Shaking up the formula is what confident, competant shows do well.
The deductions and mysteries don't feel at all compromised by the episodes to my mind. In fact I think this was one of the better mysteries they have had. If people want a straight detective show there are plenty of generic alternatives.
Elementary, Thursdays at 10pm on CBS
You know, something awful has happened to this thread. Instead of people happily getting along and expressing differing opinions, the thread has developed into an unpleasant experience where anyone who dares criticise the show "clearly isn't fan enough" or "should just watch a different show if they prefer straight-up detective shows".
Practically everyone in this thread is a Sherlock fan, so clearly they are perfectly aware that it's not CSI or whatever other suggestions have been offered.
All those that loved the last episode should be happy and not question the "fan-ness" of those that didn't enjoy it for whatever reasons.
Practically everyone in this thread is a Sherlock fan, so clearly they are perfectly aware that it's not CSI or whatever other suggestions have been offered.
All those that loved the last episode should be happy and not question the "fan-ness" of those that didn't enjoy it for whatever reasons.
Ratings and such are always behind the curve of the trajectory of the show itself. Don't be surprised if we get another season, if ratings drop because of the current season. 'Still generating critical acclaim' is a big of a generalization, people aren't starting to complain out of nowhere for no reason.
Not aimed at you specifically but It's pretty childish of people to chastise others for not enjoying the current direction when everyone in this thread is at least a fan of the show.
This doesn't mean that I enjoyed it any more in the books either. It seemed as if they were going a bit of a different direction with this show, and I would have applauded them for that as it wasn't a good idea in the first place to make Sherlock the lesser of the two brothers instead of making them brilliant in different ways.
tomato shrub
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If you want generic sitcoms theres even more alternatives, no need to pretend this was a good series of Sherlock.
Actual great episodes had more chara development and still all the funny stuff alongside mysteries and more. These last 3 hours were nothing but tiresome ,,lighthearted fun'' which can be funny but is in no way good enough to fill that much time. They now even ruined some jokes (forgetting Greg) Even worse when only one proper ep is left.
I doubt that big of a gap, seeing as Freeman is now done most of his filming for the Hobbit trilogy, which was the thing that got in the way last time.
Probably just a year gap like the first to second series, unless Cumberbatch's schedule (seeing as he's in so many things now) interferes.
You misunderstand. I dont think people dismiss any and all criticism of this show out of hand.
Thats because what's happening in this thread isn't criticism of the writing or performances (there WAS actual dismissal of the directing), its whining about "the direction the show is taking" "going downhill" etc. All because they dont have the patience to sit through 90 minutes with NO MURDERS! That damn Watson prevented both of them! Almost as if the theme of the episode was "Sherlock Holmes will solve your case but John Watson will save your life". God forbid Watson get a character driven episode mostly to himself, being that he's half of the show.